[討論] 關於全力以赴跟防守方式

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這是美國籃協的官網 https://reurl.cc/exRKNW 以下擷取部分段落（包含部分簡陋翻譯）： Youth Guidelines – Rules and Standards ABOUT Basketball is a great game that is played by millions of young people in the Uni ted States and around the world. Playing basketball fosters the development of p eer relationships, self-esteem, leadership qualities, and physical health. 籃球是一項在美國及全球數百萬年輕人從事的運動。打籃球能培養同儕關係、自尊（自信？ ）、領導特質以及身體健康的發展。 To date, however, the sport of basketball has lacked guidelines around health an d wellness and consistent game play standards. To help foster player health, age - and stage-appropriate skill development, and a positive and enjoyable on-court experience for young people, the NBA and USA Basketball have developed a set of rules and standards to enhance the playing experience for young athletes. 然而，現今籃球這項運動缺乏關於身體健康的方針及一致的打球標準。為了培養年輕球員的 健康、適合年紀適合階段的技巧發展，還有正面且愉快的球場體驗，NBA及美國籃協發展一 套規則及標準來增進年輕運動員的打球體驗。 These guidelines aim to combat the overemphasis on early competitive success and the lack of a clear development pathway through the sport – two issues that ex ist across youth sports, including basketball. 這些方針目標在避免過度強調前期的競爭勝利以及缺乏這項運動明確的發展方向這兩個存在 青年運動的議題。 The NBA and USA Basketball are committed to helping shape a youth basketball env ironment that prioritizes the health and well-being of young athletes and promot es their enjoyment and development in the game. Nba及美國籃協承諾來協助打造一個健康福祉（？）為優先並促進比賽樂趣及發展的環境。 RULES & STANDARDS Basketball is played in countless settings and locations across the U.S. – and though the game remains fundamentally the same, there are many variables that c an impact a young player’s experience. USA Basketball and the NBA want all pla yers to enjoy the game and have a fun, developmentally appropriate experience. Parents and coaches frequently ask certain questions, especially when their kids are young: ‧How high should we set the basket? 籃框要多高 ‧What size ball should we use? 要打幾號大小的球 ‧Should we play zone defense? 可以守區域嗎 These are important questions, and we understand that playing with the correct e quipment and establishing age-appropriate rules significantly impacts the experi ence for youth as they learn the game. Therefore, the NBA and USA Basketball ha ve established detailed guidelines to help young players develop at a natural pa ce that is suitable to their age and physiological abilities. Rules and Standards Elements USA Basketball and the NBA have worked closely with an expert working group on P laying Standards to develop age- and stage-appropriate rules and standards for y outh basketball. Aligning with the Player Segmentation Model, these guidelines will help young players appropriately learn the fundamentals of the game, achiev e and maintain early success, and provide enhanced long-term development. The rules and standards address four key areas: 規則分成四個項目 ‧Equipment & Court Specifications (e.g., proper height of the basket, size of t he ball, and court dimensions and lines). ‧設備及場地規格 ‧Game Structure (e.g., length of the game, scoring and timeouts). ‧比賽架構（比賽長度，比分，暫停） ‧Game Tactics (e.g., equal playing time, player-to-player vs. zone defense, pre ssing vs. no pressing). ‧比賽策略(球員上場時間，防守） ‧Game Play Rules (e.g., use of a shot clock, substitutions, clock stoppage). ‧比賽規則（進攻時間 罰球時間等等） （僅取策略的部分參考，其他部分請看原文網址） GAME TACTICS https://i.imgur.com/hY7fFU6.jpg
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Definitions: 定義： ‧Player-to-Player Defense – 球員對球員防守- -Each player is responsible for guarding and moving with one offensive player. This requires the defensive player to move according to the offensive player’ s movements with or without the ball. 每個球員都要負責防守一個進攻方球員並隨之移動，不論該進攻方球員是否持球。 -The defensive player must stay on the same side of the court as the offensive player, divided by the rim line. 防守者必須跟進攻者待在球場的同一邊（這段不是很懂） -If an offensive player with the ball advances past their defensive player, an other defender may rotate to guard that offensive player. 如果持求者過掉防守者，防守方可以輪替另一個人來防守 ‧Pressing Defense – Defensive guarding, either on or off the ball, within the backcourt. 壓迫防守-在後場不論持球或空手的防守 ‧Double-Team/Crowding – Two or more defensive players guarding a single offens ive player 包夾-兩個以上的防守者守一個進攻者 RATIONALE Double-Team/Crowding: Crowding the ball with multiple players (referred to as “ double-teaming”) is not allowed for 7-8 or 9-11 year-olds due to skill and size discrepancies among children at these ages. Crowding is allowed for 12-14 year- olds and older to remain consistent with pressing defense standards. 7-11歲禁止包夾 Playing Time: To ensure that all young children participating in the sport have an opportunity to experience the game, equal and fair playing time is recommende d for 7-8 year-olds. For 9-11 year-olds, equal playing time is recommended for periods 1-3, while allowing coaches discretion in the fourth and extra periods. Equal and fair playing time is encouraged throughout all segments. 相同的上場時間，9歲以後第四節及延長賽教練自由調度 Pressing Defense: Pressing defense is prohibited for 7-8 year-olds to help child ren develop principles of movement with and without the ball in a half-court set ting. For 9-11 year-olds, permitting player-to-player defense to extend full-cou rt in the fourth and extra periods allows players to become accustomed to full-c ourt defense while not having to understand sophisticated zone presses. It also allows for an introduction to competitive tactics. 7-8歲禁止壓迫，9-11歲允許第四節及延長賽全場壓迫 Set Defense: The player-to-player requirement for 7-8 and 9-11 year-olds encoura ges physical activity and movement, and promotes the development of individual s kill related to guarding a player both on and off the ball. Stealing from the Dribbler: At ages 7-8, players are not allowed to steal the ba ll from an active dribbler. This allows ball-handlers to develop dribbling skil ls and confidence with the basketball. 7-8歲禁止抄運球者的球 =========================== 籃球大國在國小的比賽都有這樣規定，難道他們都沒有中華隊國手懂籃球嗎？（開個玩笑 這個議題吵到現在洪沒錯，他也是規則內照著走，但多數有反對意見的都是對於這個年紀的 小學生在大比分差距下使用的防守方式是否不妥，結果他講一個尊重對手，後面又凹到什麼 打假球的說法根本是歪理。 台灣這個環境都這麼爛了，大家都想贏眼前的比賽，但後面更長遠的發展呢誰在乎？洪自己 練到變國家隊成員很厲害，如果能利用自身的份量是否能多少改變生態而不是跟其他人一樣 更是他投入基層更有意義的事 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 223.136.171.231 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/basketballTW/M.1595347714.A.BE5.html
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07/22 00:15, 3年前 , 1F
到底這個可以吵多久
07/22 00:15, 1F
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07/22 00:17, 3年前 , 2F
小學老師說以後國中會教，國中老師說以後高中會教，
07/22 00:17, 2F
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07/22 00:17, 3年前 , 3F
高中老師說以後大學會教，到了大學老師說這很基本，
07/22 00:17, 3F
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07/22 00:17, 3年前 , 4F
想必小學就教過了。台灣好像不管什麼教育都是這樣
07/22 00:17, 4F
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07/22 00:17, 3年前 , 5F
都是這幾個論點重復再吵而已 多說無益
07/22 00:17, 5F
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07/22 00:17, 3年前 , 6F
我支持這事情吵到籃協出來說話啊
07/22 00:17, 6F
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07/22 00:17, 3年前 , 7F
沒人在乎就不會有人吵了
07/22 00:17, 7F
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07/22 00:17, 3年前 , 8F
能不能你大籃協一句話搞定 不要讓基層教練扛這鍋
07/22 00:17, 8F
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07/22 00:18, 3年前 , 9F
人家米國就是有針對年齡層做比賽內容限制
07/22 00:18, 9F
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07/22 00:18, 3年前 , 10F
我真的不懂77-0這個可以吵多久
07/22 00:18, 10F
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07/22 00:18, 3年前 , 11F
可以寫信給籃協阿 不然po在這裡也沒用
07/22 00:18, 11F
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07/22 00:18, 3年前 , 12F
籃協出來指導一下國內籃壇要怎麼教小朋友啊
07/22 00:18, 12F
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07/22 00:20, 3年前 , 13F
籃協有在理你是誰嗎 黑人都要敬他三分
07/22 00:20, 13F
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07/22 00:21, 3年前 , 14F
去報菜市場盃就能開心打球了就不會遇到這些問題了
07/22 00:21, 14F
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07/22 00:23, 3年前 , 15F
我個人覺得美國籃協這部分比較合理一點..
07/22 00:23, 15F
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07/22 00:23, 3年前 , 16F
就跟打壘球一樣也是規定不能本壘滑壘 不能盜壘開心
07/22 00:23, 16F
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07/22 00:23, 3年前 , 17F
就好
07/22 00:23, 17F
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07/22 00:25, 3年前 , 18F
國小階段..球技經驗體能都不足的情況下
07/22 00:25, 18F
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07/22 00:25, 3年前 , 19F
所以壘球是菜市場盃嗎？你不要自打臉啦
07/22 00:25, 19F
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07/22 00:25, 3年前 , 20F
國小階段全場壓迫是很不合理的戰術
07/22 00:25, 20F
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07/22 00:27, 3年前 , 21F
就分個甲組乙組 乙組不能壓迫打開心的就好
07/22 00:27, 21F
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07/22 00:33, 3年前 , 22F
要規定就得從協會發出，這不是基層教練能主張的吧，
07/22 00:33, 22F
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07/22 00:33, 3年前 , 23F
我覺得全力沒錯，按照規則盡力去打
07/22 00:33, 23F
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07/22 00:36, 3年前 , 24F
規則訂好 下面的人就依照規則去全力打
07/22 00:36, 24F
噓
07/22 00:46, 3年前 , 25F
到底是為什麼可以一直吵，當事人都說了不在意，反
07/22 00:46, 25F
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07/22 00:46, 3年前 , 26F
而你們在那邊湊熱鬧
07/22 00:46, 26F
首先 我不認同這件事的處理方式 並附上美國的相關資料提供參考 希望可以對基層籃球有 正向的影響 不知道你認不認同 第二 當事人不吵 事情不會有任何改變一樣繼續土法煉鋼或是這一套 對於發展不是好事 你認不認同 最後想嘴一個 只有啞巴跟死人最安靜 有人吵代表有人關注有人氣 台籃已經夠慘了多點討 論不好嗎
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07/22 00:50, 3年前 , 27F
這規則不錯啊
07/22 00:50, 27F
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07/22 00:50, 3年前 , 28F
依年紀 層級 設定不同的規則 蠻合理的
07/22 00:50, 28F
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07/22 00:54, 3年前 , 29F
應該說討論吧..雖然當事人不在意..可是卻是基層籃球
07/22 00:54, 29F
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07/22 00:55, 3年前 , 30F
的難題...其實看到現在..泓志善雖然說話不好聽
07/22 00:55, 30F
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07/22 00:55, 3年前 , 31F
但做的也是規則允許.正反兩方理由都充分.才需要討論
07/22 00:55, 31F
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07/22 00:56, 3年前 , 32F
練到國手又如何 規則不改 他只是基層的一個教練而已
07/22 00:56, 32F
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07/22 00:57, 3年前 , 33F
大家都練全場壓迫 沒事幹嘛拿自己的工作機會開玩笑
07/22 00:57, 33F
※ 編輯: kaga1991 (223.136.171.231 臺灣), 07/22/2020 00:58:22
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07/22 00:59, 3年前 , 34F
抱歉打錯字洪
07/22 00:59, 34F
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07/22 00:59, 3年前 , 35F
這件事在美國主要是教練間在討論，因為你去問小孩
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07/22 00:59, 3年前 , 36F
在意的小孩常常是問不到的(詳生存者偏差) XD
07/22 00:59, 36F
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07/22 01:00, 3年前 , 37F
到底要幾篇 夠了吧
07/22 01:00, 37F
還有 68 則推文
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07/22 07:47, 3年前 , 106F
會去打的，當然不在乎阿，教練事先都教好了
07/22 07:47, 106F
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07/22 07:47, 3年前 , 107F
小朋友很聽話的，那會在乎的呢？還有在打籃球嗎？
07/22 07:47, 107F
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07/22 07:48, 3年前 , 108F
可能他會說不打的吃不了籃球飯吧xd
07/22 07:48, 108F
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07/22 07:49, 3年前 , 109F
國小就以籃球為志業
07/22 07:49, 109F
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07/22 07:49, 3年前 , 110F
對阿，國小就覺得不該吃這行飯，趕緊轉行
07/22 07:49, 110F
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07/22 07:50, 3年前 , 111F
洪教練跟大家講，小學生就該立定志向，不行就該走
07/22 07:50, 111F
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07/22 07:50, 3年前 , 112F
洪教練是不是這個意思？哈哈
07/22 07:50, 112F
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07/22 07:50, 3年前 , 113F
10~12歲就要想清楚你要幹嘛 XD
07/22 07:50, 113F
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07/22 08:05, 3年前 , 114F
小學比賽一節6分鐘，每個球員最多只能打兩節
07/22 08:05, 114F
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07/22 08:08, 3年前 , 115F
對北投替補球員來說是難得發揮的機會吧
07/22 08:08, 115F
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07/22 08:09, 3年前 , 116F
假設平常只練包夾突然要換也很突然
07/22 08:09, 116F
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07/22 08:11, 3年前 , 117F
也沒必要把小孩心態想這麼玻璃
07/22 08:11, 117F
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07/22 08:11, 3年前 , 118F
我先解釋你不懂的地方給你聽
07/22 08:11, 118F
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07/22 08:11, 3年前 , 119F
防守者跟進攻者要站在同一側
07/22 08:11, 119F
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07/22 08:12, 3年前 , 120F
因為實力不濟被虐就不喜歡打球那不打也罷吧
07/22 08:12, 120F
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07/22 08:13, 3年前 , 121F
意思是必須要積極回防，不鼓勵利用對手非受迫性失誤
07/22 08:13, 121F
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07/22 08:13, 3年前 , 122F
或是投籃沒進而長傳打快攻
07/22 08:13, 122F
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07/22 08:24, 3年前 , 123F
小學生不靠籃球吃飯，但教練靠籃球吃飯。球員就認
07/22 08:24, 123F
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07/22 08:24, 3年前 , 124F
分乖乖聽教練的，不然我教練被炒責任你學生扛啊？
07/22 08:24, 124F
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07/22 08:46, 3年前 , 125F
推找資料，那你知道小六是12歲嗎
07/22 08:46, 125F
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07/22 09:06, 3年前 , 126F
籃協連個歸化都搞不定覺得會在意這個？
07/22 09:06, 126F
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07/22 09:20, 3年前 , 127F
講的好像北投每一場都包夾壓迫到底一樣
07/22 09:20, 127F
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07/22 09:50, 3年前 , 128F
不覺得這議題吵越久反而讓小朋友傷害更深嗎
07/22 09:50, 128F
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07/22 09:57, 3年前 , 129F
所以美國真的是籃球大國，想法與制度非常完善
07/22 09:57, 129F
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07/22 09:59, 3年前 , 130F
如果美國可以壓迫 台灣規定不行 風向又不同了XD
07/22 09:59, 130F
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07/22 10:04, 3年前 , 131F
如果nba比sbl爛 風向的確會不同啦 如果
07/22 10:04, 131F
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07/22 10:05, 3年前 , 132F
如果洪是美國籃協理事長 我相信美國都可以盡情壓迫
07/22 10:05, 132F
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07/22 10:05, 3年前 , 133F
07/22 10:05, 133F
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07/22 10:05, 3年前 , 134F
會變成美國可壓迫競爭力強 台灣關起門來自爽XD
07/22 10:05, 134F
噓
07/22 10:08, 3年前 , 135F
沒寫在規則裡 一堆人要洪遵守是怎樣
07/22 10:08, 135F
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07/22 10:12, 3年前 , 136F
有人崩潰就表示這議題踩到痛處了 XD
07/22 10:12, 136F
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07/22 10:22, 3年前 , 137F
因為不在規則裡，才來討論，看主管單位要不要接招
07/22 10:22, 137F
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07/22 10:44, 3年前 , 138F
所有人都知道，要改變環境有多難，改變自己去適應
07/22 10:44, 138F
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07/22 10:44, 3年前 , 139F
環境會快很多，如果覺得小孩有天份，就盡快送到適合
07/22 10:44, 139F
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07/22 10:44, 3年前 , 140F
的環境中，看看多少發光發熱的國人，基本都不在國
07/22 10:44, 140F
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07/22 10:44, 3年前 , 141F
內環境下發光。
07/22 10:44, 141F
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07/22 11:27, 3年前 , 142F
推原po找資料討論~
07/22 11:27, 142F
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07/22 12:44, 3年前 , 143F
等臺灣確定有規則再說吧，不然現在洪也沒錯啊
07/22 12:44, 143F
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07/22 14:37, 3年前 , 144F
有些聯盟grade7-8領先10分以上禁用全場壓 想想gra
07/22 14:37, 144F
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07/22 14:37, 3年前 , 145F
de 8都中二了 XD
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