Re: [新聞] Louis C.K.被五名女性指控性騷擾

看板EAseries作者 (joey)時間6年前 (2017/11/11 08:15), 編輯推噓45(48推 3噓 158→)
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※ 引述《joey0602 (joey)》之銘言： : 紐約時報 : https://goo.gl/VkuXnC : 太震驚了… : 五人都是喜劇圈的女演員或工作人員… : 剛剛HBO已宣布把他的喜劇撤除。不知道網飛怎麼處理，買了很多他的喜劇秀欸… Louis C.K. 承認了… 回應全文登在紐約時報 https://goo.gl/Q5cmiW Louis C.K. Responds to Accusations: ‘These Stories Are True’ The complete statement from Louis C.K. appears below: I want to address the stories told to The New York Times by five women named A bby, Rebecca, Dana, Julia who felt able to name themselves and one who did not . These stories are true. At the time, I said to myself that what I did was O.K. because I never showed a woman my dick without asking first, which is also tr ue. But what I learned later in life, too late, is that when you have power ov er another person, asking them to look at your dick isn’t a question. It’s a predicament for them. The power I had over these women is that they admired m e. And I wielded that power irresponsibly. I have been remorseful of my action s. And I’ve tried to learn from them. And run from them. Now I’m aware of th e extent of the impact of my actions. I learned yesterday the extent to which I left these women who admired me feeling badly about themselves and cautious around other men who would never have put them in that position. I also took a dvantage of the fact that I was widely admired in my and their community, whic h disabled them from sharing their story and brought hardship to them when the y tried because people who look up to me didn’t want to hear it. I didn’t th ink that I was doing any of that because my position allowed me not to think a bout it. There is nothing about this that I forgive myself for. And I have to reconcile it with who I am. Which is nothing compared to the task I left them with. I wish I had reacted to their admiration of me by being a good example t o them as a man and given them some guidance as a comedian, including because I admired their work. The hardest regret to live with is what you’ve done to hurt someone else. And I can hardly wrap my head around the scope of hurt I brought on them. I’d be remiss to exclude the hurt that I’ve brought on people who I work with and h ave worked with who’s professional and personal lives have been impacted by a ll of this, including projects currently in production: the cast and crew of B etter Things, Baskets, The Cops, One Mississippi, and I Love You, Daddy. I dee ply regret that this has brought negative attention to my manager Dave Becky w ho only tried to mediate a situation that I caused. I’ve brought anguish and hardship to the people at FX who have given me so much The Orchard who took a chance on my movie. and every other entity that has bet on me through the year s. I’ve brought pain to my family, my friends, my children and their mother. I have spent my long and lucky career talking and saying anything I want. I wi ll now step back and take a long time to listen. Thank you for reading. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 115.82.98.81 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/EAseries/M.1510359318.A.AFF.html
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11/11 08:54, 6年前 , 1F
第二段看完有種"都是they的錯"的感覺
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11/11 08:55, 6年前 , 2F
這稿子鐵定找人潤過，從頭到尾都沒道歉，根本藉口王理由伯
11/11 08:55, 2F
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11/11 09:32, 6年前 , 3F
第二段裡面他真實承認承認每一件事啊，想請問是哪
11/11 09:32, 3F
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11/11 09:32, 6年前 , 4F
一句話是在找理由？
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11/11 09:40, 6年前 , 5F
承認但不道歉啊！都是別人仰慕他所以他才這樣做
11/11 09:40, 5F
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11/11 09:40, 6年前 , 6F
這就是幫自己的行為找理由和藉口啊
11/11 09:40, 6F
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11/11 09:48, 6年前 , 7F
感覺像怪到自己地位上 很像鄉民以為自己有$$$ 就可以對
11/11 09:48, 7F
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11/11 09:49, 6年前 , 8F
女人亂來一樣
11/11 09:49, 8F
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11/11 09:51, 6年前 , 9F
突然都站出來了
11/11 09:51, 9F
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11/11 10:18, 6年前 , 10F
多虧了紐時把韋恩斯坦爆了。現在形成的輿論才讓受害者
11/11 10:18, 10F
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11/11 10:18, 6年前 , 11F
敢講出來
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11/11 10:26, 6年前 , 12F
這幾乎是最直白，最深刻且貼切的認錯文了。哪來不道歉了=
11/11 10:26, 12F
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11/11 10:26, 6年前 , 13F
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11/11 10:44, 6年前 , 14F
這哪裡叫作沒道歉？
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11/11 10:49, 6年前 , 15F
還是你覺得他發表聲明稿只要一直重複對不起我錯了
11/11 10:49, 15F
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11/11 10:49, 6年前 , 16F
只要講夠多次 就叫做有道歉 lol
11/11 10:49, 16F
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11/11 10:52, 6年前 , 17F
他的道歉搞就是在描述他當時的選擇和心境，你要說他正視自
11/11 10:52, 17F
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11/11 10:52, 6年前 , 18F
己的錯誤，他確實有。但說道歉？我只覺得他把一切怪在自己
11/11 10:52, 18F
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11/11 10:53, 6年前 , 19F
太成功。
11/11 10:53, 19F
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11/11 10:53, 6年前 , 20F
也就是說若他不成功、沒有這麼多仰慕對象，他也不會掏老二
11/11 10:53, 20F
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11/11 11:01, 6年前 , 21F
老話 honesty is the best policy
11/11 11:01, 21F
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11/11 11:02, 6年前 , 22F
The power I had over these women is that they admired
11/11 11:02, 22F
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11/11 11:04, 6年前 , 23F
國外鄉民也一堆在酸他的聲明連簡單的"I'm sorry"都沒有
11/11 11:04, 23F
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11/11 11:04, 6年前 , 24F
me. And I wielded that power irresponsibly.
11/11 11:04, 24F
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11/11 11:04, 6年前 , 25F
不過大家都說他比史貝西好，至少沒說他要出櫃
11/11 11:04, 25F
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11/11 11:10, 6年前 , 26F
講得好像道歉有用一樣 要找點打也不是找這點吧= =
11/11 11:10, 26F
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11/11 11:10, 6年前 , 27F
不過雖說凱文史貝西的出櫃策略令人不齒，但是看到有人說
11/11 11:10, 27F
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11/11 11:10, 6年前 , 28F
"任何人要是有如同凱文史貝西的身分地位，要出櫃根本不
11/11 11:10, 28F
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11/11 11:10, 6年前 , 29F
是難事"還是會覺得很滑稽...
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11/11 11:11, 6年前 , 30F
The words “I’m sorry” do matter. It is rare that
11/11 11:11, 30F
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11/11 11:11, 6年前 , 31F
people say it without qualification. Hiding behind a
11/11 11:11, 31F
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11/11 11:11, 6年前 , 32F
long analysis is easier. ==> 看到這句話，還滿認同的
11/11 11:11, 32F
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11/11 11:14, 6年前 , 33F
這還真是兩難XD 當貼 long version時，可打為何不貼short
11/11 11:14, 33F
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11/11 11:14, 6年前 , 34F
version。貼short version時，可打為何不貼long version
11/11 11:14, 34F
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11/11 11:14, 6年前 , 35F
反正都有打擊點就對了
11/11 11:14, 35F
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11/11 11:16, 6年前 , 36F
不兩難啊！long version和short version都可以兼顧
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11/11 11:16, 6年前 , 37F
不是長短問題吧，道歉還解釋難免讓人覺得是在找理由
11/11 11:16, 37F
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11/11 11:17, 6年前 , 38F
他大可以把以為那樣做是對的，露鳥前都有先問過那段刪掉
11/11 11:17, 38F
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11/11 11:17, 6年前 , 39F
道歉的時候講這個幹嘛？
11/11 11:17, 39F
還有 130 則推文
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11/11 23:47, 6年前 , 170F
剛好？ 是有多剛好舉三個人來聽聽吧
11/11 23:47, 170F
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11/11 23:52, 6年前 , 171F
所以川普是犯了這些人犯的什麼呢?
11/11 23:52, 171F
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11/12 00:01, 6年前 , 172F
樓上是不知道川普也有一票性騷擾指控嗎…
11/12 00:01, 172F
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11/12 00:03, 6年前 , 173F
真不懂凡談演藝圈的性騷擾問題 就有人會跳出來讚美川
11/12 00:03, 173F
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11/12 00:03, 6年前 , 174F
普很棒是什麼邏輯…
11/12 00:03, 174F
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11/12 00:03, 6年前 , 175F
angellll你的神邏輯每篇都要出現嗎？先是前面篇說批評川
11/12 00:03, 175F
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11/12 00:03, 6年前 , 176F
普的每個人都是性侵犯，然後這篇又說川普真男人？蛤？？
11/12 00:03, 176F
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11/12 00:16, 6年前 , 177F
他會說那些是假新聞
11/12 00:16, 177F
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11/12 00:22, 6年前 , 178F
"矛盾"通常是政治攻防用來攻擊對方的字彙
11/12 00:22, 178F
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11/12 00:24, 6年前 , 179F
也就是A罵B是XXX 但後來A也是XXX 所以B就回罵A也是XXX
11/12 00:24, 179F
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11/12 00:24, 6年前 , 180F
在性侵這樣的議題上
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11/12 00:25, 6年前 , 181F
川普面臨性指控 但聖經帶選民還是投他
11/12 00:25, 181F
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11/12 00:26, 6年前 , 182F
好萊塢罵川普性侵 結果好萊塢也一堆性侵
11/12 00:26, 182F
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11/12 00:26, 6年前 , 183F
所以雙方都有自身的"矛盾"
11/12 00:26, 183F
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11/12 00:27, 6年前 , 184F
差別在於事情爆發後 聖經帶選民還是擁護川普
11/12 00:27, 184F
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11/12 00:27, 6年前 , 185F
但好萊塢對自家人零容忍
11/12 00:27, 185F
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11/12 00:29, 6年前 , 186F
不管如何 這些攻防只是技術上的層次
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11/12 00:30, 6年前 , 187F
如何讓性侵不發生是當急之務
11/12 00:30, 187F
噓
11/12 01:30, 6年前 , 188F
不是我要說，一般的川粉通常還好，但同時是9.2又是川粉的
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11/12 01:30, 6年前 , 189F
人，邏輯通常都很……歡樂
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11/12 03:02, 6年前 , 190F
所以川普性侵了誰 這件事很難搞清楚嗎?
11/12 03:02, 190F
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11/12 03:02, 6年前 , 191F
這才真的是神邏輯摟 倒底川普信侵了誰
11/12 03:02, 191F
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11/12 03:03, 6年前 , 192F
21個CNN的受害者號稱40年前被摸的 全部自己撤訴了
11/12 03:03, 192F
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11/12 03:04, 6年前 , 193F
你跟你死黨的私下談話 等於性侵? 誰是神邏輯阿
11/12 03:04, 193F
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11/12 03:27, 6年前 , 194F
你還是沒舉三個人名出來...你不是說剛好就是這群，講得
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11/12 03:27, 6年前 , 195F
這麼明確那麼三個人名應該不難啊？ 說了好幾天你連自己
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11/12 03:27, 6年前 , 196F
到底在講誰都不知道嗎？
11/12 03:27, 196F
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11/12 05:53, 6年前 , 197F
天使川 這裡不是八卦版那種智障充斥的地方 省省吧
11/12 05:53, 197F
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11/12 06:55, 6年前 , 198F
就這方面來講, 現在共和黨在浪頭上的不是川普, 已經退流行了
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11/12 06:57, 6年前 , 199F
現在夯的是阿拉巴馬的參議員候選人 Roy Moore 的戀/狹童案
11/12 06:57, 199F
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11/12 08:42, 6年前 , 200F
川普出國啦 當然不在浪頭上
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11/12 12:26, 6年前 , 201F
台灣一堆希粉還在崩潰挺好笑的
11/12 12:26, 201F
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11/12 14:39, 6年前 , 202F
樓上的神邏輯跟天使哥一樣 所以你是說勝選=什麼都對???
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11/12 14:40, 6年前 , 203F
也難怪 Louis C.K.會認為是他在那個職位 難免了
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11/12 14:40, 6年前 , 204F
真的是怎樣的人挺怎樣的主子 AHS這季寫的故事在台灣也發
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11/12 14:40, 6年前 , 205F
生了 XD
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11/12 14:47, 6年前 , 206F
這篇看起來明顯律師看過稿子啊，用詞都有選過的感覺.....
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11/12 15:23, 6年前 , 207F
我覺得可以
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11/13 23:54, 6年前 , 208F
Law & Order :SVU 有一集就講這個
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11/14 03:45, 6年前 , 209F
寫得挺好有誠意的,但是不是真心還是別人幫忙就不知道了
11/14 03:45, 209F
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