[文法] 2/28期 Time雜誌的一句話

看板Eng-Class作者 (to be what i want to be)時間15年前 (2011/02/28 19:41), 編輯推噓13(13推 0噓 35→)
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請問一句話的文法: Republicants must deliver the kind of deep reductions they say were negligently absent from Obama's propsal. (如果我的解釋有問題，可以的話請推文告知，謝謝!!) 我的解釋是:這句話明顯的省略了關代， 可是我填不回去省略的位置。 希望有大大可以幫忙還原一下。 非常感謝^^ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 219.70.190.40
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02/28 19:44, , 1F
把that或which填在reduction後面
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02/28 19:44, , 2F
the kind of deep reduction WHICH they say...
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謝謝兩位，可是我想要請問這邊的that/which算是當主詞
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02/28 19:49, , 4F
也可以省略嗎?謝謝
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02/28 20:12, , 5F
當which/that取代主詞時不能省略
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02/28 20:13, , 6F
對
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02/28 20:15, , 7F
sorry, 我說錯了，BBMak大說的才對
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02/28 20:22, , 8F
我的認知這邊的關代是當主詞，有錯誤嗎?
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02/28 20:26, , 9F
這裡的確是當主詞。原句:(1)Republicans must deliver the
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kind of reduction. (2)The reduction were neligently
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absent from Obama's proposal. 原本關代是不該省略的，只
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02/28 20:28, , 12F
因又再插入了"they say"，所以省略掉了。
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02/28 23:43, , 13F
樓上說的不對哦，2) 應該是 they say the reduction were.
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02/28 23:44, , 14F
這句which (that)省不省略都可以。這裡的關代同時也是後面
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02/28 23:45, , 15F
形容詞子句(they say the reduction..)中的that 子句的主.
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詞
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例如，這是我希望能夠幫助你的提議. This is the offer..
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which I hope will will help you.
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原句 2) i hope the offer will help you.
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更正:will一個就好
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原po會看不出來，是因為從子句主詞的位置拿掉，你和前面..
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分離不出來子句的關係而搞混了
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民主黨必須實現他們宣稱歐巴馬提案所忽略的減免。
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reduction-> reductions neligently->negligently
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"省略"的關代是主詞("they say"只是插入語)，技術性上來說
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那個that(/which)不該省略(... reductions that they say
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.....)，但是這種寫法也有(簡單說，這是習慣用法，稍微解
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釋一下的話是因為中間插入一些字的關係造成的誤判，然後就
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習慣成自然) 我好像有整理過，我找找....
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03/01 00:19, , 30F
這裡的that (which)該不該省略，我也忘了是否有什麼前置條
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dunchee.blogspot.com/2008/07/blog-post_8409.html
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件，反正口語中這很常見，不加關代，也不加that子句的that
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d大所謂的they say是插入語是說 , they say, 嗎?
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※ 編輯: denise7023 來自: 219.70.190.40 (03/01 00:26)
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This is the girl we believe is pregnent. 原po弄混就是
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believe is怎麼會兩個動詞連在一起?
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1) This is the girl 2) We believe the girl is pregnant
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謝謝以上各位的推文，我正在慢慢閱讀中...
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也謝謝d大的指證關於拼字錯誤。
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03/01 07:46, , 39F
which不行 要用that jsyk~
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樓上是說reduction後的which嗎? 我想不出為什麼不能用that
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不確定時，全部省略就最保險了
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恩 在reductions後不能用which 因為reductions前面有the
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樓上有沒有記錯，我google的答案是只能用that的情況是
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1) 先行詞同時人與物 2)先行詞有最高級adj 3) 先行詞有序
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數 the only/the same/xxxxthing 4)由wh開頭的疑問句
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3) 的xxxxthing 改成 no any all every 之類的
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重點是the *kind* of reductions that (do xx) 就不能用
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which 有the跟kind...that的短語就不能改成which
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