[選秀]Perry Jones III:鑽石或是瓦礫?

看板Cavaliers作者 (Mr.Vengeance)時間12年前 (2012/04/10 22:26), 編輯推噓22(22064)
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by Chad Ford, ESPN Is Perry Jones III going to be a superstar or a dud? That's the question many NBA GMs are pondering right now. Perry Jones三世究竟會成為超級球星或者無三小路用,現在很多球探都想知道。 Given his A-plus talent and C-minus motor … your guess is as good as any. 考量他A+等級的天分與C-等級的打球動力,兩者皆有可能。 His draft stock has been falling all year as fed-up scouts and GMs feel that he's out of excuses. 隨著對他失望的球探跟總管們覺得他已沒有藉口好找,PJIII的選秀價值下滑。 But there is an interesting subtext to the Jones debate. Are we looking at his game the wrong way? Maybe the reason he struggles to dominate is because he's being asked to play out of position. 但圍繞著他的爭論裡仍有一點值得討論:有沒有可能大家解讀PJIII球賽的角度都有 誤?也許他宰制力不足的原因是被安排在失當的位置上? "He really has the game of a 2-guard or a small forward," one respected NBA GM told ESPN.com. "Baylor used him as a center for the past two years, so you rarely got to see him comfortable. It's like, what if UConn had tr -ied to play Rudy Gay at the 5? I think people would've had a very different opinion of him on draft night." 「他有道地的得分後衛或小前鋒的打法」一位廣受尊敬的總管這麼說「兩年來貝勒 大學把他當中鋒用。就好像假使康乃狄克大學拿Rudy Gay打中鋒會如何?我想等到 選秀那晚人們將對PJIII大大改觀」。 Jones has frustrated scouts since his high school days. He's always had the requisite size, length and athleticism to be an NBA stud. He also has had a fairly advanced perimeter game for a while. He can handle the ball and break guys down off the dribble and has a solid jump shot. He has alw -ays been the team's most willing passer. Had Scott Drew let him run the point, would things have been different? PJIII表現不如預期早在高中就開始了。他有足以在NBA安身立命的體型、身高和機動 力,外圍火力一度還有顯著進步。他能用運球技術或犀利跳投打敗防守者,一直以來 也都是全隊最不吝於分享球的選手。倘若Scott Drew教頭讓它控球,情況會有所不同 嗎? Scouts have focused on Jones' perceived lack of toughness. He doesn't block shots. He shies away from contact. He floats a lot out on the perimeter. It's rare to see him aggressively take control in the paint. Those are all things that elite 4s do in college. But if he's a wing? The standard may be just a little bit different. 球探聚焦於PJIII的「不夠硬」,他不太蓋鍋、迴避肢體碰撞、喜歡外圍遊走,鮮少看 見積極打進籃下控制禁區,上述都是大學頂級PF的責任……但假設他是側翼呢,標準 恐怕要另外訂。 So what is he? I spoke with an NBA scout last year who had an interesting take. He said NBA scouts should quit trying to project what a player should be and focus on scouting a player based on what the player thinks he is. So,PJIII究竟是?去年某位球探在跟我對談中提出有趣的論點:NBA球探該停止去預 設球員該成為那個位置,而是以球員認定自己該是哪個位置的角度來觀察。 "Players are who they think they are, not who you think they are," the scout said. "Perry Jones thinks like a point guard, not a big man. That's where his heart is. Embrace that and he's going to be amazing. Fight it and he could be a huge disappointment." 「球員呈現的是他心裡描繪的自己,而非外人給他的框架,PJIII認為自己是個PG,不 算長人,此為他本心所在,能擁抱其本心則強悍,與其抗拒則帶來巨大失落」。 A year and a few months later and that's where we are. Draft Jones as a dom -inant 4 man who will defend, make a living in the paint and outwork the next guy and you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Let him play like Rudy Gay, give him the ball on the wing and let him create and he might just surprise you. 這段談話距今已一年多。想選進PJIII並期望他成為善守、在禁區討生活的硬派大前鋒 ,那麼你恐怕要失望。讓他像Rudy Gay一般側翼持球,發揮其創意,也許能帶給你驚 喜。 We currently have Jones ranked No. 9 on our Big Board and have him going No. 12 to the Milwaukee Bucks in our Lottery Mock Draft. Both of those numbers are probably close to his floor as an NBA prospect. If he has great workouts and if a team with the right system is drafting above that, Jones could go anywhere between 5 and 12 on draft night. 現階段PJIII在ESPN模擬選秀被預測為12順位中選,但如果他在試訓中有良好表現,再 搭配良好的戰術體系,他的順位不排除落在5~12名之間。 因為是ESPN Insider,所以就不貼來源了 Perry Jones的總教練Scott Drew已證實他將投入本次選秀。 雖然Chad Ford的模擬選秀要從樂透順位正式抽籤決定後,才慢慢有參考價值, 不過還是提一下他的Mock2.0版本騎士就是選到Perry Jones。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.168.121.156

04/10 22:29, , 1F
選了這隻就是豪賭 不是大贏就是大輸
04/10 22:29, 1F

04/10 22:56, , 2F
A大很愛這隻 不過能凹到10~16順位左右就選吧
04/10 22:56, 2F

04/10 22:57, , 3F
感覺有成為Durant的fu~不過他好像會懶懶的...跟JJ很像
04/10 22:57, 3F

04/10 23:00, , 4F
SF剛好很空給他練 順位差賭他我覺得OK....其實不想打自
04/10 23:00, 4F

04/10 23:00, , 5F
己不喜歡的位子會有那種反應 正常....他又不是坦克車
04/10 23:00, 5F

04/10 23:01, , 6F
體型相當符合SF最近流行的體型 我認為騎士選到不會吃虧
04/10 23:01, 6F

04/10 23:04, , 7F
只是在他投籃的觀察要比較注意就是了 這點影響很大....
04/10 23:04, 7F

04/10 23:09, , 8F
這樣Gee也可以拉去打SG身高1~4號沒有身高被打點的問題
04/10 23:09, 8F

04/10 23:13, , 9F
想到JJ.....最近又想念他了 TT時間給他太多成長不顯著
04/10 23:13, 9F

04/10 23:13, , 10F
能壓他的人沒半個阿 感覺成長比較慢 可惜沒撿到JJ
04/10 23:13, 10F

04/10 23:15, , 11F
沒有特別愛啊XD Chad Ford寫哪個值得看的Insider我就會
04/10 23:15, 11F

04/10 23:16, , 12F
去翻譯,只是今天剛好他寫這位
04/10 23:16, 12F

04/10 23:16, , 13F
插播一下,Cody Zeller不參加2012選秀
04/10 23:16, 13F

04/10 23:20, , 14F
Andre Drummond呢??今天參選名單沒看到他....
04/10 23:20, 14F

04/10 23:20, , 15F
他的大學不要被停賽了 會去參加選秀嘛?@_@
04/10 23:20, 15F

04/10 23:20, , 16F
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04/10 23:22, , 17F
如果沒有....明年真的要變成巨獸年了 騎士還要在樂透區
04/10 23:22, 17F

04/10 23:23, , 18F
嘛.....每ㄧ次選秀選前OR選完 都有還不夠的感覺阿
04/10 23:23, 18F

04/10 23:24, , 19F
今年的期限嚴格講有兩個,大多數人都追隨4/29的那個期限
04/10 23:24, 19F

04/10 23:25, , 20F
包括KU的那幾位,所以還早
04/10 23:25, 20F

04/10 23:26, , 21F
喔喔!! 名單也沒ㄧ字眉狀元....了解
04/10 23:26, 21F

04/11 09:48, , 22F
對Jones的評價 鑽石沒開採就是石頭
04/11 09:48, 22F

04/11 09:49, , 23F
Drummond其實就算UConn被禁只參加錦標賽 他也沒有一定要閃
04/11 09:49, 23F

04/11 09:50, , 24F
的理由 就是看他心情爽不爽而已 就算是明年不打64強 他應
04/11 09:50, 24F

04/11 09:50, , 25F
該還是躺著也有前五順位
04/11 09:50, 25F

04/11 10:02, , 26F
多謝:> 但是Drummond有好到連明年長人年都能躺在前五順位
04/11 10:02, 26F

04/11 10:02, , 27F
等人選嗎@@
04/11 10:02, 27F

04/11 10:39, , 28F
其實13年的長人我只看好Cody、Adams,Noel實在不看好
04/11 10:39, 28F

04/11 10:40, , 29F
McAdoo也是tweener 加上Drummond只是技巧很嫩 心態還蠻正
04/11 10:40, 29F

04/11 10:41, , 30F
確的 加上NBA Ready的身材和體能就擺在那裡 只要有一點進
04/11 10:41, 30F

04/11 10:41, , 31F
步 前五應該不是問題
04/11 10:41, 31F

04/11 11:16, , 32F
hmm...所以我可以這樣解讀嗎 "單純拿Drummond跟PJones比
04/11 11:16, 32F

04/11 11:17, , 33F
較,現階段前者在適應NBA的正確心態上比後者來得高"
04/11 11:17, 33F

04/11 11:17, , 34F
多謝回答嚕~_~
04/11 11:17, 34F

04/11 12:55, , 35F
以名字來看 比較適合搖擺人
04/11 12:55, 35F

04/11 15:36, , 36F
Meyers Leonard呢? ESPN預測跌的比之前多 感覺2X簽+2輪
04/11 15:36, 36F

04/11 15:37, , 37F
就能換到他 這樣選PJ+Leonard 我覺得也OK 可以擺長人陣
04/11 15:37, 37F

04/11 16:20, , 38F
他不是大部分時間都在樂透尾巴/首輪中段嗎?
04/11 16:20, 38F

04/11 16:21, , 39F
在那裡的話就看看有沒有別的辦法,用兩張籤只推進10順位
04/11 16:21, 39F

04/11 16:21, , 40F
不是太划算
04/11 16:21, 40F

04/11 17:35, , 41F
好像最高跑到14XD 後來消失一陣子 不過看他高光有騎士缺
04/11 17:35, 41F

04/11 17:36, , 42F
少的東西 能選到就好了 穩穩的選秀才是正確觀念
04/11 17:36, 42F

04/11 17:37, , 43F
這季不奢求像上季那樣 不過也希望賭到Star級球員
04/11 17:37, 43F

04/11 17:46, , 44F
掛C的 除了Drummond的身材再來就是他了吧....
04/11 17:46, 44F

04/11 20:08, , 45F
單就心態上 應該是Drummond>>>Jones沒錯
04/11 20:08, 45F

04/11 20:08, , 46F
Leonard明年選來應該會送去D-League 然後全隊繼續觀念...
04/11 20:08, 46F

04/11 20:09, , 47F
不過條件確實是很讚沒有錯 心態是還不錯 但就是技巧還太嫩
04/11 20:09, 47F

04/11 20:10, , 48F
如果球隊沒有好好培養很容易歪掉
04/11 20:10, 48F

04/11 20:11, , 49F
不會吧...Thompson我們都能給他這麼多發揮空間,然後
04/11 20:11, 49F

04/11 20:12, , 50F
相對更具深度的樂透末段中鋒,卻只能到NBDL嗎@@
04/11 20:12, 50F

04/11 20:12, , 51F
^選秀
04/11 20:12, 51F

04/11 21:03, , 52F
那是到強隊的狀況吧.....騎士有Andy 照理Leonard來的話
04/11 21:03, 52F

04/11 21:04, , 53F
應該跟hu大講的差不多 不過我想會從替補磨練 跟TT一起..
04/11 21:04, 53F

04/11 21:17, , 54F
看完這篇文章和h大心得,我覺得選Jones不一定好耶~~
04/11 21:17, 54F

04/11 21:18, , 55F
感覺真的賭太大~ 以騎士要靠選秀變強隊而不是半吊子隊
04/11 21:18, 55F

04/11 21:20, , 56F
的思維來說,潛力還是選心態佳的球員會保險一點~
04/11 21:20, 56F

04/11 21:23, , 57F
另外,我覺得長人年也“不一定等於”選秀強年或素質好
04/11 21:23, 57F

04/11 21:25, , 58F
10年來,選秀6-11~7呎多的長人也不少,真的成材的比起其他
04/11 21:25, 58F

04/11 21:26, , 59F
位置的少太多太多。 長人養成不易,長人年如果有高順位
04/11 21:26, 59F

04/11 21:27, , 60F
更要更加更加仔細評估,不然浪費選秀權的機率非常高orz
04/11 21:27, 60F

04/11 21:50, , 61F
明年長人年順位如果還跟今年一樣,那可有點慘了~
04/11 21:50, 61F

04/11 21:51, , 62F
起碼要退到第十順位,繳出一點成績
04/11 21:51, 62F

04/11 21:55, , 63F
這兩年選秀權那麼多~沒撈個堪用的“真”長人還蠻可惜的><
04/11 21:55, 63F

04/11 21:59, , 64F
Drummond和PJ都6-11,但PJ感覺不是打禁區的料orz
04/11 21:59, 64F

04/11 22:12, , 65F
倘若要選當然要選走中鋒路子的,所以我才問誰的心態比較
04/11 22:12, 65F

04/11 22:13, , 66F
上進,不過薪資空間找FA先頂著也可接受
04/11 22:13, 66F

04/11 22:39, , 67F
我認為去年Thompson的即戰力應該大於明年在NBA的Loenard
04/11 22:39, 67F

04/11 22:39, , 68F
Leonard心態是蠻上進的 他家庭經濟狀況不好 打球很認真 不
04/11 22:39, 68F

04/11 22:39, , 69F
過個性不是很強勢那種 需要慢慢找個導師開導他
04/11 22:39, 69F

04/11 22:40, , 70F
和他聊過天的記者都說他的心智成熟度完全不像20歲不到的小
04/11 22:40, 70F

04/11 22:40, , 71F
朋友
04/11 22:40, 71F

04/11 22:43, , 72F
然後就是 我是一直認為今年不算是什麼超級大年的那派...
04/11 22:43, 72F

04/11 23:04, , 73F
我想充其量就是平均深度比較大的選秀
04/11 23:04, 73F

04/11 23:05, , 74F
不過脫炒作的福,很多內線消息都指出2012的籤價價值都
04/11 23:05, 74F

04/11 23:05, , 75F
相對高昂XD
04/11 23:05, 75F

04/12 00:08, , 76F
真的是炒作 光看樂透區 不要說打出明星身價 有幾個能保證
04/12 00:08, 76F

04/12 00:09, , 77F
不要養歪呢? 潛力是一回事 但充斥大量定位不明 技術還沒定
04/12 00:09, 77F

04/12 00:10, , 78F
型的低年級棄學生 我一直搞不懂怎麼能算是超級大年?
04/12 00:10, 78F

04/12 01:30, , 79F
h大中肯 今年選秀感覺"天賦"是不錯的 但都需要養
04/12 01:30, 79F

04/12 01:31, , 80F
這些天賦能不能成為真正的實力都還有待觀察
04/12 01:31, 80F

04/12 01:31, , 81F
反而真正可以提供立即性幫助的新秀似乎沒幾個
04/12 01:31, 81F

04/12 01:38, , 82F
有好的材料就好了 反正不會養的球隊就那幾支 給會養的多
04/12 01:38, 82F

04/12 01:39, , 83F
一點選秀比不會養球員的球隊來的有用 希望騎士有多點簽
04/12 01:39, 83F

04/12 01:41, , 84F
尤其是一輪簽 Grant要讓我們見證奇蹟的時刻阿!!
04/12 01:41, 84F

12/10 00:48, 5年前 , 85F
今年的期限嚴格講有兩個 https://noxiv.com
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04/18 19:30, 5年前 , 86F
有好的材料就好了 反正 https://moxox.com
04/18 19:30, 86F
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