[情報] 這個夏天 BONZI很快樂

看板Rockets作者 (嗯嗯嗯)時間18年前 (2007/10/08 23:41), 編輯推噓11(11012)
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轉自HOOPCHINA 儘管Well四周前在浴室不慎滑倒拉傷了腹股溝之後影響了訓練營的表現,但是至少可以肯 定的是,這個夏天,他快樂了起來。"球員就應該做自己。"Wells說,"你?必要太過擔憂 。上賽季,主教練總是規定我們該做什麼,而不是讓我們盡情地比賽。Adelman不會這樣 。他會讓你上場,犯一個小錯誤根本?有關係。當你犯錯的時候,你不用心驚膽顫。你不 用害怕會被大吼大叫。教練的風格決定了球隊的氣氛。" "這裡不是大學。這裡是職業球場。我們都是男子漢,不是嗎?要用男子漢的方式對待我 們,這樣我們就會像男子和一樣拼搏。" "目前Bonzi的狀態讓我很欣慰。"Tracy McGrady說,"他很輕鬆。他參加訓練營時的體型 保持得非常好。他減掉了30磅,很明顯,他非常在乎新的賽季。" 上賽季,Bonzi僅僅打了28場比賽,場均7.8分4.3籃板,41.1%的命中率也是降到了生涯最 低。"那不是真正的我。"Wells說,"教練在選擇球員的時候有一些獨特。他會告訴我們' 你能做的只是投籃,你只准在低位單打。你只准做這個,你只准那樣做'。" "那不是籃球……那毫無創造力。根本沒有發揮出所有人的?能。"Wells繼續侃侃而談,"他 或許能成為一名不錯的教練。但是他沒有能力引導像我這樣一個成熟的球員。我不怕他, 我就是這樣當面對他說的。" "我必須承認,(我的糟糕表現)也不光是教練的原因。"他說,"也有我自己的因素。但是 想想看,我損失了4000萬美元。這總是我心頭的一塊大石頭。" "他是球隊的重要一部分。"Adelman表示,"當你讓他上場打球,他在籃下的爆發力會非常 可觀。他在國王的時候打得很不錯。他是個非常出色的進攻籃板手。當Tracy不在場上的 時候,他就是那種能在大多數時候保持強點的球員。他非常強壯,他能為球隊提供大量的 幫助。Bonzi在我們的進攻體系中效率非常高。他?有理由不為球隊發光發熱。" 這篇文章的原文也被貼在clutchfans上 有好幾個外國網友發表了好些言論十分中肯精闢 HOOPCHINA的大陸網友也把他們翻譯了 以下 #4 that's why i feel he put so much pressure on tmac and yao. he thinks everyone else is so one-dimensional that only tracy can create and things like that. like wells said, JVG prollie categorized bonzi as a post up player and if he didn't do that well, he has no use. same w/ vspan, if he turns the ball over, he has no use. if u don't give them encouragement, they're not gonna try hard. "這就是為什麼我覺得JVG把太多的壓力放在了YAO和TMAC身上,他認為這個隊上的其他人 都是單一功能的球員,只有TMAC可以創造機會。 就像WELLS說的,JVG把他定位成低位球員,如果他沒做好這項工作,那他就沒有任何用處 。對於SPAN,情況也是如此,如果他失誤了,那他就一無是處。" #5 if Bonzi is a grown man like himself claimed, he'd be professional and report to camp in shape last season. have you seen Pop yelled at Ginobli? "如果BONZI真像他自己所宣稱的那樣是個男子漢,那麼去年他去訓練營報道時就應該表現 得更加有職業精神,保持好自己的體型。" #9 I suppose this was to be expected. The easiest people to bash are the ones that are no longer around. When JVG was hired, he was lauded for fixing the poor culture of SF/Mobley doing whatever the hell they wanted on the court. Now we're using the euphemism "letting the players play their game" to say how awesome it is that players will be allowed to do whatever the hell they want, which was exactly what we didn't want 4 years ago. I suppose when Adelman is fired and we hire a disciplinarian like Larry Brown the talk will go the other way again. "我料想到了情況會是如此,磚塊往已經離開的人身上招呼是最容易的了。 當雇佣JVG時,他因為約束了SF3和MOBLEY在場上的為所欲為而受到了讚賞。現如今我們又 開始用一個冠冕堂皇的說法'球員就應該做自己'來代替'為所欲為',於是以前的那種'為 所欲為'又重新變得正大光明了。我料想著等我們將來解雇ADELMAN請來LARRY BROWN當教 練的時候,如今的這套又要重來一遍。" #10 I think Bonzi has it backwards. He wants to be treated like a grown man, but grown men know how to take orders. JVG ran the team like an army, Bonzi had to know how to follow. It's not a coaches job to stroke a player's ego when they show up non-committal and out of shape. That's on Bonzi, first and foremost. Remember why Adelman got fired from the kings? Their excuse was that he didn't coach any defense. His response? "They should have given me more defensive players." You're looking at two opposite approaches when it comes to JVG and Adelman. RA tailors his gameplan to the player, JVG wants the player to stick with his. If JVG were coaching that kings team, they would have played defense. In 05/06, we had real defensive stalwarts like Alston, Head, Swift, and Juwan playing major minutes and we were still one of the best defensive teams in the league. Maybe RA could get more out of his players if his vision wasn't limited to their natural talents. I don't want to get into who's the better head coach. Sometimes, good players and coaches just don't see eye to eye and I don't think either side deserves the blame. Bonzi just isn't a JVG player. And don't even bring up Vspan. That guy complained about having to play too much man D. If he's got a problem with that, he's not even an NBA player. "BONZI希望得到男子漢的待遇,但一個男子漢知道如何服眾。JVG管理球隊如同管理軍隊, BONZI必須知道如何聽從指揮。一個球員帶著一身肥肉出現在訓練營,來能指望教練去捧他 哄他滿足他那點所謂的"自尊心"嗎? 記得ADELMAN為什麼在國王被解雇嗎?國王隊的理由是他的防守訓練不佳。ADELMAN的回應 是什麼?'他們應該給我提供更多的防守型球員。'由此你可以看出ADELMAN和JVG是兩種不 同類型的教練,前者根據球員制定戰術,後者要求任何球員都達到他的要求。05賽季我們 用ALSTON, HEAD, SWIFT, HOWARD這種水平的防守球員,仍然打出了聯盟中最好等級的防 守。 我不想介入'誰是更好的主帥'這種爭論。有時候好的球員和好的教練無法相互適應,我不 認為在這種情?下任何一方應受到指責。BONZI不是適合JVG的球員,如此而已。SPAN還是 不要提了,他抱怨球隊採取了太多人盯人的防守策略,如果他無法應付這個,那他很難成 為一個NBA球員。" #14 Bonzi said letting the players play their game , what I think he meant is that Adelman is trying to make it easier and he plays more to their strengths , it's within his system on offense but they still get chances to do what they do best each player. With JVG for Example he had more defined roles and he didn't play to players' strengths as much. For example Alston had to shoot so many three's , yes it's because the double teams but find a way so that this player will not need to shoot so much when he is not a good shooter. Snyder didn't play because he couldn't shoot and missed defensive rotations , we were a jumpshooting team so Snyder can't play. Both Yao and T-Mac thought Snyder should play more and could have helped us but he didn't fit the T-Mac and Yao creating everything and the rest just shooting system. "BONZI所說的'球員就應該做自己',我認為真正的意思是ADELMAN善於利用球員的長處, 在他的進攻體系中有一定的規則但球員仍有機會用自己最擅長的方式。 而在JVG的體系中,BONZI需要按照教練規定的方式去打球而無法展現自己最擅長的部分。 ALSTON被迫射了許多3分,當然這是為了減輕對手對YAO和TMAC的包夾,但為什麼不能找到 一種方式讓不擅長投射的ALSTON減少投射呢? SNYDER得不到上場時間,因?他投籃不佳而且在防守輪轉中容易漏人,我們是一支跳投球 隊,所以SNYDER沒有機會。 YAO和TMAC都認為SNYDER應得到更多的機會,但因為他不能適應'YAO和TMAC創造一切,其 他人只管跳投'的體系,所以被荒廢了。" -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 218.171.52.184

10/09 00:57, , 1F
寫的不錯 真的挺中肯的
10/09 00:57, 1F

10/09 01:08, , 2F
有沒有雙教練制啊? 一個進攻一個防守不就超強(誤)
10/09 01:08, 2F

10/09 01:57, , 3F
我也想過樓上這個問題...
10/09 01:57, 3F

10/09 04:15, , 4F
如果用BONZI這點來評估JVG 會不會太不厚道....
10/09 04:15, 4F

10/09 09:14, , 5F
這只是討論教練的風格啦...畢竟JVG這些問題真的存在
10/09 09:14, 5F

10/09 10:38, , 6F
「凝聚團隊」是教練工作的一部份,嚴格的教練如Pop,萊里
10/09 10:38, 6F

10/09 10:38, , 7F
當初在活塞的L.Brown都很能凝聚團隊向心力,這方面JVG差了些
10/09 10:38, 7F

10/09 10:46, , 8F
如果用SNYDER來討論JVG用人不夠大膽 我承認 是他膽小
10/09 10:46, 8F

10/09 10:47, , 9F
但是以一個不會控制體重又打不好的人 那我想有欠缺公平吧
10/09 10:47, 9F

10/09 11:14, , 10F
看到Bonzi說自己是成熟的球員覺得有點好笑 =.=
10/09 11:14, 10F

10/09 11:16, , 11F
"He can probably be good and coach kids.
10/09 11:16, 11F

10/09 11:17, , 12F
But it's tough for him to coach a grown man like me.
10/09 11:17, 12F

10/09 11:18, , 13F
I ain't scared of him. I told him that to his face."
10/09 11:18, 13F

10/09 11:18, , 14F
體重沒控制,訓練營沒來,然後當面嗆教練"老子沒在怕你"
10/09 11:18, 14F

10/09 11:21, , 15F
然後是因自己覺得損失了四千萬所以這種工作態度
10/09 11:21, 15F

10/09 11:24, , 16F
來 力宏哩供跨賣啊~~
10/09 11:24, 16F

10/09 11:48, , 17F
樓上久沒出現,一出現就中肯XD
10/09 11:48, 17F

10/09 12:23, , 18F
Wells今年皮要繃緊點,嘴炮就免了,打不好看你明年拿什麼約
10/09 12:23, 18F

10/10 00:01, , 19F
wells自己有問題 JVG領導帶人上也有問題 一個巴掌打不響
10/10 00:01, 19F

10/10 01:52, , 20F
現在是怎樣?批鬥小范? 沒有他姚明不可能有現在的低位
10/10 01:52, 20F

10/10 01:54, , 21F
實力 小范讓整支球隊核心確立 防守確立 有啥好批的?
10/10 01:54, 21F

10/10 01:55, , 22F
就像LARRY離開活賽 然後桑德斯一去 每個球員叫好 結果?
10/10 01:55, 22F

10/10 01:56, , 23F
固然師乃 BONZI需要多利用 但是別忘了小范不可抹滅的貢獻
10/10 01:56, 23F
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