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97F→: 這篇的推文數居然60 看來大家都很有耐心等推文03/18 10:52
30F推: 周處"豪"到炸，跟孫堅差蠻大，所謂"江東諸豪，莫強周、沈"03/04 14:20
6F推: asdf的文章有誤導之嫌，他說"蜀漢以商業稅為主而非農業稅"02/28 18:02
7F→: ，但是蜀漢的稅役體制仍以力役為多，換算成現在就好像一個02/28 18:04
8F推: 一個人要服16年的無薪兵役，對一個農民占八成的農業國家說02/28 18:09
9F→: ："阿，你們人民交上的稅收多是商稅，所以商業棒棒好發達"02/28 18:11
11F推: 從北伐徵調人力時，蜀民對諸葛亮的"勞而無怨"，到姜維北伐02/28 18:40
12F推: 的勞而有"怨"，可知蜀民是無償勞役，國家不用發薪水02/28 18:44
14F推: 這論點太強大了，我還是惦惦微笑就好了02/28 18:55
17F→: 唐朝以前中國政府皆無償勞役或低償勞役，算是學術界的常識02/28 20:02
18F→: asdf能夠打破常識、發人深省，我自然是笑而無語、靜待出土02/28 20:05
19F→: 的新史料以及學術界的翻天覆地02/28 20:06
26F→: 因為姜維北伐時，後方治國的是佞臣陳祗，不公不義故民怨03/01 18:42
36F→: 因為免錢出兵，代表百姓要出力出糧到"民有菜色"(吳使見證)03/01 22:08
15F推: 抵銷惡意推文02/22 18:38
47F推: 再推02/25 08:55
48F推: 再推02/25 08:58
49F推: 被水桶還能噓？02/25 09:22
3F→: 其實你曲解了可樂大的論點-->"偏偏可樂大意思感覺像" 這句02/18 11:05
4F→: 所以承認吧！ 不要做像是對著紙扎的稻草人射箭這種行為02/18 11:08
3F推: 蜀漢會多強，看它能夠團結關西的胡漢族群到什麼程度？另外02/11 11:31
4F→: ，當時關西社會的史料太少，難以判斷，然我較傾向輸給關東02/11 11:37
1F→: H大似乎想論證東州可至南中開墾，但南中有經濟效益，不代02/09 11:33
2F→: 表適合數萬北方人移居，東州人聽到要移去瘴癘和襖熱的南中02/09 11:44
3F→: ，大概立刻造反，而且南中到四川的交通很差，對劉焉利薄02/09 11:49
5F→: 跨緯度的長距離移民，除非極大的政治號召或壓迫，在古代都02/09 19:53
6F→: (幾乎)是不可能的，像北魏孝文帝遷都洛陽就把政治號召力用02/09 19:57
7F→: 到極限，而東州人逃到蜀地時，沒有像百多年後的流民組成塢02/09 20:09
8F→: 堡，故無流民帥組成的"塢主"和"行主"，這樣的政治領導力，02/09 20:13
9F→: 所以東州人到南中拓荒的機率接近零，薦閱"槍砲病菌與鋼鐵"02/09 20:17
34F→: 其實我看不懂原PO給我的問題，也沒有心力查華楊國志XDDDDD02/17 22:02
13F→:ander大從呂岱漢中之行的史料，推論到呂岱對劉備充滿"善意"03/15 13:48
14F→:，是鴿派佐證的論點，真是非常奇特。誰都知道當時孫權、孫03/15 13:50
15F→:瑜有併吞劉璋的打算，是故呂岱漢中行更有探路先鋒的意味。03/15 13:51
16F→:而且呂岱從漢中回來時剛好碰上劉備攻蜀失利，因此大肆散布03/15 13:56
17F→:劉備攻蜀必敗的消息(結果被打臉)，實在看不出來呂岱是鴿派03/15 13:57
18F→:《吳範傳》："(吳)範又白言：「歲在甲午，劉備當得益州。」03/15 13:59
19F→:後呂岱從蜀還，遇之白帝，說備部眾離落，死亡且半，事必不03/15 14:00
20F→:克"03/15 14:00
3F推: 《後漢書‧孔融傳》還原了一個較真實的孔融，有點像李敖12/12 22:39
4F→: (以前的李敖)，但你把李敖殺掉的話，就成毛澤東、曹操了12/12 22:42
16F推: 力推11/20 21:45