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44F推:安茜應該死了吧，而且宮鬥戲在宮外的爾淳他們戲份能多少？08/07 06:08
45F→:感覺用不相關故事反而比較好，畢竟如妃在宮中也只能這樣08/07 06:09
5F推:金枝有個優點是步調緊湊，不過甄嬛真拍成戲劇，不知道有些07/11 21:19
6F→:地方用電視來表現反而讓人覺得瑣碎？07/11 21:19
7F→:其實看女官鬥爭跟看嬪妃鬥爭過癮程度也不同XD07/11 21:20
2F→:安茜獻身給皇上本身並不會很不合裡，真的不合理是她彷彿有05/17 22:39
3F→:覺悟去獻身，卻又沒覺悟生育爭寵，難道她只是為了讓皇后心05/17 22:39
4F→:裡不爽一下有自己這個貴人就去犧牲獻身嗎05/17 22:40
5F→:玉瑩翻臉不認人我覺得很合理，玉瑩立場當然認為安茜背叛啊05/17 22:40
6F→:至於駕馭男人，安茜並沒特別得寵，感覺只是皇上有新鮮感，05/17 22:41
7F→:如果安茜格外得寵，皇上對其特別不同那當然不一樣05/17 22:41
8F→:另外報仇跟好姊妹無關，這事不能讓玉瑩知道，否則恐怕生變05/17 22:42
11F→:但是如妃玉瑩爾淳我也覺得是很有手段的啊，並不是只有安茜05/17 22:43
13F→:有，三年后新進的秀女一樣可能有很有手段的，妃嬪不斷增加05/17 22:43
14F→:所以我對安茜本身去侍寢爭寵其實覺得還好，但是他不願生育05/17 22:43
15F→:可以看出她有點後悔，讓人覺得其實覺悟不夠這樣只是白犧牲05/17 22:44
17F→:其實要說手段，我覺得這幾個爾淳是最高的05/17 22:44
18F→:我覺得不願生育是不想生不愛男人的孩子05/17 22:45
22F→:不然都成貴人了，就算不生育，玉瑩跟孔武還是不會諒解啊05/17 22:45
24F→:有段台詞讓我覺得他對皇后不只是這樣就覺得可以了，我找下05/17 22:46
26F推:她的目的應該是要拉下皇后，只是不是用小祿子那種方法，她05/17 22:52
27F→:知道皇后處處針對懷孕妃嬪，所以爾淳懷孕時也特別去想抓住05/17 22:53
28F→:皇后的行為，我覺得她絕不是只是為了讓皇后痛苦於得寵妃嬪05/17 22:53
29F→:越來越多這麼一點而已，那犧牲太不值得了，皇上也未必會愛05/17 22:54
30F→:上新的秀女，皇上只是寵寵幾個漂亮的，要說愛應該還不夠，05/17 22:54
31F→:安茜曾說的台詞是：如果所謂的報應，只不過是區區的頭痛與05/17 22:55
32F→:心煩，上天未免對這女子太過厚待。可見她要皇后不是這樣而05/17 22:55
33F→:已，這點程度的報仇真的太不值得去獻身了05/17 22:56
34F→:另外即使安茜不去當貴人扶持新人，其實每三年一次也總會有05/17 22:58
35F→:新寵的，何況這種事情如妃已經在做類似的了05/17 22:59
53F→:安茜目的應該是希望最終能讓皇上殺掉皇后是最好，但是不行05/17 23:38
54F→:的話就希望能讓皇后被拉下來，不是只是讓皇后心痛而已，畢05/17 23:39
55F→:竟安茜自己也說這樣老天未免太厚待了，而且她若有所思說過05/17 23:39
56F→:如妃講得很對，能殺皇后的人只有皇上，這應該是她最想看到05/17 23:39
57F→:如妃都倒了，安茜要像如妃那樣其實是更難的，安茜是等待時05/17 23:40
58F→:機希望拉下皇后甚至皇后死掉更好，才會說終於等到良機05/17 23:41
59F→:至於平常那種讓皇后小痛一下，頂多只是附帶，不是最終目的05/17 23:41
60F→:安茜自己說過她會很狠，但是一點都不狠~囧，安茜從頭到尾都05/17 23:43
61F→:不算是什麼多壞啦，感覺安茜有道德潔癖05/17 23:44
62F→:其實覺得安茜有後悔，只是來不及了05/17 23:45
64F→:樓上XDDDD05/18 00:36
117F→:安茜獻身本身可以理解，讓人覺得矛盾的是，彷彿做了重大決05/18 23:33
118F→:心獻身，卻原來覺悟並沒有強烈到可以接受生育05/18 23:33
121F→:宮女出宮應該未必是強制的吧，慈禧身邊也有老宮女啊，並不05/18 23:33
123F→:是奶娘才能留下，奶娘到了一個期間也會出宮吧，或有彈性？05/18 23:34
125F→:如果說不獻身就不能不出宮，那到是給安茜這麼做提供一個很05/18 23:35
127F→:有力的說法，但是到底是不是這樣規定？05/18 23:35
129F→:我也覺得衝動才能解釋安茜之後的矛盾05/18 23:36
130F→:皇后殺她奶奶之後，安茜本來還是打算出宮沒錯05/18 23:37
132F→:而且劇中台詞也可看出，安茜真正目的還是想等時機拉皇后，05/18 23:38
136F→:安茜要報仇卻還擔心爾淳的胎，她顧忌太多，該說太善良嗎= =05/18 23:47
137F→:偏偏她又沒有三好強運XD05/18 23:48
144F→:記得她還跟小祿子說，再拖下去，淳貴人跟她的胎都會有危險05/18 23:54
166F→:玉瑩那段我覺得還可以接受05/21 00:16
11F→:安茜想報仇人之常情，但是半吊子的覺悟不如沒有，一方面犧05/17 22:09
12F→:牲自己，卻又無法狠下心來，結果等於賠了夫人又折兵，安茜05/17 22:10
13F→:如果積極爭寵願意生兒育女，那麼背叛玉瑩就合理多了，但是05/17 22:10
14F→:安茜不要，選擇了當上貴人卻又不積極繼續爭寵好報仇，那到05/17 22:11
15F→:底犧牲自己是為了什麼？她去找玉瑩合作或是爾淳懷孕時找爾05/17 22:12
16F→:淳所提出的說法，天真的不像一個在宮中多年的所講的話05/17 22:12
17F→:但是我覺得安茜這段上位快倒是還好，重點就是侍寢了皇上覺05/17 22:13
18F→:得還算滿意就封了個貴人，貴人位階並不算高，對皇上而言，05/17 22:13
19F→:給她個貴人並沒有多大不了，問題是能不能順利繼續晉位，還05/17 22:14
20F→:有真的覺得安茜爭寵會不會是後來加的，所以步調一定要快，05/17 22:14
21F→:因為集數不夠再慢慢演，安茜好像是20多集才被封的05/17 22:15
22F→:安茜真要爭寵，最大阻礙是她不願生兒育女，沒有兒女，沒有05/17 22:16
23F→:身世，皇上也沒真的多愛她，封到貴人恐怕已是極限05/17 22:16
24F推:補推05/17 22:57
17F推:好文推，其實皇后性格，玉瑩就算再不想跟皇后為敵，皇后也05/17 22:19
18F→:早晚會對付玉瑩，除非她不得也不爭寵(但玉瑩個性不太可能)05/17 22:20
19F→:，所以安茜只要肯忍，扶持玉瑩，有一天皇后會成為兩人共同05/17 22:20
20F→:敵人，也不要告訴玉瑩關於奶奶的事情，讓玉瑩以為安茜純粹05/17 22:21
21F→:是幫助自己在對付皇后，當然安茜自己爭寵也可以，但是既然05/17 22:21
22F→:要去當貴人，就要有替皇上生兒育女的覺悟吧~囧05/17 22:22
25F推:玉瑩當然有機會，問題是就算這些考量進去，如果安茜不肯生05/17 22:35
26F→:小孩這麼做也只會失敗率更高05/17 22:35
27F→:安茜既然要報仇本來就有風險，只是比較的問題罷了，沒有哪05/17 22:36
28F→:條路是安茜百分百能成功的，她只能挑一個機率相較高一點的05/17 22:36
34F→:其實我覺得報仇本身就是一種高風險的事情，成功率更重要05/18 23:37
2F→:那不是同個事件，玉瑩看到洗臉水裝暈倒，但是吃過敏的東西05/17 00:34
4F→:是為了讓爾淳三人以為自己有吃爾淳調換的藥，並且故作不知05/17 00:35
6F→:向孫透漏這件事情，本意是想讓孫去揭露05/17 00:35
6F→:那既然如此，何必獻身皇上，這事當宮女就可以做了，反正結05/16 23:43
8F→:局都是一死，拿刀刺殺跟下毒，當宮女反而更容易下手05/16 23:44
9F→:她本來就已經是皇后信任的宮女了，當上貴人身份反而惹皇后05/16 23:44
10F→:戒心，當初皇后甚至為了留下她殺她奶奶耶，她本來就是皇后05/16 23:44
11F→:宮裡的人05/16 23:44
13F→:另外如妃下毒那段，是說要安茜毒死自己，不是毒死皇后05/16 23:45
15F→:那當上貴人就沒有其他人在身邊嗎，要知道，安茜本來是要去05/16 23:46
17F→:捅皇后的，是因為小祿子阻止，她才放棄這方法吧，可見既然05/16 23:47
18F→:選擇當上妃嬪，就是選不同方法對付05/16 23:47
22F→:你是說跟皇后當朋友嗎？可是皇后擺明所有可能威脅的妃子都05/16 23:48
24F→:會對付啊，何況本來是皇后信賴宮女，後來卻是皇上新寵，哪05/16 23:48
25F→:個才會讓皇后更有戒心呢05/16 23:48
26F→:貴人去請安也一樣有其他宮女在旁，安茜本來身份是皇后派去05/16 23:49
27F→:扶持甚至監督玉瑩的，這身份假裝去跟皇后報告玉瑩相關反而05/16 23:49
29F→:還有機會讓皇后支開其它人獨處05/16 23:50
32F→:安茜始終是隸屬於皇后宮裡的人吧05/16 23:50
33F→:何況不用跟玉瑩說真相啊，玉瑩本來也需要人扶持05/16 23:51
38F→:皇后早晚也會對付玉瑩的05/16 23:54
41F→:安茜一開始對皇后的確有報恩心態，忘了是什麼事情了，好像05/16 23:54
42F→:也是跟奶奶有關05/16 23:55
44F→:如果是要爬上高位，我的意思就是安茜根本不可能05/16 23:55
46F→:結果皇后把小祿子都殺了，一個貴人對皇后無法那麼大牽制05/16 23:56
50F→:但是我的意思是，扶持玉瑩上高位也許會失敗，卻遠比自己去05/16 23:57
52F→:爭成功率高，安茜自己去爭幾乎可說必敗無疑05/16 23:57
53F→:我就是說皇后想法也很怪，宮女本來就有期限，沒有奶奶也不05/16 23:58
55F→:代表安茜會想留在宮裡啊05/16 23:58
59F→:那是因為有親人在外，會更想而已吧，就算沒有親人，宮女不05/16 23:59
61F→:出宮，也不能結婚啊05/16 23:59
63F→:但是憑安茜得寵程度跟位份，怎麼可能讓皇后多擔憂05/17 00:00
66F→:我的意思就是皇后小題大作，為了留下安茜連她奶奶都殺，那05/17 00:01
68F→:萬一皇后知道安茜可能會出宮嫁給孔武，也要派人去殺嗎~囧05/17 00:01
72F→:但是安茜當那麼久宮女了，應該知道宮裡面只有利益結合，而05/17 00:02
74F→:且她背叛玉瑩，玉瑩這部份就是樹敵了(很意外安茜好像沒想到05/17 00:03
76F→:)，她又似乎不想跟爾淳聯手，這些事情在她做出獻身這麼大05/17 00:03
78F→:結論前，難道安茜都沒想過嗎？事實也證明安茜被寵幸后，玉05/17 00:04
80F→:瑩根本不要跟她合作反而要除掉她，至於爾淳懷孕算意外好了05/17 00:04
82F→:孔武知道這件事情？我是說皇后如果以為安茜要跟孔武結婚所05/17 00:05
83F→:以出宮，不是說孔武知道安茜奶奶的事情05/17 00:05
84F→:怎麼會提到爾淳，爾淳身份起碼宮裡面以為是正黃旗05/17 00:07
86F→:喔那個，她不想跟爾淳聯手我覺得是因為她在感情上傾向玉瑩05/17 00:08
88F→:不是因為爾淳身世或是聰明這些，我覺得是情感上的傾向05/17 00:08
91F→:其實玉瑩我覺得也很聰明，只是外型太容易樹敵，玉瑩如果不05/17 00:10
92F→:是心軟去自首，應該就把爾淳鬥垮了05/17 00:11
107F→:I大誤會我的意思了，玉瑩的確會想自保，但我提到以皇后個性05/17 00:18
108F→:，玉瑩就算是被逼的也有朝一日會跟皇后為敵的，除非玉瑩在05/17 00:19
109F→:這之前失寵皇后才會懶得理她，安茜不要跟玉瑩說那些事情，05/17 00:19
110F→:就扶持到皇后要來對付玉瑩那一天，才是報仇的開始05/17 00:19
111F→:可是皇上不愛她這跟安茜無關啊，，安茜不去犧牲自己，皇上05/17 00:20
112F→:一樣不愛皇后05/17 00:20
113F→:我的意思就是，安茜顯然不是皇上最愛= =，皇上只是嘗鮮05/17 00:20
114F→:後宮每人爭寵，就算沒有安茜也一樣是這樣05/17 00:21
118F→:我意思就是為了賭那微乎其微的可能性做出這種犧牲不太合理05/17 00:23
120F→:不是要當皇上最愛+1，安茜也知道不可能吧，安茜也不想要皇05/17 00:23
123F→:上的愛，所以我說這段根本是安茜悲傷過度加上如妃那段話，05/17 00:24
125F→:只能理解成她衝動之下才會行事，想一想這是成功率最低的法05/17 00:24
126F→:安茜有一段是要衝過去幹掉皇后的，是被小祿子阻止，其實衝05/17 00:25
127F→:過去幹掉皇后成功機率應該還比自己獻身皇上要高05/17 00:25
143F→:玉瑩母親的確會是個弱點，但是安茜那個我意思是，要嘛不報05/17 00:30
145F→:仇，要報就要選成功機率比較高的方法，而自己為妃，皇上對05/17 00:30
146F→:安茜又不是愛情，就只是有點新鮮罷了吧，安茜自己又不肯生05/17 00:31
148F→:兒育女，那麼一個貴人拿什麼打擊皇后，另外我有說到了，燕05/17 00:31
149F→:貴人跟陳妃之死，也沒看到皇后跟如妃有被追究什麼，我不覺05/17 00:32
150F→:得皇上毫不知情，可能只是皇上不想為了小小貴人去追究皇后05/17 00:32
151F→:跟如妃罷了，貴人沒什麼保障，皇后要弄死安貴人，我覺得皇05/17 00:32
152F→:上也一樣不會去追究05/17 00:33
153F→:所以我說，安茜這角色象徵了矛盾啊05/17 00:33
159F→:記得安茜去扶持玉瑩，是皇后要她這麼做的，為了平衡勢力吧05/17 00:43
160F→:安茜始終是隸屬於皇后宮裡的人，而且本來皇后也以為安茜效05/17 00:44
161F→:忠自己的，施恩那段就是為了讓安茜感恩05/17 00:44
162F→:即時她被派去玉瑩那邊，玉瑩跟她交心，但是外人看來她還是05/17 00:45
163F→:皇后派去的，是皇后的人吧，皇后原本也是這樣以為的，沒想05/17 00:46
164F→:到安茜真的跟玉瑩交心05/17 00:46
165F→:我上面也提到了，安茜扶持玉瑩，玉瑩也可能被害死，但是依05/17 00:46
166F→:舊比起自己獻身封貴人成功機率要高，燕貴人跟陳妃也沒說不05/17 00:47
167F→:得寵啊，真不得寵，皇后如妃還未必想花功夫去對付05/17 00:47
169F→:其實安貴人也很可能是下個燕貴人05/17 00:48
170F→:我去找一下集數好了，我記得有這樣一段耶05/17 00:48
175F→:安茜跟孫都是自發性幫玉瑩沒錯，不過我記得皇后也是有派安05/17 00:53
176F→:茜正式成為玉瑩貼身宮女，可是規矩上應該仍是隸屬於皇后05/17 00:53
182F→:去看了下，安茜一開始自發性關懷玉瑩，不過皇后也是要她扶05/17 01:40
183F→:持玉瑩沒錯，有派人去暗示安茜，不過就算她派去成為玉瑩貼05/17 01:40
184F→:身宮女，其實規矩上也還是算皇后的人05/17 01:41
185F→:另外奶奶死後本來還是打算出宮，皇后以你奶奶死了為由勸她05/17 01:42
186F→:先留下，但是這也就代表，奶奶死後安茜本來還是打算離宮吧05/17 01:43
38F推:林保怡的孫演得不錯+1，宮心計有鬥爭嗎，都是三好威能吧05/16 23:27
53F→:林保怡以前演得角色常不太討好，四個好色那滿搞笑就是了05/17 00:07
55F→:比較不喜歡他的角色是一代梟雄中的角色05/17 04:07
56F→:最喜歡角色是爾淳跟如妃，玉瑩也還不錯05/17 07:17
39F→:如妃這角色必須演出那種霸氣並不算好演，其實其他爾淳或玉05/17 02:55
40F→:瑩的角色我覺得也不好演，蔡少芬的話，外型美豔精明，玉瑩05/17 02:55
41F→:跟如妃應該都還適合，但是因為精明感重，如妃可能更適合點05/17 02:56
42F→:蔡少芬以前演過傻傻的角色也演很好，但是玉瑩難演我覺得是05/17 03:09
43F→:因為要演出那種「自以為聰明」的感覺，雖然玉瑩其實也滿聰05/17 03:10
44F→:明，但是讓其他小主以為她「自以為聰明」跟單純演傻又不同05/17 03:11
94F→:所以我覺得安茜真的很矛盾，要報仇又不夠狠05/17 00:36
97F推:所以我甚至懷疑，安茜爭寵是後來改的劇情= =05/17 00:38
101F推:去向皇上獻身就已經夠不像安茜了05/17 00:41
103F→:孫那段安茜也只是坐等而已啊，記得是想說爾淳會去？有點忘05/17 00:42
108F→:同意安茜這角色給我感覺象徵矛盾05/17 00:49
116F推:安茜很被注意到啊，不然皇后也不會派人殺她奶奶了~囧05/17 00:55
118F→:只能說安茜的計畫她自己應該也知道失敗率太高，但是悲傷過05/17 00:55
120F→:度加上如妃從旁搧風，一時衝動，就算後悔也來不及了吧05/17 00:56
123F→:宮女中，我覺得最聰明，應該比較可以安然度過的是白蘭05/17 00:56
148F推:不愛看安茜愛情戲+1，也覺得相較其他顯得較弱，但是安茜不05/17 01:10
149F→:是正女一，感覺如妃玉瑩爾淳安茜四個都女主吧05/17 01:11
151F→:推孔武跟如妃的戲份不錯05/17 01:12
163F推:安茜戲中給人感覺滿多說教戲份，當然這是編劇安排的XD05/17 01:18
167F→:看到安茜說要成功絕不可急進，要開花結果一定要靠事前功夫05/17 01:19
169F→:點滴而成。不知為何突然覺得後面真是好慘05/17 01:20
170F→:爾淳對那宮女是因為想到自己吧05/17 01:21
174F→:而且她也常說應該要怎樣不得不怎樣人生大道理，結果.....05/17 01:22
177F→:我覺得安茜侍寢真的是衝動，不然靜下心來想想應該不會這樣05/17 01:23
178F→:，而且她後來我覺得也是有後悔...這角色真的象徵矛盾05/17 01:23
181F→:不過知道奶奶真相，她大概冷靜不下來，想不到就因為自己聰05/17 01:24
183F→:明靈巧，害了壓根無關的奶奶不得善終，所以那侍寢是不是也05/17 01:25
184F→:有自暴自棄的成份~囧05/17 01:25
186F→:而且成貴人後，看到孔武好像還希望孔武體諒的感覺，印象中05/17 01:26
187F→:有幕他在轎子裡是不是，問題是孔武又不知情當然很難諒解啊05/17 01:26
191F推:犧牲成為貴人，卻又無法鐵了心的像玉瑩那樣爭寵急著懷孕XD05/17 01:31
198F→:其實安茜常常忘記自己跟對方關係的感覺，就好像封貴人後還05/17 01:44
199F→:去找玉瑩想要動之以情說兩人合作之類的05/17 01:44
201F→:誰是玉瑩都不會諒解吧~囧05/17 01:45
206F推:其實比起敵人，曾經背叛過自己的朋友更是個心結吧05/17 01:49
208F→:這不是脆弱問題吧，背叛過自己，現在又要爭寵的誰會信任啊05/17 01:51
209F→:就算現在先對付爾淳，早晚也會對付安茜，只不會先對付安茜05/17 01:51
210F→:以玉瑩立場來講，服侍自己兩人交心時，她都會偷了自己令牌05/17 01:52
211F→:太監服騙自己皇上沒找她偷偷去見皇上了，那現在當上貴人後05/17 01:52
212F→:更有可能再次欺騙玉瑩做些什麼啊05/17 01:52
213F→:我覺得在這之後，安茜每句話包括合作，玉瑩都不會相信05/17 01:53
215F推:玉瑩會這麼恨，正是因為真心相待過安茜，對爾淳反而沒那恨05/17 01:56
216F→:，因為對爾淳她沒有真心相交過，一直是爾虞我詐05/17 01:57
219F→:親信背叛任何人都不能諒解的吧，跟玉瑩脆弱度我覺得無關05/17 01:58
220F→:安茜這種傷害別人還覺得沒想到傷害你這麼深的心態也很囧05/17 01:59
223F→:皇后也來這樣好了：我只是想讓妳留下幫助我，不用當平民百05/17 02:00
225F→:姓，何況你奶奶也老了，沒想到傷害你這麼深XDDDD05/17 02:00
226F→:我覺得承受不代表不會討回來，背叛過的早晚要除掉05/17 02:01
227F→:因為能背叛一次，就難保不會被害第二次05/17 02:01
228F推:我覺得這大概就跟沅淇被出賣死掉後，爾淳寧可把視如姊姊的05/17 02:22
229F→:淑寧先解決掉，也不願意先跟淑寧合作對付其他人是一樣的05/17 02:22
230F→:另外安茜並未得權，貴人身份還離得權有段距離05/17 07:32
231F→:皇后跟如妃這兩個的程度比較可以稱的上是得權05/17 07:33
236F→:覺得金枝性格也相當明顯耶，不過火舞我只看第一集05/17 22:08