[新聞] 大衛金對tvz平衡的一些看法

看板StarCraft作者 (凜)時間13年前 (2012/09/01 00:37), 編輯推噓46(61推 15噓 36→)
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我就大致翻翻大意就好 有些地方卡卡還請見諒 http://tinyurl.com/95s859p Situation Report: August 31, 2012 by David Kim 31 Aug 2012 17:00 BST A few weeks ago, we asked you to join us in testing a few proposed balance tweaks for StarCraft II. At the time, we felt like terran performance versus zerg (at the pro level) needed some attention. You responded with a lot of testing and good feedback. 在幾周前的一些測試，我們發現職業的TvZ需要更加注意 Since we began this testing, we’ve also been paying very close attention to the major tournaments around the world, and we’ve noticed that terran performance in the TvZ matchup has improved. In analyzing tournaments such as Global StarCraft II Team League, Intel Extreme Masters, and Major League Gaming, we’re no longer seeing the same balance shifts that caused us to propose changes in the first place. The most interesting tournament in this context was the IEM at gamescom 2012 in Cologne, Germany, where we saw players such as Kas and MVP make use of Ravens in ways that held a lot of potential. 測試同時，我們也非常專注世界各大比賽並發現TvZ比賽已經進化了 像GSL,IEM,MLG，我們不再看到一成不變的平衡使我們要去做調整 最有趣的~ 在IEM科隆站我們看到Kas和MVP使用渡鴨 使比賽產生更多可能性 We feel that at this time, we should give players more opportunities to fully explore the slowly-shifting meta-game before we change the balance of the game. We’re seeing a lot more players starting to explore Ravens, and we’d like to see exactly how that goes before making any decisions on balance. The TvZ win ratio has somewhat shifted toward terran, calling a nerf to creep tumor into question. 我們覺得此時應該要給選手更多機會自己去探索 而不是我們來改平衡 我們注意到很多選手開始研究渡鴨 這正是我們所樂見的 而TvZ勝率有些傾向T 使我們對nerf蟲胎瘤表示懷疑 This is the first time that we’ve planned for an adjustment, and then observed a change in the meta-game that could impact our decision. That doesn ’t lead us to the conclusion that there is nothing that needs to be adjusted, but rather, it’s a chance for us to carefully consider other things. When we see that balance is changing on its own, we prefer to continue monitoring the situation and see where the performance of the different matchups settles before we step in. Overall, the balance we’re seeing at the tournament level looks pretty good right now, and we will continue to watch the meta-game closely, and read your suggestions. 這是我們第一次計畫先作一個調整， 然後觀察它對遊戲的改變，這會影響我們的決定 這讓我們有機會更謹慎地去思考 而不是被引導到不用更動的結論 當我們看見平衡自己在改變 我們選擇靜觀其變 總之 我們覺得職業比賽現在看起來很平衡 我們也會繼續觀察比賽並閱讀你們的建議的 -- 結論：現在TvZ很平衡 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 36.239.207.201
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罪人 MVP
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Z開始裝弱了
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沒MVP T早就buff上天
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其實現在職業表面看起來是蠻平衡的.. Taeja勾帶
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恐怖平衡
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真開心^^
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Taeja毀滅人族XD
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他完全忽視P這個種族嗎?
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蟲胎要改改縮小的速度就好了
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不過David Kim的判斷....還是不要期待他會做什麼好事
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原來這就是為什麼雀茶打得Kas跟狗屎一樣，懂了
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TVP勒....
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tvp咧.....我都被鬼子啾啾啾死了....
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PTT第一次噓文 噓平衡
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不敢提TvP
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他倒底轉P多久了 現在都沒再提P了
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死光頭
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光頭是dustin
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要噓也要噓對人
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那也要大家都是職業才平衡阿
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P都被忽略了 趕快BUFF P吧QQ(????
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噓 bigfish0330:死光頭 <=====XDDDDDDDDDD
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太爽了 還是TIMBA Z又可以BUFF了
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David Kim 北七
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TVP勒 幹
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P已經被野放了吧 星海只剩TZ
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Z拉一沱往前a就好,T要架坦克打針散槍兵,打得有來有回真平衡
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MVP出渡鴉那場該不會是跟雀茶的"表演賽"吧?
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我用渡鴉被幹成馬 是Mvp那種怪獸才用得起得好嗎
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樓上太中肯了...
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不buff T/nerf Z TvZ會平衡的話我請樓下十樓吃麥當勞啦幹
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渡鴨可以在會戰活超過一秒我隨便你....
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會說Z只要A的人真的有玩過Z嗎
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不是職業怎麼平衡…無法知道是玩家強弱還是種族因素啊
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排隊
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兩族只要A過去就可以爆兵 T前線就要操作半天才打的有來有回
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T每次都被少數兩三人搞到不能BUFF ，前有3M，後有太甲
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但是還是高手都玩T
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幹 麥當勞++
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還有 33 則推文
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T imba
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時代已經過了
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虛爆你 David
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馬上就會
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p就是天龍國 tz就像高雄台中在搶第二首都
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r是不爭的台南
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飛到國外了，你們慢慢打
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之前看天梯平衡要哭 現在看職業平衡也要哭~
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Dustin:ZZZZZZZZZealot A過去 潮爽得~~
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Kas都能虐雀茶 高手都玩T^^
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Kas還虐Symbol呢 雖然可能是因為lag
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Kas連過mana跟Symbol啊XD 不過後兩位打的時候都在韓國
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PIMBA
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都給P贏就好了呀 爛遊戲
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推翻譯噓光頭~~~
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BUFF PZ 還敢穿T的衣服
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哈哈
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普通玩家的平衡到了職業手中又是另一種面貌了
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一般玩家平衡職業玩家可能就要一面倒
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很久以前他們就講過是以高端來修改
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..平衡個雕 明明就Zimba
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一堆對遊戲理解不足也缺乏精確統計數據的鍵宗又在哭么了
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喊P的是認真還反串
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ZIMBA
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幹
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幹 T一般玩家情何以堪
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TvZ勝率有些傾向T .. WTF?
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媽的被ZP A過去就是不爽 主力要操作 出門沒注意就全倒
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家裡要顧營運 還要一直空投 不然就是穩穩的死 幹
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不爽不會轉PZ喔 這麼好A你也來A阿
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樓上不要這樣 你讓那些玩T的高手情何以堪
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總算能說不爽不會轉族玩!
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勝率很明顯的說明一切 T得了便宜還賣乖
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本來就得便宜賣乖啊！當初超不平衡，現在平衡就在哭了，哈
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從82開變64開還是會哭哭阿
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S級還是T最多哩
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再怎麼不平衡也沒看過82開的 造假數據很有成就感?
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82開勒，你乾脆說遇到T你就GG算了
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反正天梯T虐PZ虐爽爽 現在只是高端T輸沒面子而已
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樓上的邏輯真是怪的可以
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