[文法] 詞典中"consider"的用法

看板Eng-Class作者 (QQ)時間9年前 (2017/02/09 21:36), 9年前編輯推噓3(3推 0噓 33→)
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大家好，請教一下 1.在OALD9看到這樣的解釋： fable noun [countable, uncountable] a traditional short story that teaches a moral lesson, especially one with animals as characters; these stories considered as a group 想問的是"these stories considered as a group"，為何中間沒有加be動詞"are"呢？ 2. 同樣是OALD9，consider的用法： consider somebody/something + adj. 例句：Consider yourself lucky you weren't fired. 想問的是，"you weren't fired."看起來是個名詞子句，但"Consider yourself lucky" 已經沒有位置再放名詞子句了，因此我理解是這樣： Consider yourself lucky (of the fact that) you weren't fired. 中間省略了一個介系詞片語，該名詞子句作此介系詞片語的同位語。 類似I am sure that...的句型。不知是否正確呢？ 以上請教，謝謝！ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 1.160.87.238 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Eng-Class/M.1486647414.A.45B.html
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1. 辭典裡對名詞的解釋通常是使用另一個名詞/名詞片
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語 所以當然不會是主詞+動詞的句型
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(前半部也沒動詞啊 大大)
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K大您好，我認為前半部和後半部的狀況是不一樣的。 前半部： a traditional short story that teaches a moral lesson... 固然也是一個名詞片語加形容詞子句，但就算把形容詞子句的部分拿掉，就是： a traditional short story，這對應fable是有解釋效果的。 但後半部： these stories considered as a group. 先改寫為子句形式:these stories that are considered as a group. 再把形容詞子句的部分拿掉，就是：these stories 這對應fable就說不通了吧？ 以上一點看法，還請指正，謝謝。 ※ 編輯: scju (1.160.87.238), 02/09/2017 22:54:26
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02/09 23:05, , 4F
我總覺得these stories considered as a group... 這句應該
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沒講完
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喔對不起沒錯
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K大已經給了正解
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W大能不能再多說一點 難道翻成中文是「被視為同一群體的這些故事」，感覺好怪orz ※ 編輯: scju (1.160.87.238), 02/09/2017 23:21:30
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these stories就是分號前的a story 分號左右分別對
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應到方括號裡的可數/不可數兩種用法
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字典順順讀就對了 平常課本教的文法是適用於"文章"
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字典這種文本會簡化一點
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"these stories...."是進一步補充/說明分號前頭的內容。
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these stories are considered as a group
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不是 a fable is these stories that are ....(X)
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為了節省空間發展出來的語法:
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http://tinyurl.com/jgydygl (字典相當於那個 instru....
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其實我是想說these stories的story就是前面的a stor
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y...anyway, 分號後頭的內容確實經常是在補充說明前
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頭的內容 但這裡"these stories..."確實沒有說明更
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深 只是在說明不可數用法(...as a group)
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consider yourself lucky= you are lucky that 過去
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式（ to have……）MWALD
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後面子句受lucky adj.支配
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1就是說語法形式上單數，意義概念上可以是指一個故事
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C；或是一羣故事的集合UC
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你的字典進一步查 lucky 有你說的I am sure that...的
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這種句型用法 http://tinyurl.com/hq47whg
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lucky=having, bringing or resulting from good luc
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k(chance) 字義本身有因果內涵，that子句(因)可視作c
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hance同位語。相當it chanced that 事件(主語)
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2.大概就類似你的簡化方式：Consider yourself lucky
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(in/with the fact that) you weren't fired.
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02/10 22:48, , 33F
不過字典裡也有列lucky (that)...，代表that子句描述
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的事情是幸運的，代表這樣的用法是常見的，我們通常把
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這種東西叫句型。當然你可以把它當文法的範疇，因為文
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法本來就是把語言習慣整理成一套規則。
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