[情報] 高雄聖徒隊的真面目！？

看板basketballTW作者 (九把大刀)時間7年前 (2016/12/28 19:46), 7年前編輯推噓27(29推 2噓 55→)
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原文來自於Under The Hoop #0 籃球專欄 READ THIS MESSAGE THIS IS THE TRUTH! I had a business meeting with the Kaohsiu ng Truth ownership on 12-15-2016. At this meeting was Wesley Hsu, his Wife Hol ly Hsu and Carlos Andrade, my Wife and an unnamed official from Taiwan Basketb all. We talked about a lot of issues mostly how their team has a lot of proble ms at the moment from having no sponsors, why Coach Tryston was really fired, and also speculation that the local Taiwanese players are not getting paid as well as they are not receiving playing time! 這才是高雄聖徒隊的真面目！我於12月15日和高雄聖徒隊的負責人會面，其中包括許夢華 Wesley Hsu和他的太太 Holly Hsu，以及張可群 Carlos Andrade。我們提到了許多他們 現在面臨的許多問題，包括尋找贊助商、為什麼前任總教練 Coach Tryston 於球季中途 離開、外界種種財務上的猜測、以及外籍和台灣本土球員於球賽的上場時間分配。 At this meeting I brought up several issues such as mixing religion with baske tball. The Kaohsiung Truth Organization wants the Taiwan local public and medi a to believe that they are here in Taiwan to preach the word of God and play b asketball when this is clearly not the case! The fact is that the Kaohsiung Tr uth Organization are here in Taiwan because they are a organized group of conn ected players that are using their statues as American Born Chinese players to come over to Kaohsiung Taiwan and start a basketball team while also keeping their connection of players in tact for the future! The local Taiwanese player s are nothing more than pawns in a game used to meet the eligibility requireme nts issued by the Asean Basketball League. 在這次面談中，我提出幾個關於高雄聖徒籃球隊與其宗教信仰之間所產生的問題。高雄聖 徒籃球隊想要給外界一個他們是來宣傳神的旨意的籃球隊，但是事實卻不是如此。事實是 ，高雄聖徒籃球隊只是一群仗著自己擁有華裔球員身分的籃球員因為想要繼續打球而組成 的球隊，為了繼續維持他們在籃球界的人脈。而目前在球隊裡的台灣本土球員只是讓他們 為了能夠加入東南亞職業籃球聯賽 ASEAN Basketball League的一點籌碼而已。 I looked Wesley Hsu and Holly Hsu right in their eyes and told them, " I am in the community more than you, and I even told them if they are here in Taiwan to truly help the Taiwanese locals and kids that I could help them gain some r espect in the community among Taiwanese locals and share some resources. 那天，我對許夢華 Wesley Hsu和他的太太 Holly Hsu說：「我一直以來都在高雄的籃球 社群裡付出，如果他們是真心想要回饋高雄的籃球文化，我願意把我的資源分享給他們， 讓高雄聖徒籃球隊可以在高雄增加一些人氣和粉絲。」 Over the next couple of days as you can see from the text I helped to arrange meetings with a Well Known Sports Brand Representative as well as discuss busi ness with a friend of mine in order to help Carlos Andrade and the Kaohsiung T ruth with a order of basketball jerseys for their next game! 16 Jerseys to be exact. I told Wesley Hsu that I have 2 pair of well known basketball shoes in which Wesley turned around and "said if I could find him a pair of the same sh oes that he would appreciate it! I helped to facilitate that as well as you ca n see in the text. 這次面談之後的幾天，你可以從我的通聯記錄裡看到我積極地幫高雄聖徒籃球隊與知名運 動品牌安排會面的機會，並協助接洽聯絡訂製高雄聖徒籃球隊16件球衣和提供許夢華 Wes ley Hsu想要球鞋的訂購資訊。 They then took some of the information I gave them and used it for their own b enefit and to make their situation better! Look at the text message between me and Holly Hsu and the actual date that The Kaohsiung Truth Organization went to the public basketball court by Kaohsiung Martial Art Center 高雄市青少年籃 球場 and played basketball with local Taiwanese kids in an attempt to gain sup port in the community! They used local Taiwanese kids for their own personal g lory and monetary gain! 面談中，他們告訴我他們不知道怎麼接觸到高雄在地的籃球人，我和他們分享我自己在高 雄的籃球的經歷，我和他們分享我如何接觸到高雄的在地人，他們利用我們之間的談話內 容，變成他們自己的賺錢、得到知名度的方式。 This is a snake move! To use my information and then not give thanks or acknow ledge that it was I who gave you the idea is a coward move! HolIy Hsu will pre tend to be sad and like she is handling all of the daily business. Wesley will pretend to be a religious well spoken gentleman who not only plays but owns t he team for him and his connection of friends! He will also say he put up equi ty in his house to help start the team and even might tell you a story about h is inheritance. Carlos will pretend to be the guy in the background that is ju st a team player and is soft spoken! But this does not take away from what the y really are, "Con Artists with a smile and a basketball!" 這是一個很沒有道德的行為，利用我的經驗變成他們鑽取利益的一種方式，但我卻沒有得 到任何感謝或尊重。Holly Hsu 不斷的和我說他對於球隊的能不能經營地下去很苦惱，許 夢華 Wesley Hsu 告訴我身為球員兼老闆他是一個多麼虔誠的基督教徒，還為了這個球隊 把他的房子拿去貸款，而張可群 Carlos Andrade 卻只是在背後，知道很多內情但是卻不 願意站出來。他們是一群帶著笑容和籃球，卻以花言巧语骗人的人。 My team of resources spent days trying to help the Truth Organization from tra nslating important information to setting up meetings with sponsors all the wa y to explaining to the Truth Organization the value of setting up a basic foun dation so that not only this generation of kids will prosper but the next gene ration of kids 10-15 years down the line will have a chance to showcase their talent, free of having to be connected to a organized group of players, corrup tion, and under the table side deals that only benefit themselves and their ag endas! Once again we were turned down! 我和我的球隊，以及台灣當地的籃球聯盟在接下來的幾天運用我們的資源只是為了提供高 雄聖徒籃球隊一點協助和可能的贊助機會，我們也清楚得溝通這些機會的重要性，以及我 們要放眼籃球的未來，現在的10-15歲孩子會是未來之星，讓他們能夠正確的學習籃球基 礎，讓這些孩子有一個健康、安全、又可以發展潛力的籃球舞台，跳脫台灣籃球文化那種 靠關係、私相授受的利益關係！但是，高雄聖徒籃球隊一概拒絕了我們的任何幫忙！ In conclusion, I was not imported here to Taiwan to play basketball I chose to come here because my wife is Taiwanese so I have a totally different perspect ive about what is going on over here in Taiwan Basketball! What I have laid ou t are facts supported by clear evidence that millions of basketball players in Taiwan and across the world have a right to know! Taiwan Basketball is being controlled by a selected few that will cheat, lie and are corrupting this gene ration of good Taiwanese players and the next generation of great Taiwanese pl ayers to come for their own benefit and glory! Local Taiwanese ask yourself, y our kid maybe practicing his or her heart out on a city court right now! They could be the next Lebron James, Kobe Bryant or Stephen Curry! But because they are not known or affiliated with a organized or connected group of players an d the coaches are being controlled by parents or companies that pay money for what players they want on the team, this talented kid on the court right now i n Taiwan will never be given a chance to shine! Local Taiwanese ask yourself, how many players that you personally know that are better than some of these p layers in High School, College, SBL, and ABL? Taiwanese locals it's time to st ep up and let your voice be heard. This type of known behavior is unacceptable and millions of local Taiwanese talk about it everyday but feel they have no voice to make a change! I am just making the country of Taiwan and the World a ware of what is going on here and what has been going on for years! This is th e Truth of what is going on here in Taiwan. Taiwanese let your voice be heard, tell your basketball experience and Truth! 我並不是為了籃球而來到台灣，我是為了我的台灣太太而搬到地球的另一邊，所以對於台 灣的籃球文化，我和其他外籍球員有完全不一樣的看法。我希望掀開台灣籃球的現實面， 公開給所有的人，因為每一個人都擁有知道真相的權利。目前的台灣籃球文化是由少數人 掌控，為了他們自己的利益而荼毒我們下一代的籃球未來之星。台灣人，問問你自己，你 會希望讓你的孩子面對這個只有給少數有利益關係的人機會的世界嗎？你的孩子可能在球 場上很有潛能，可以打進NBA或成為新時代的林書豪、Lebron、Curry、Kobe，但是卻沒有 人給予任何機會，而斷送籃球前途。我希望可以借用這個平台，改變台灣現在的籃球文化 ，借用大家的力量變成行動力，因為要改變這個長久以來扭曲變形的籃球文化需要所有台 灣人民的支持！這個才是台灣籃球的真面目！讓我們一起努力，把我們的聲音變成改變的 動力！告訴我你的籃球故事吧！ 難道我期待這麼久的台灣職業籃球隊真的如此的黑暗！？ https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1692063561106116&id=16274349409023 12 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 60.245.65.182 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/basketballTW/M.1482925565.A.D6B.html ※ 編輯: a58976584 (60.245.65.182), 12/28/2016 19:50:42
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請補上作者及來源喔
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已補
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作者是? 而且他說的內容其實也沒怎樣阿....
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聖徒的確拿了宗教電台的錢 但不是為了上帝打球而是賺錢
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雖然掛名高雄 但主要管理層都是華裔也是事實
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但這有啥好黑暗的? 如果他們真的只想賺錢 搞聖徒絕對是
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一個蠢爆的投資
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無論是出於想要打職業比賽的私心還是賺錢 聖徒還是提供
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了台灣籃球另一種職業化的可能 這又有啥好黑暗的?
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你要刪就直接刪 不要搞得我好像重覆發言....
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我沒有在刪，我只是在用連結問題，連結一直無法搞定
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goo.gl/zcj6Bs 貼短網址就好了阿? 另外我看你連結還是
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不知道作者是誰? 是教會的人?
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我只是在FB看到他的文章，他也允許分享，只是沒說出他是誰
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所以呢? 那也沒甚麼 私下地自行解決 我們是球迷看球
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簡單來說聖徒打ABL只是那些華裔球員想繼續在台灣打球
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的私心而已，然後剛好有錢原本的電臺又贊助，但是後來
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電臺不贊助了隊長只好自己當CEO但是他們把職業球隊想得
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太簡單導致目前一團亂
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"用我的經驗變成他們鑽取利益的一種方式" 最關鍵的部
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分並沒有講清楚是怎麼回事，作者是認為自己不夠尊重
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或是沒有得到應有報酬? 至於以宗教為名，讓在SBL打不
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上球的球員有繼續比賽的舞台，這點大家本來就都知道了
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說黑暗倒不至於，只是球隊的管理跟很多層面上出現很大
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的問題
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電台不贊助了也太慘 那中文隊名也可以改了XD
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作者是誰？所以粉絲頁就代表作者？
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電臺不贊助只是我猜的啦… 因為內文說隊長把房子拿去貸
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款，基本上除非是沒贊助了不然不會把自己搞成這樣吧…
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而且之前的貼文隊長是兼CEO啊...
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暫時無法評論，撰文者似乎是K（高雄）BL的外國球員
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有高雄的大大知道他是誰嘛？聖徒感覺有問題，不過
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不知道跟他說的一部一樣。好想知道啊啊啊
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台灣搞運動要賺錢幾乎不可能 其實
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哪裡黑 某人心黑黑倒是真的
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樓上有掛？
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打從聖徒隊的消息出來大概就知道沒什麼好事..
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不會有人想在台灣靠組籃球隊賺錢
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噓
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欠噓 都知道人家已經壓身家(抵押房子)了 ......
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還質疑人家想賺錢...弄"職業"隊 想賺錢有什麼不對
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還擔心你們賺不到錢撐不久哩........
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宗教早就不贊助了
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壓身家不想辦法拿回來是做公益嗎 想賺錢搞球隊...
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理念不合 要撤贊助 沒人會說話 但放這種黑槍.......
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是我閱讀能力不好嗎？我看不出來聖徒隊到底做了什麼不道
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德還是其他有爭議的事，要爆掛也爆完整一點
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我也是看不出有什麼黑欸XD
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靜觀其變吧？我覺得可能還有八卦
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看不懂哪裡黑
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其實沒人在意這隊啦 球員球都運不過半場沒啥好看
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系隊水準還想賣票打跨國比賽賺錢？
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高師大出去打也比這個聖徒隊強
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作者是打高雄ㄧ支JFF的隊伍 上季打TB工藝聯賽
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也不能說黑啦，但是目前整支球隊的走向，大概跟"高雄"
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扯不上什麼關係，畢竟現在完全以華裔球員為主。
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特別總經理jeff應該是球隊原本最了解臺灣狀況的人，但
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他好像在第一場比賽之後，也被逼得離開了。現在似乎內
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部處理都由華裔球員為主，感覺球隊裡的臺灣本土球員有
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被邊緣化的趨勢……
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說要推廣台灣籃球，但看看本土球員可憐的出場時間，加上每
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場簽一些免洗洋將，這對當初參加測試的球員公平嗎
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我也認為不公平，以傳教為藉口創立這支球隊，可是卻只是想讓自己打球，也不為球隊出 一份力。這些華裔的能力其實到了SBL都不太能生存下去，我也不認為那些參加測試的球 員能力會比張可群等華裔還差，為什麼他們可以在能力不及他人的情況下，佔用大部分的 上場時間呢？
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連Jeff都離開了 看來這支球隊離解散不遠矣
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Jeff是創辦人應該不太可能會離開吧，本土球員水平就是
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那樣其實後面幾場時間有比較多了
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Jeff沒跟去菲律賓是因為他孩子剛出生沒幾天吧
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其實聖徒為什麼不找一些退役還能打的 毛 群峰之類的
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據我了解，是已經離開了，有可能球隊近期就會公佈了。
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創辦人都離開了這球隊真的xd
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準備dismiss了 看這支球隊還不如看金酒台銀打球
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李偉名上場時機滿多的吧！是因為要帶學校大專盃沒隨隊
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所以後來沒上，駱跟張也越上越多了。除了Andrade其他
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位置也還打的可以，雖然各有優缺點，但是才幾場調度也
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還在熟悉覺得還在可以接受範圍內。之後就看山眉教練要
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不要下去打了XD
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低水準球隊
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12/29 17:25, , 74F
張可群能上那麼久很難不聯想到是想自己打球組球隊xd，
12/29 17:25, 74F
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12/29 17:25, , 75F
防守被菲律賓parks吃爆攻擊也不行，籃板也悲劇
12/29 17:25, 75F
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12/29 18:21, , 76F
我覺得可以觀察看看，不過球隊內部確實存在一些不協調
12/29 18:21, 76F
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12/29 18:21, , 77F
的問題。不過我還是認為台灣有球隊前進ABL是一項正確的
12/29 18:21, 77F
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12/29 18:22, , 78F
方向與路線。
12/29 18:22, 78F
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12/29 18:23, , 79F
不論聖徒成功或失敗，台灣還是可以有其他球隊嘗試
12/29 18:23, 79F
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12/29 18:32, , 80F
聖徒如果不找大一點的贊助商感覺很難撐下去
12/29 18:32, 80F
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12/29 18:34, , 81F
球隊實力跟成績倒是其次，但一個球隊比賽場館、轉播單位
12/29 18:34, 81F
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12/29 18:34, , 82F
跟球員名單一變再變，代表球隊根本沒有一個系統。那當初
12/29 18:34, 82F
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12/29 18:34, , 83F
還辦一個測試會幹嘛
12/29 18:34, 83F
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12/29 19:22, , 84F
其實本土球員沒有變動主要是東南亞外援跟混血球員加入
12/29 19:22, 84F
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12/29 19:23, , 85F
想爆料也要講清楚啊，上場時間這種內部問題算不上什麼
12/29 19:23, 85F
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12/29 19:23, , 86F
黑暗吧...
12/29 19:23, 86F
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