[新聞] Preliminary ESF reaction in fomos arti

看板StarCraft作者 (乳乳)時間11年前 (2012/10/18 17:06), 編輯推噓61(61推 0噓 37→)
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A Fomos article has what appears to be a preliminary statement from eSF chair Mr. Won (also Startale head coach). It seems unlikely that this is all the eSF has to say, and more will probably follow. But for now, here are the statements from the Fomos article 協面方會也有話想要說 "We have things to say as well... ...we admit to a degree that there was friction with SlayerS, but it's not something over a couple of days, so if one side comes out emotionally, the problem can't help but expand. It's unfortunate that this situation occurred." "If we really wanted to ostracize SlayerS, we could have excluded them very thoroughly, but that's not the case at all. Instead, we did a lot together, and worked to treat them the same as other teams even though they were not part of the federation... ...there was a time where [players were] ordered not to practice [with SlayerS players], but it was only for a short period. There is no ban now. At the time, SlayerS kept acting selfishly, so the teams had no choice but to cooperate and penalize them." "嗯我們也想出來澄清一些事情...." "我們承認之前真的跟Slayers有些可愛的小摩擦，但那只持續幾天而已" "只要有一方開始情緒化的話這事情就會鬧得更大，很遺憾他真的發生了。" 協會會長，同時也是ST教練的Won表示 "如果我們真的想要抵制Slayers，我們根本可以直接讓他們被排除在外。" "但我們根本不想這麼做。" "實際上我們一起努力了很多，即使他們不是協會的成員之一我們還是像對其他 的隊伍一樣對他們。" "對，之前真的有一段時間是禁止選手跟它們練習的。但只有短短一下子的時間而已" "現在早已經沒有任何的限制。" "但那之後Slayers繼續表現的很自私，所以其他隊也決定要聯合起來對它們有所懲罰。" 以上是協會的會長同時也是ST教練的Won的發言 接下來讓我們看看包嫂的發言 It was temporary? The NASL Season 3 Finals were in July. [Note: She may mean Season 1 or Season 2, given the other dates in the post] The penalty on our team started after the preliminaries [Note: she may mean regular season] were over, so it must have began at latest by June? Maybe even before then, but I forget the exact date when the preliminaries ended. NASL第三季的決賽是在七月，(他應該是說season 1 or season 2)而抵制我們的行為 是在NASL的季賽之前就發生了，所以至少是在六月就開始了。 I knew that it was refusal to practice, but I didn't think it would be so severe. I decided that I couldn't just let it be, and went to talk to coach Won about the serious ostracizing problem in December of last year (we moved the team house on Dec 28th, and I met him in Yeo-ui-Do where our team house was then). There, I first informed him of our team's stance. You told me without shame, that it's cheap of you to do so, but you would resort to it to sanction SlayerS. I couldn't get you to remove the ban, and I continued to appeal it after we moved our team house. 我之前就知道你們有要這麼做，但我不知道會這麼嚴重。 後來我決定不能坐以待斃，所以去年12月的時候我去找Coach Won談抵制Slayers的事。 你很機車的跟我說你要抵制我們太容易了，但你會考慮讓我們加入協會。 我沒辦法讓你停止抵銷，一直到我們戰隊搬家後我也一直在嘗試。 In February, Ryung needed to prepare for a TvT, but I heard that he couldn't find any Terrans. (At the time, Genius had practiced with MMA for the semi-finals, but when Ryung asked MVP players for practice in TvT, he couldn't get help). Our team's Terrans had a lot of different things on the schedule, so I told him to practice with his friends on other teams, but I learned that we were still being ostracized and banned from practice. I gave final notice to Mr. Won who as at tournament in the USA at that time, and I finally received an email on March 7th that it had been lifted. 二月的時候，Ryung需要準備TVT的比賽，但我聽說他找不到任何一個T玩家。(那時 Genius有幫MMA準備半決賽，但Ryung問MVP戰隊的T選手有沒有人要幫他練習卻一個 都沒有。) 剛好我們隊上的T都很忙，每個人的schedule都很滿，所以我叫他去找別的戰隊 的朋友練習，但最後我發現我們還是被抵制中! 我去跟Coach Won下了最後通牒，那時他人在美國的比賽。 他終於寄了email給我跟我說3/7抵制會解除。 Temporary? That's at least 10 months by rudimentary calculation. 這叫做很短的時間?? 這樣算下來至少有十個月!! Do you want me to reveal the truth? Head Coach Won. I told you clearly, it was something that a Startale player told one of our players very recently. For whatever reason, acting like a bully can't be forgiven. 你希望我揭發真相嗎? 親愛的COach Won，我說了，這是某個ST的隊員最近才跟我 說的。 不管怎樣，你這種吃像真的讓人非常不爽。 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376041 這篇沒OP吧? -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.120.203.42
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FA 怎麼還是25PPPPP
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對，之前真的有一段時間是禁止選手跟它們練習的。
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幹 你這樣害我想去買飯來配著看 可是太早了還不餓
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真是輕描淡寫帶過
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新聞最多25P
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可愛的小摩擦是沙小 情侶喔
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感覺包嫂戰力有夠高的
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只要是新聞都是25P 建議趕快看破XD
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協會這有說跟沒說不是差不多
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看到現在協會方跟選手方根本慘敗 不知道有沒有逆轉的
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機會
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要爆發出來了 要配雞排惹QQ 下一篇是誰要說話了呢
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剛剛漏看一段 ※ 編輯: allqwdd 來自: 140.120.203.42 (10/18 17:12)
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包嫂全面爆發
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今日GSL比賽暫停 改上演星海人生
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包嫂根本豁出去了吧 XD
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也太精采 可以考慮拍電影
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某個ST隊員說的 ST_ACE? 哈
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ST的ACE今天才發表文章聲援包嫂
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人斧哥有情有義
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Slayers是做了甚麼讓其他隊伍想抵制啊? 有人知道嗎?
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包嫂真神坦目前群坦坦很穩 不知道是先倒坦 還是BOSS先陣亡
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戰隊都GG了 乾脆豁出去阿 科科
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包嫂這邊應該是握有不少被抵制的證據才敢這麼衝吧
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反正包哥已經入主SKT1 在GSL已經開無敵了
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忌妒還有不加入協會的關係吧...包哥隊伍太強人才多贊助多
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st教練好**喔 包嫂應該把每次都對話都錄音起來 很可惜沒有
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王牌Boxer都還沒出來說話就打得協會哇哇叫了..
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但關鍵人物J經理和MMA都還沒踹共啊～～
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"某個ST的成員跟我說的" 該不會又是ACE XD
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版標很潮
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真‧星海人生續　　快一面倒了　到底會不會峰迴路轉呢
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Slayers感覺內外交困啊....被玩死了
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某個ST成員，教練表示：ACE是你？
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包哥動態: 幫太子想戰術中
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反正到時候就是咖斯趴 VS GSL的戰爭了
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ACE現在正在被吊起來審問是否為包嫂的臥底XDDD
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找寶傑團隊來播精采程度加倍XD
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10個月很短啊 牙一咬就過了 ^.<
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Slayers是死了啊 然後包嫂爆發了
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星海人生太精采了 teamliquid 我現在進不去了 > <
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看來ST這週要繼續拿亞軍了
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TL又不是批踢踢，哪可能這樣進不去。我這邊是正常
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看看這些協會的嘴臉阿 嘖嘖 包哥包嫂加油
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有種直覺 就是squirtle
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小色有發表對這事件的看法
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kespa表示:
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狗咬狗一嘴毛
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臥底的人腐哥自己現身了! 所以包嫂不用再保護證人了~
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明眼人如我看就知道 是包哥戰隊本身的問題吧
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MC一人戰隊都不怕沒人練習了 也沒人會去抵制MC ..
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人與人偶有摩擦
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...下面滿滿的鬼手輝求戰約時間XD
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MC前幾天才在說他在找人練習上很困擾耶 唉唉加油好嗎
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MC不怕沒人練習? 他前幾篇才說找人練習很困難
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ACE:我最愛的電影是無間道 偶像是梁朝偉
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我決定全面倒向Kespa
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MC那篇又不是說啥被抵制 就關鍵時刻找人困難而已
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結果主題是鬼手輝求戰
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奈奈最近一直反串被打臉QQ...
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mc自己不找台灣選手跟她練習的 台灣選手都很樂意跟mc私下練
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習吧
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APM看來是不想被人生系列搶去風采 趕緊出來賣萌搶點版面
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有精彩的電競人生誰想看諧星反串 XD
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趕快功夫杯小色vs鬼手輝開打啊XDD
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感覺包嫂回應的很奇怪 NASL3是今年的事怎麼去年12月就知道
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如果加上預賽時間是12月底或年初 到現在是10個月差不多
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那提2月的阿勇的例子來舉例說有10個月很怪阿
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結果每個韓國選手開始找TESL各種練習, 從此我們開始提升(略
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只能找Z 找P練他們會覺得天下無敵然後上去被放個4BG就掛了
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包哥包嫂打一個雙線,一個捧Kespa一個攪破GSL,看懂了嗎?
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好爽 Won被Ace釣起來了
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如果其他戰隊不找slayers對練 那不陪slayers練有差嗎?
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原文有說啊，包嫂應該是記錯吧
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包嫂根本超會戰 韓國八卦版出來的嗎?
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根本不下呂布
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韓國女人是很兇悍的XDDDD
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包嫂只要把GSL全部都拖下水來攪,就完成包哥最後的任務了
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包嫂應該每天戰才有這種功力吧XDDDDDD
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協會又沒差，整個S戰隊都被他們打爆了，他們才是贏家
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包嫂很會戰阿 當初還差點要告某些激進粉絲不是嗎
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包嫂不是常常跟粉絲戰嗎 天天磨練很強的XD
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包嫂只能放話打嘴炮發洩一下而已，不管真相如何，他們
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只好拜託KESPA跟GSL全面開戰了 不然非韓怎麼玩啊 @@
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目前徹底輸了
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剛剛有人提醒後才發現很多地方看太快看錯，跟各位版友
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說聲抱歉
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有包哥當招牌..他們才不敢踢SLAYERS出去吧..
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還真精彩0.0
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既然都有mail了...拿出來就一招斃命了吧? XD
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至少我們知道Alicia這點沒有唬爛 包嫂戰力果然一流
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包嫂守住協會的一波，現在反推一波出去
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包嫂目前能量滿滿 就看EMP有沒有打準了
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包嫂戰力無極限..
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真是兇悍 XD
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MC朋友很多 不缺人
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包嫂：老娘不玩了，要搞大家一起來搞啊ˋ皿ˊ
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惹神惹鬼惹到包嫂 要滅團了
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