[戰術] Spanishiwa's No Gas ZvP(下篇)

看板StarCraft作者 (貓龍)時間13年前 (2011/04/18 22:46), 編輯推噓18(18012)
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我覺得他對4BG的講解有點怪 Puser說說看 4媽媽+5地刺真的守得住4BG? 題外話: 居然有人跟我一起翻譯... 也是可以拉XD 那我只好........之後發VOD了! 之後=很久很久很久很久以後XD ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- A key thing to note: I don't like to spread overlords (except my first 1-3ish) with this until I have, or have started/will start overlord speed, because there is a scouting blindness where you won't be able to tell if he's going stargate play or not. If he is, and you have spread out overlords.. chances are you could be set too far behind. It's not really a big deal anyway, as there's not much the overlords would scout that early in the game regardless (they can't even poop out creep to deny an expansion). 一個關鍵:除了頭1-3隻王蟲之外,到我開始提王蟲速度為止,我不喜歡把王蟲散開。 因為這時候是偵查盲點,你不知道P是否要走VS線。如果他真的下VS而你又把王蟲散得 很開....散王蟲將冒著落後P非常多的風險。但散王蟲與否其實不是什麼重要的事,因 為早期你不需要那麼多王蟲去偵查,你送出去的王蟲甚至不能拉屎來阻止對方開礦, 何必送出去呢? Things to watch out for: 1 base DT is pretty eh, but if you wall your ramp with queens/drones you'll be able to stall for lair tech. It's actually pretty simple, you just buy time by hold positioning drones and transfusing queens. A spore at the top of the ramp and maybe one in the main mineral line is all you need. If he focusses your natural hatchery, you can just throw down some panic spores and transfuse to save it. If he focusses your queens, well to be honest they've already pooped out their creep tumors so they've done their job and are expendable. Just transfuse what you can, and try to mess up DT ai as you can with drones. It'll be a pretty easy win, because even if you take heavy losses he's just on one base and he can't really attack because you have spines (by deductive reasoning: if you thought he was doing air, you'd have spores and thus DTs would be nullified. Only way DT would catch you off guard is if you misread DTs as a 3 gate expand or 4 gate, and in either case you'd have 3 or more spines as previously discussed). 最需要注意的事情 單礦速DT 這真的是!#$#^#%&^*,但如果你用后蟲和工蟲把斜坡封死,你絕對可以撐到 二本好。對付這個很簡單,就是用媽媽輸血拖時間,只要在斜坡上方蓋一個孢子爬行蟲, 有可能需要多蓋一個在主礦,如果他集火打你二礦,就把可憐的孢子爬行蟲蓋在二礦,記 得完成時幫他補血,如果他點你后蟲,恩....這隻已經放過蟲苔了的媽媽已經完成了他的 工作,就讓我們為她的死亡敬禮吧 (  ̄□ ̄)/ <( ̄ㄧ ̄ ) <( ̄ㄧ ̄ ) <( ̄ㄧ ̄ ) 反正就是媽媽找東西補血,工蟲跑給DT追。事實上就算你損失了非常多工蟲你還是很容易 取勝,因為他只有一礦但你卻有好多地刺跟孢子塔在等他,他沒有辦法馬上進攻的。 動動你的腦袋,就算一開始你以為P要出空軍,你會有孢子爬行蟲,所以速DT沒有用,DT會 殺得你措手不及的原因是把速DT誤判為3BG開礦或是4BG前壓,這兩種情況你都要有3+根 地刺。 Cannon rushes are pretty baller though, just know where he can throw down cannons (there are some spots, for example on shattered temple there is a spot near the ramp where if a cannon is being constructed only like 2 drones can attack it). Although good scouting/control will stop this. 光砲快攻倒是非常有效,Z要知道的就是他會在哪邊下光砲(例如:在破碎神廟的斜坡附 近有個點蓋光砲的話,直有兩隻工蟲打得到)。好的偵查還有對的反應可以阻止這個。 (譯註:怎麼感覺有講跟沒講一樣...?) 3 gate blink stalker is pretty deadly too, in this case you need to treat it as a 4 gate and put the 2 spines above your ramp as previously discussed. If you don't, he'll just blink up the ramp (as opposed to walking). 3BG閃現追獵同樣非常恐怖,你得像對付4BG一樣,多插兩根地刺在斜坡上方,否則他會 直接閃現上你斜坡。 (譯註:我猜還是得擺一些小狗在斜坡上方防止追獵有高地視野) Against forge FE openings I like to do a hatchery/evo cancel where his nexus would go, just to force cannons before nexus. That way you'll retain some semblance of an economic lead. 若是遇到BF開礦,我會存 300在他二礦蓋主堡後再蓋下進化室,迫使他必須先蓋光砲打掉 進化室後才能蓋下星核。這樣你可以保持一定程度的經濟領先。 (譯註:這神奇了! 總花費是 300*25% + 75 + 50工蟲 = 200礦 這樣有賺嗎? 我也不知道:p) -- ∩_G__∩ ∩ __C__∩ ∩_D_ ∩ |ˊ ︵ ︵ˋ科 |ˊ ︵ ︵ˋ| KU/︵ ︵ ˋ| ∕ (⊙)(⊙) 科 ∕ (⊙)(⊙) \ KU(⊙)(⊙) ˋ |  ( _●_) ≡ | ≡( _●_ )≡ | ≡ (_●_ )  | ╴≡ |∪| ミ ╲ |∪|  / ミ﹑|∪|  ≡ ˋ ﹨ˊ \ __/ ﹨ˊ \___/ ﹨ˊ ノ φGCD -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.36.65.50

04/18 22:47, , 1F
自己的經驗 Puser看到這麼多地刺會稍微屯個兵在打
04/18 22:47, 1F

04/18 22:48, , 2F
Z怕擋不住就補一些狗 如果說都4媽媽+5地刺了 加上補血應該ok
04/18 22:48, 2F

04/18 22:48, , 3F
5地刺真的守不住4BG嘛?
04/18 22:48, 3F

04/18 22:48, , 4F
如果是極限4bg的話可能就來不及5地刺就是 = =
04/18 22:48, 4F

04/18 22:49, , 5F
有一點兵 3+地刺就不太好打了
04/18 22:49, 5F

04/18 22:49, , 6F
影片有一段好像一地刺+7媽媽+一些狗擋,不過沒注意是幾bg
04/18 22:49, 6F

04/18 22:49, , 7F
spanishiwa不是也有說 極限rush會把這個戰術打趴嗎?
04/18 22:49, 7F

04/18 22:50, , 8F
5地刺第一時間擋的住,但P屯一會兵在Z二本剛好沒多久推就爆了
04/18 22:50, 8F

04/18 22:50, , 9F
樓上說的是day9第二場在大都會? P只出了狂+哨兵阿@@
04/18 22:50, 9F

04/18 22:51, , 10F
Z V Z我翻好了,但是感覺他的Z V Z沒有寫的很好
04/18 22:51, 10F

04/18 22:53, , 11F
守的住阿 有4隻媽媽可以狂補血 還是怕倒就再補狗
04/18 22:53, 11F

04/18 22:53, , 12F
地刺應該守得住 但如果你沒偷工兵就補 很傷經濟
04/18 22:53, 12F

04/18 22:54, , 13F
我覺得看到以後 如果有4媽媽+5地刺 馬上開始補狗是OK
04/18 22:54, 13F

04/18 22:54, , 14F
怕的應該是極限4BG 地刺應該有兩三根還沒好
04/18 22:54, 14F

04/18 22:54, , 15F
他四媽媽,應該有兩隻媽媽能量很多,一直補血應該OK吧
04/18 22:54, 15F

04/18 22:57, , 16F
看過她媽媽持續生產+小狗地刺擋住過
04/18 22:57, 16F

04/18 22:59, , 17F
作者最後常說:"有賺嗎?我也不知道~".....
04/18 22:59, 17F

04/18 22:59, , 18F
極限RUSH應該擋不住 不過看到5地刺真的會心涼一下...
04/18 22:59, 18F

04/18 23:03, , 19F
其實Z的地刺很強 不要小看囧...
04/18 23:03, 19F

04/18 23:15, , 20F
地刺股飆漲
04/18 23:15, 20F

04/18 23:22, , 21F
地刺是z地面第二強單位 僅次於雷獸!
04/18 23:22, 21F

04/18 23:58, , 22F
但是地刺有射程 輸出比較高!
04/18 23:58, 22F


04/19 02:55, , 24F
獻醜了 今天下午在嘗試的時候守下來了 不過不是極限4bg
04/19 02:55, 24F

04/19 02:55, , 25F
靠地刺跟媽媽與少量的狗是守的下來的
04/19 02:55, 25F

04/19 02:56, , 26F
不過我還只個嫩嫩白銀蟲 所以微控跟蟲胎沒用得很好
04/19 02:56, 26F

04/19 02:57, , 27F
或許是對方沒空好我才僥倖守下來吧XD
04/19 02:57, 27F

04/19 16:58, , 28F
P BF 開礦 我會想直接BH
04/19 16:58, 28F

04/19 16:58, , 29F
然後躍傳3蟑螂
04/19 16:58, 29F

04/19 16:59, , 30F
和后蟲 下蟲胎
04/19 16:59, 30F
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