[情報] 馬刺隊繼Duncan之後的選秀評比(2)

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Grading Each San Antonio Spurs Draft Pick Since Tim Duncan BY JARED JOHNSON (CORRESPONDENT) ON AUGUST 10, 2013 外電網址: http://ppt.cc/gk3s 2002: Round 2, Pick 28: Randy Holcomb, SF/PF Best season with Spurs: Did not play for the Spurs. Randy Holcomb was a part of the John Salmons trade that sent Speedy Claxton to the Spurs. A San Diego State product, Holcomb bounced around the world playing professional ball and even ended up a star for the Libyan national team. Read about that interesting story in this article from the San Diego Union-Tribune. Holcomb only played in four NBA games, all for the Chicago Bulls. Not much value is usually found this low in the draft, but Reggie Evans and Udonis Haslem were still available at the time. Grade: C- 2002: Round 2, Pick 28: Randy Holcomb, SF/PF 在馬刺的最佳成績:無 Holcomb是跟Salmons一起拿去換Claxton的籌碼之一。聖地牙哥洲出品，Halcomb可以說是周遊列國的職業球員，他甚至在利比亞國家隊結束職業生涯。有興趣的話可以參閱 http://ppt.cc/4AqG Halcomb的NBA生涯只出賽過4場，都在公牛隊。通常在這麼後面的順位也撿不到什麼好貨了，但這次還是錯過了Reggie Evans和Udonis Haslem 總評:C- 2003: Round 1, Pick 28: Leandro Barbosa, SG Best season with Spurs: Has not played for the Spurs. Leandro Barbosa is yet another quality NBA player who never played a minute for the Spurs. The Spurs traded him on draft night for the Phoenix Suns' 2005 first-round pick, which eventually went to the Knicks and became David Lee. The package that the Spurs got in return for that first-round pick was headlined by Nazr Mohammed. Mohammed was big in the 2005 and 2006 postseason, playing a combined 622 minutes in those playoffs. He and Tim Duncan made for a formidable post-defending duo. But it won't quite make up for missing out on Barbosa's services and the opportunity to get Lee. Grade: C 2003: Round 1, Pick 28: Leandro Barbosa, SG 在馬刺的最佳成績:無 Barbosa又是一個沒有為馬刺出賽過的合格NBA球員。馬刺在選秀會當晚將他交易到太陽換來太陽2005第一輪選秀權，這個選秀權在之後的 Mohammed交易案送到了尼克隊，而尼克用它選到了David Lee Mohammed對馬刺的貢獻也不算小，在2005和2006季後賽共出場了622分鐘，他和Duncan組成了強大的禁區防守雙塔。但結果來看，仍然錯過了Barbosa的貢獻以及得到David Lee的機會。總評: C 2004: Round 1, Pick 28: Beno Udrih, PG Best season with Spurs (2004-05): 14.4 minutes per game, 5.9 points per game, 1.0 rebounds per game, 1.9 rebounds per game, 0.1 blocks per game, 0.5 steals per game, 14.3 PER. Udrih was one of the few Spurs draft picks from this era that actually played for the team. In his rookie year, the 22-year-old from Slovenia was a reliable backup point guard for Tony Parker. Not many rookies get to be a part of the rotation on a championship-winning team, but Udrih earned his spot. After leaving the Spurs in 2007, he has developed into a heady, veteran point guard capable of averaging 10 points and five assists per game when given decent minutes. Aside from Anderson Varejao, there weren't any better players for the Spurs to pursue with this pick. Grade: B+ 2004: Round 1, Pick 28: Beno Udrih, PG 在馬刺的最佳成績: (2004-05)14.4 minutes per game, 5.9 points per game, 1.0 rebounds per game, 1.9 rebounds per game, 0.1 blocks per game, 0.5 steals per game, 14.3 PER. Udrih是馬刺這幾年少數對球隊有貢獻的選秀，在他22歲的新秀球季就已經可以扮演好 Parker的替補角色了。能夠站穩冠軍隊伍主力輪替的新人有幾個呢? Udrih做到了。 2007年離開馬刺時，Udrih已經是個成熟的PG了，在足夠的上場時間內可以繳出至少平均 10分5助攻的成績。在這個順位之後只有Anderson Varejao能看，所以馬刺這次選的不錯。總評: B+ 2004: Round 2, Pick 23: Romain Sato, SG/SF Best season with Spurs: Did not play for the Spurs. Romain Sato, like romaine lettuce, never played a minute for the Spurs. (Sorry, had to do it.) According to ESPN, Sato was born in the Central African Republic. He played ball for Xavier University and reached a career high of 18.1 points per game in his junior season. Euroleague.net reports that Sato has played in several countries around Europe, most recently with Fenerbahce Ulker Istanbul. He did play in a preseason game for Fenerbahce Ulker last fall against the Philadelphia 76ers, scoring 24 points. Only two players drafted after Sato played in the NBA, and both of them (Matt Freije and Luis Flores) had negative win shares, so I can't grade this pick too harshly. Grade: C+ 2004: Round 2, Pick 23: Romain Sato, SG/SF 在馬刺的最佳成績:無 Sato跟蘿曼生菜一樣菜，沒有為馬刺打過球。(抱歉，我必須這麼說) 根據ESPN，Sato在中非共和國出生，他大三時為哈佛大學貢獻每場18.1的得分。 Sato在歐洲很多國家打過球，最近是在土耳其的費內巴切。去年秋天76人有和這支球隊比過熱身賽，Sato當時得了24分。在Sato之後也只有兩個守開特力等級的球員打過NBA，所以這次評比也不會太嚴苛。總評: C+ 2004: Round 2, Pick 28: Sergei Karaulov, C Best season with Spurs: Did not play for the Spurs. Sergei Karaulov had an NBA body at 6'10" and 254 pounds. Unfortunately, that was about all he had going for him. He hasn't succeeded overseas or stateside since being drafted. According to Real GM Basketball, he averaged 1.2 points per game over two years on the Spurs summer league team. Unlike Sato, who actually had some skills, Karaulov was a pure project who didn't have anywhere near the skill set to succeed in the NBA. Grade: D+ 2004: Round 2, Pick 28: Sergei Karaulov, C 在馬刺的最佳成績:無 Karaulov有著標準NBA禁區球員身材6’10”和254磅。不幸地，他在被選中後無論是去海外或是留在美國都沒能成功。在兩年的馬刺夏季聯盟中平均只能得1.2分。不像Sato至少有些本領。Karaulov真的是太嫩了，完全沒有能夠挑戰NBA的能力。總評: D+ 2005: Round 1, Pick 28: Ian Mahinmi, C Best season with Spurs (2009-10): 6.3 minutes per game. 3.9 points per game, 2.0 rebounds per game. 0.1 assists per game, 0.3 blocks per game, 0.1 steals per game, 21.6 PER. The Spurs just whiffed on this first-round pick. With their tendency to scout internationally, you would think they would have done their homework on Mahinmi. Unfortunately for the Spurs, he was an athletic, mobile big man who didn't have the technique of the game down. In his best season with the Spurs, he averaged 7.0 fouls per 36 minutes. In sparse minutes, he showed a lot of potential but never improved much for the Spurs. When he left for Dallas (and now Indiana), his minutes increased, but his efficiency dropped off a cliff. This is all the more frustrating for the Spurs when you realize that fellow big men David Lee, Brandon Bass, Ersan Ilyasova, Andray Blatche, Amir Johnson and Marcin Gortat were all available at the time of Mahinmi's drafting. Grade: D 2005: Round 1, Pick 28: Ian Mahinmi, C 在馬刺的最佳成績: (2009-10) 6.3 minutes per game. 3.9 points per game, 2.0 rebounds per game. 0.1 assists per game, 0.3 blocks per game, 0.1 steals per game, 21.6 PER. 馬刺可以說是浪費了這個首輪籤。你應該會覺得馬刺這個國際球員控應該對Mahinmi做足了功課。不幸地，他運動能力出色但是缺乏技巧。他在馬刺的最佳球季平均每36分鐘的犯規次數高達7次…… 在稀稀疏疏的上場時間內，他展現了很多潛力，但始終沒有進步。Mahinmi去到小牛和溜馬後，上場時間雖然激增，但效率也下滑了。更令人扼腕的是，在Mahinmi的順位之後還有很多不錯的大個子: David Lee, Brandon Bass, Ersan Ilyasova, Andray Blatche, Amir Johnson和Marcin Gortat等… 總評: D 2006: Round 2, Pick 29: Damir Markota, PF Best season with Spurs: Did not play for the Spurs. Damir Markota getting drafted was a product of the Dirk Nowitzki craze. In this era, European big men who could shoot were automatically pegged as good prospects because of Nowitzki's success. Unfortunately for Markota, he didn't have the length or the ability to create his own shot. Markota was traded to the Milwaukee Bucks on draft night for a second-round pick in 2007. We'll get to that pick soon, but the trade was a wash, as neither player had any success in the league. Grade: C 2006: Round 2, Pick 29: Damir Markota, PF 在馬刺的最佳成績:無會選Markota是因為當時Nowitzki正夯，很多有外線能力的歐洲長人都被貼上德佬的標籤。可惜Markota沒有那個能力。他在選秀當晚就被交易到公鹿隊，換來2007年第二輪選秀權，我們馬上就會提到這個順位的故事了，但結果來看這個交易是沒有意義的，因為兩個人都沒能在NBA立足。總評: C 2007: Round 1, Pick 28: Tiago Splitter, PF/C Best season with Spurs (2012-13): 24.7 minutes per game, 10.3 points, 6.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 0.8 blocks, 0.8 steals, 18.7 PER. The Spurs learned their lesson with Ian Mahinmi and drafted a more polished big man with their late first-round pick in 2007. So far, it's been a smashing success. Splitter played three seasons in Europe for further seasoning before coming to the states in 2010. During that time, he established himself as a top international player. According to the Spurs' official website, he was both the regular season and Finals MVP of the Spanish League. Although he isn't a star, Splitter has been valuable for the Spurs, both as a defender next to Tim Duncan and finisher in the pick-and-roll. Interestingly enough, he actually ranks No. 2 among 2007 draftees in win shares per 48 minutes (0.188), behind onlyKevin Durant (0.189). First-round picks are usually expected to be more immediate contributors, but Splitter took three years to come over from Europe, at the age of 25. That's the only factor that knocks this grade down a bit. Grade: A- 2007: Round 1, Pick 28: Tiago Splitter, PF/C 在馬刺的最佳成績: (2012-13) 24.7 minutes per game, 10.3 points, 6.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 0.8 blocks, 0.8 steals, 18.7 PER. 馬刺學到了Mahinmi的教訓後，用這個選秀權選了個更優雅的大個子。目前來看，這次是成功的。 Splitter在歐洲打了3年才在2010來馬刺報到。在歐洲時期他已經證明了他是頂尖的國際球員，他更曾是西班牙聯賽中季賽和季後賽的雙料MVP。儘管他不是球星，Splitter對馬刺來說也是很重要的，尤其是僅次於Duncan的防守能力還有檔拆時的優異得分效率。有趣的是，2007的新人中他的win share(0.188)可是僅次於 Kevin Durant(0.189)的。通常第一輪新秀的即戰力會比較高，但Splitter已在歐洲待了3年，因此來到馬刺時已經 25歲了，這點是評比唯一扣分的地方。總評: A- 2007: Round 2, Pick 3: Marcus Williams, SF Best season with Spurs (2008-09): 1.5 minutes per game, 2.0 points per game, 0.0 rebounds per game, 0.0 assists per game, 0.0 blocks per game, 0.0 steals per game, 53.0 PER. Marcus Williams is the pick that the Spurs acquired from the Bucks for Damir Markota. Without question, Williams is the worst player in NBA history to register a 53.0 PER for a season. For a reference point, the season record for qualified players is 31.82, set by Wilt Chamberlain in 1962-63. Considering Williams only played five minutes for the Spurs in his career, it's safe to say that this pick wasn't quite as successful as the one five slots before. His game transferred quite nicely to the D-League, though, where he averaged 21.6 points per game for his career. His NBA career ended in 2010. Marc Gasol would've been a fantastic pick here, but hindsight is 20/20. Grade: D+ 2007: Round 2, Pick 3: Marcus Williams, SF 在馬刺的最佳成績: (2008-09) 1.5 minutes per game, 2.0 points per game, 0.0 rebounds per game, 0.0 assists per game, 0.0 blocks per game, 0.0 steals per game, 53.0 PER. Williams的選秀權是馬刺拿Markota跟公鹿換來的。無疑地，Williams 單季53.0的PER值是NBA史上空前的高，張伯倫最高也才31.82(1962-63 球季) Williams生涯只為馬刺出賽5分鐘，拿來跟他前5個順位的Splitter比較的話，可以說是頗失敗。他很快就轉戰發展聯盟了，生涯平均可得21.6分。他的NBA生涯在2010年就結束了。在那個時候用這個順位選Marc Gasol並不是很合理，但事後諸葛來看是很好的選擇。總評: D+ 2007: Round 2, Pick 28: Giorgos Printezis, PF Best season with Spurs: Did not play for the Spurs. Giorgos Printezis follows in the illustrious line of draft-day "tradees" by the Spurs. The Greek power forward was drafted by the Spurs and immediately traded to theToronto Raptors for their second-round pick in the following year's draft. That pick became Goran Dragic, who was traded for a pick that became DeJuan Blair in 2009. Basically, what we are grading here is how good the move that ultimately flipped Printezis for Blair was. Printezis didn't play a single game in the NBA, while Blair became a solid role player for the Spurs. Grade: A 2007: Round 2, Pick 28: Giorgos Printezis, PF 在馬刺的最佳成績: 無比照馬刺的選秀操作策略，Printezis在選秀當晚就被送到暴龍了，這位希臘籍大前鋒換回的是隔年的二輪選秀權，馬刺後來用這個順位選到了Goran Dragic，之後又利用他換來 2009年的二輪籤，選中的是DeJuan Blair。基本上，這邊要評比就是馬刺用Printezis輾轉換到了Bliar，實用性跳了好幾級，因為 Printezis目前還沒打過NBA(以後也不太可能)，而Blair對馬刺來說是個稱職的功能性球員。總評: A 2008: Round 1, Pick 26: George Hill, PG/SG Best season with Spurs (2009-10): 29.2 minutes per game, 12.4 points per game, 2.6 rebounds per game, 2.9 assists per game, 0.3 blocks per game, 0.9 steals per game, 14.7 PER. George Hill was a relatively unknown player out of IUPUI (Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis) before the Spurs picked him. The pick was criticized by some, including Chad Ford from ESPN. Ford said the following in his 2008 NBA Draft grades: "But sometimes a team can be too clever for its own good. Hill is a nice player, but I don't believe he's a better point guard than Mario Chalmers." The joke was on Ford, because Hill has been a considerably better player than Chalmers in the NBA. Hill's 6'2" size isn't ideal for the combo guard position, but he has made up for it with his great athleticism, length and scoring instincts during his three years in San Antonio. No players drafted below Hill have more win shares than he does, so this was a very good pick. Grade: A- 2008: Round 1, Pick 26: George Hill, PG/SG 在馬刺的最佳成績: (2009-10) 29.2 minutes per game, 12.4 points per game, 2.6 rebounds per game, 2.9 assists per game, 0.3 blocks per game, 0.9 steals per game, 14.7 PER. George Hill在馬刺選到他之前根本可以說是沒沒無名。 ESPN的Chad Ford曾批評這個選秀”Hill是個不錯的球員，但我不認為他擔任控球後衛會好過Mario Chalmers” 這個批評後來成了笑話，因為大家普遍認為Hill在NBA是強過Chalmers的。只有6’2”的身高擔任雙能衛並不理想，但Hill靠著出色的運動能力、臂展和優異的得分能力彌補了身高的劣勢。在Hill順位之後沒有人的win share可以跟他比，因此這個選秀也選的很好。總評: A- 2008: Round 2, Pick 15: Goran Dragic, PG Best season with Spurs: Has not played for the Spurs. Goran Dragic was traded two days after the draft to the Phoenix Suns for Malik Hairston, a 2009 second-round pick who became DeJuan Blair and cash. Dragic has established himself as an unselfish, offensively skilled starting point guard for the Phoenix Suns. Meanwhile, Hairston was a garbage-time player for the Spurs for two years, and Blair was a valuable role player for four seasons. Not quite a fair trade, but Dragic would have had a hard time finding minutes on the Spurs anyway with a star at point guard. Grade: C+ 2008: Round 2, Pick 15: Goran Dragic, PG 在馬刺的最佳成績: 無 Dragic在選秀會過後兩天就被交易至太陽隊，換來Malik Hairston和2009年第二輪選秀權 (後來選到了Blair)以及現金。 Dragic在太陽隊已經證明了自己是個無私、具備進攻技藝的控球後衛。同時，Hairston在馬刺當了兩年的垃圾時間限定球員，而Blair則是4年堪用的功能性球員。這個交易不是很划算，但是Dragic如果留在馬刺的話，他擔任控球後衛是很難爭取到上場時間的。總評: C+ to be continued..... -- ◢███◣ █◥◥◥ 我們不是搖擺不定 ◢● ● 我們只是還在找尋平衡點 ╭╮ ◣ ▽ ◢ ╯╰︵◣天秤 ◢ ＬＩＢＲＡ ψQSWEET ￣￣ ▂▂ 　　　　　　　 Libra <天秤版> -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 1.169.175.38 ※ 編輯: ParkerWind 來自: 1.169.175.38 (08/13 06:23)

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