[討論] Hanley Ramirez

看板RedSox作者 (她依然很美)時間11年前 (2014/11/24 07:29), 11年前編輯推噓20(20038)
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http://tinyurl.com/k755ofq According to an industry source, the Red Sox are in advanced conversations with free agent Hanley Ramirez, with the possibility that a deal “could come together quickly.” As of this afternoon, the source said, there was not an agreement between the sides, but the potential for a deal is real. At this point, what is not clear is whether talks with Ramirez are as a third base fallback should free agent Pablo Sandoval sign with one of his other suitors (the Giants or Padres), or if the pursuit of Ramirez might be in conjunction with the pursuit of Sandoval, with Ramirez moving to left field and Sandoval at third base. If the Sox did pursue Ramirez, it could be part of yet another domino, with the possibility of trading Yoenis Cespedes increasing. However, the Sox viewed Sandoval as their priority over Ramirez for a number of reasons, including age (Sandoval is 28; Ramirez turns 31 this winter), defense (Sandoval is an above-average defensive third baseman; Ramirez has been viewed as one of the worst defensive shortstops in the big leagues, and struggled in a half-season at third base with the Marlins), durability (Ramirez has averaged 121 games a year over the last five seasons, Sandoval 135) and makeup (Sandoval is viewed as a strong clubhouse presence, Ramirez was a polarizing figure with the Marlins prior to his trade to the Dodgers). https://twitter.com/mlb_nl_al/status/536646960250646528 Reminder,I said Hanley and Boston are agreed on length/money.Still working details. -- Hanley + Sandoval + Lester 甘五摳林? 還有另一說是幾近完成 剩細節需討論... -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 123.194.91.13 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/RedSox/M.1416785384.A.818.html

11/24 08:17, , 1F
有人說真簽了熊貓&小亨利就可以把XB賣掉等Marrero上
11/24 08:17, 1F

11/24 08:17, , 2F
來接SS...
11/24 08:17, 2F

11/24 08:23, , 3F
兩個都來的話 Bogaerts被交易去換SP也不用太意外
11/24 08:23, 3F
※ 編輯: JacqueJones (123.194.91.13), 11/24/2014 08:26:16

11/24 08:29, , 4F
古巴人應該也會是被交易的對象 SP的洞搞不好就靠交易
11/24 08:29, 4F

11/24 08:29, , 5F
補上
11/24 08:29, 5F

11/24 08:37, , 6F
我覺得交易XB肯定後悔 他upside比當年Hanley還高
11/24 08:37, 6F

11/24 08:39, , 7F
除非是Sale等級(便宜ACE) 不然實在很痛
11/24 08:39, 7F

11/24 09:07, , 8F
我覺得如果真的成然後把XB交易掉,關鍵應該是亨利可以撐
11/24 09:07, 8F

11/24 09:08, , 9F
幾年還有XB的包裹可以換到多好的SP
11/24 09:08, 9F

11/24 09:09, , 10F
要交易的話或許會拿去換黑魔使
11/24 09:09, 10F

11/24 09:26, , 11F
小亨利天花板比Xander bogaerts高
11/24 09:26, 11F

11/24 09:35, , 12F
Hanley在BA最高排到#10 XB在14年BA BP都排到第二
11/24 09:35, 12F

11/24 09:37, , 13F
Hanley在被交易時21歲還在2A XB已經在大聯盟先發了
11/24 09:37, 13F

11/24 09:46, , 14F
天花板不是單純看排名跟年紀
11/24 09:46, 14F

11/24 09:48, , 15F
如果你談的是那種"他可能是下一個XXX" 我尊重
11/24 09:48, 15F

11/24 09:48, , 16F
不過XB現在的價值遠比那時的Hanley來的高
11/24 09:48, 16F

11/24 10:11, , 17F
當初都已經跑掉一個小亨利了 不要再讓XB跑掉了吧
11/24 10:11, 17F

11/24 11:01, , 18F
有些新秀的表現會超出預期的天花板 Trout跟Hanley
11/24 11:01, 18F

11/24 11:01, , 19F
都是上MLB才長出那樣的炮管 當時Hanley在攻擊輸出
11/24 11:01, 19F

11/24 11:01, , 20F
預期上應該比目前預期的XB全面 但XB的守備及炮瓦
11/24 11:01, 20F

11/24 11:02, , 21F
比較優異... 我是認為XB價值高一些
11/24 11:02, 21F

11/24 11:06, , 22F
Bogaerts最好的情況就是打出前幾年的成績
11/24 11:06, 22F

11/24 11:07, , 23F
速度小亨利樂勝,守備誰好還難說
11/24 11:07, 23F

11/24 11:07, , 24F
不過要用XB換Sale 一個是proven ace 而且便宜 一個是
11/24 11:07, 24F

11/24 11:07, , 25F
未完全proven的新秀 價值差太多了...
11/24 11:07, 25F

11/24 11:08, , 26F
今年XB是有點失常 對預估應該會有平均以上的水準
11/24 11:08, 26F

11/24 11:09, , 27F
時空背景不一樣,不看tool,直接看排名實在很腦
11/24 11:09, 27F

11/24 11:10, , 28F
補充:打出前幾年小亨利成績
11/24 11:10, 28F

11/24 11:12, , 29F
看tool 小亨利的打擊+炮瓦當初的預期並沒有Bogaert
11/24 11:12, 29F

11/24 11:12, , 30F
好阿...最多就速度樂勝
11/24 11:12, 30F

11/24 11:15, , 31F
頂多Hanley贏一點打擊 Bogaert贏一點power這樣
11/24 11:15, 31F

11/24 11:38, , 32F
XB之前看過有40轟潛力 Hanley比他高是幾轟?
11/24 11:38, 32F

11/24 11:39, , 33F
有根據拿出來參考 不然只丟一句話也蠻腦的
11/24 11:39, 33F

11/24 11:40, , 34F
XB目前守備看起來就是略低於平均 Hanley是最爛之一
11/24 11:40, 34F

11/24 11:41, , 35F
人家在講當初 你拿前幾年Hanley成績比 有意義嗎?
11/24 11:41, 35F

11/24 12:03, , 36F
XB上看40 這我還是第一次聽到...XXD
11/24 12:03, 36F

11/24 12:22, , 37F
衷心希望XB可以成為我們的當家SS!不然小亨利就去站3B
11/24 12:22, 37F

11/24 12:22, , 38F
吧~
11/24 12:22, 38F

11/24 12:25, , 39F
那是目前 但XB守備預期就是會有平均以上水準 Hanley
11/24 12:25, 39F

11/24 12:26, , 40F
也沒“最”爛這麼誇張...
11/24 12:26, 40F

11/24 12:29, , 41F
XB upside 20~25吧 40是哪個球探說的...
11/24 12:29, 41F

11/24 12:34, , 42F
我也頂多看到30+
11/24 12:34, 42F

11/24 12:34, , 43F
基本上球探報告不可能寫什麼上探40啦
11/24 12:34, 43F

11/24 12:34, , 44F
當年的Giancarlo或現在的Gallo都沒這種評價
11/24 12:34, 44F

11/24 12:34, , 45F
Kris Bryant也沒有
11/24 12:34, 45F

11/24 12:47, , 46F
XB的新秀評價可能比較高,但是hanley一上來就展現出超
11/24 12:47, 46F

11/24 12:48, , 47F
失敬,失敬XD
11/24 12:48, 47F

11/24 12:49, , 48F
越upside的實力,但是XB離upside還有多遠很難說
11/24 12:49, 48F

11/24 12:49, , 49F
upside都要長的出來才有用
11/24 12:49, 49F

11/24 12:56, , 50F
1Bryant我不知道,但確實有人上看40轟Gallo就是
11/24 12:56, 50F

11/24 13:15, , 51F
我記成Baez了啦XD XB確實是30hr potential沒錯
11/24 13:15, 51F

11/24 15:43, , 52F
Gallo和KB就算upside預測也都介於35~40
11/24 15:43, 52F

11/24 15:44, , 53F
真的不太可能有球探給upside超過40...
11/24 15:44, 53F

11/24 18:35, , 54F
恩 我上一句用手機打很麻煩 沒補完 Gallo Power 80分,
11/24 18:35, 54F

11/24 18:35, , 55F
天花板大概就是年年30轟,狀況好一點就40轟
11/24 18:35, 55F

11/24 18:37, , 56F
某人就別再自圓其說了 XB天花板就25轟上下,還不到30,
11/24 18:37, 56F

11/24 18:37, , 57F
Baez也大概是這水準,砲稍微比XB高一點點而已,30轟是
11/24 18:37, 57F

11/24 18:37, , 58F
砲瓦滿分80的評價
11/24 18:37, 58F
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