[討論] Free Agent Profile: Jon Lester

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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/free-agent-profile-jon-lester.html Ten months ago, the common belief was that Jon Lester would sign an extension that would keep him in a Red Sox jersey into his late 30s. A lot can change in a few months, however, and Lester soon found himself donning the green and gold of the Oakland A’s following a midseason trade from a surprisingly poor Boston club. Though many Red Sox fans wouldn’t have believed it would come to this, the lefty is now fair game on the open market. 十個月以前 一般認為Lester會跟紅襪簽下延長合約 成為終身紅襪人 然而上季球隊戰績的不振 讓他意外在季中穿上了運動家的球衣 現在他得以在市場上測試他到底值多少$$ Strengths/Pros 優勢 To put things in the simplest of forms, Lester is a true ace at this point in his career. He misses bats, has strong control and piles up innings. Among free agent starters, Lester’s 2.46 ERA last year leads the pack by a long shot, as does his 2.80 FIP. He was worth 6.1 wins above replacement, per Fangraphs’ version of the metric (which is based on FIP), and he was worth 5.8 wins when looking at RA9-WAR, which is based on actual runs allowed. Both metrics were tops among free agent starters. He struck out 220 hitters and walked just 48 in 219 2/3 innings this season (9.0 K/9, 2.0 BB/9). 簡單來說 他在此刻是個真ACE 能讓打者揮空 控球好又能吃局數 上賽季2.46的防禦率在FA中領先 以FIP來看 他上賽季的WAR是6.1 以實際幫球隊省下來的分數來看 他上賽季的WAR是5.8 兩者都顯示他是頂尖的先發投手 上賽季他在219局裡三振了220位打者 只保送了48人 (9.0 K/9, 2.0 BB/9) The 2014 campaign marked the sixth time in seven seasons that Lester has topped the 200-inning threshold, and he totaled a strong 191 2/3 in the lone season he fell short (2011). His 219 2/3 innings trails only Max Scherzer (220 1/3) and James Shields (227) among fellow free agents. Dating back to 2008, his age-24 season, Lester has averaged 207 innings per season. He’s hit the DL just once in that time, spending a mere 19 days on the shelf with a strained lat in his left shoulder. That minor injury is all that prevented him from seven straight 200-inning seasons. 上個球季是他過去七個球季裡 投球局數第六度達到200局大關 唯一沒到200局的2011年 也吃了191 2/3局 上季投了219 2/3局 FA中僅次於Scherzer (220 1/3局)跟Shields (227局) 2008年起 他平均每年可以吃下207局 只進了DL一次 (19天) Lester was a strikeout machine early in his career, but his K/9 numbers dipped in recent seasons, settling in the mid-7.00s before his resurgent 9.0 K/9 in 2014. Lester pounded the strike zone early this season, registering a 61.4 percent first-pitch strike rate — the highest mark of his career. Perhaps being ahead in the count more often than ever improved the effectiveness of his curveball, or perhaps it was the fact that he threw it slower than ever before (75.1 mph average), but Lester’s 18.2 percent whiff rate on his curve was easily the strongest of his career, resulting in the restored strikeout rate. 他生涯早期是個三振機器 雖然12跟13年 K/9曾經掉到7.5左右 上賽季又回升到9.0 上季的好表現得力於他積極攻擊好球帶 第一球好球率高達61.4% 生涯最高 同時改善了他曲球的效率 或許是調整了曲球的速度 使得速差更明顯的關係 18.2%的讓對手揮空率 也是生涯最佳 讓他重新找回他的三振能力 Most of Lester’s career has come in a large market in the game’s most hitter-friendly division, and he’s thrived in that setting, for the most part. Teams will appreciate that component of his game, and his postseason experience won’t hurt either. Lester has a 2.57 career ERA in 84 postseason innings. He’s a two-time World Series champion that has been on five playoff rosters. 他生涯絕大部分的時間都在大市場球隊以及對打者最有利的球場之一投球 而他大部分的時間都展現了他的壓制力 季後賽的表現與例行賽同樣傑出 84局裡防禦率低到只有2.57 五度名列季後賽名單裡 已經拿下兩枚冠軍戒指 Lester’s main competition this year will be Scherzer, with Shields representing the third-best arm on the market. However, unlike his peers atop this year’s free agent class, Lester does not have a qualifying offer attached to him; he was ineligible to receive one after being traded midseason and can therefore be signed without the forfeiture of a draft pick. 在自由球員市場中 他主要的比較對象是Scherzer Shields則是第三選擇 與其他兩人不同 由於季中被交易的關係 他身上沒有綁QO 簽下他的球隊也不用賠第一輪 Weaknesses/Cons 弱點 Lester was flat out elite this season, much like he was in his first full three seasons, but from 2011-13, he looked more like a good starter than a truly great one. In that time, Lester posted a 4.03 ERA, 3.84 FIP, 7.7 K/9 and 3.1 BB/9 — useful numbers to be sure, but not the type of stats one associates with a pitcher in search of a six- or seven-year contract. 他上賽季的表現無疑是精英級的 與他前三個完整球季(08-10)一樣 然而在2011-2013這段期間裡 他看起來像是個好投手而非頂尖投手 這段期間裡他的防禦率4.03 FIP則高到3.84 7.7 K/9跟3.1 BB/9等數字 都讓他看起來不像是個可以拿到六至七年長約的投手 Though he averaged better than 93 mph on his fastball earlier in his career, Lester’s velocity settled into the mid-92 range from 2011-13 and dipped even further in 2014, averaging 91.8 mph. Of course, that’s still plenty of life, especially considering the fact that he’s left-handed. 生涯初期均速有93 mph以上 在2011-2013這段期間裡略降到92.5左右 在上個賽季更降到只有91.8 mph 當然這還是個不錯的數字 特別是他還是個左投手 Lester turns 31 in January, meaning that a six-year deal would run through his age-36 season and a seven-year pact would run through his age-37 campaign. Clearly, that’s a risky commitment, though such is the case with all top-of-the-market free agents. He’s younger than Shields, but Scherzer pitches most of next season at age 30, so his main competitor has age on his side. 他在一月將滿31歲 這意味著給他六年約將會涵蓋他36歲的球季 (七年約則同理) 顯然這是一個有風險的決定 即便這是追逐頂尖FA球員的典型風險 他比Shields年輕 比Scherzer大一歲 所以Scherzer在年齡上會有些優勢 Personal 人格特質 Lester’s battle with cancer early on in his career was well-documented, and in addition to the great comeback story that culminated in him winning the clinching game of the 2007 World Series, that battle has shaped the work he’ s done in the community. Lester partnered with Charity Wines to release his own line of red wine, the proceeds of which benefit the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center. His NVRQT charity sends all of its proceeds to the Pediatric Cancer Research Foundation, and Lester explained how the charity came about and what it means to him in a guest column for the Boston Globe in 2013. 他的抗癌歷史已經眾所皆知 在07年重回球場幫助球隊拿下WSC 下略 This past July, Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe wrote about the strides Lester has made in terms of maturity both on the mound and with the media after being a bit hot-tempered earlier in his career. (Abraham references glaring at umpires after questionable calls and the infamous chicken-and-beer incident as examples.) Lester is married and has two sons. The Tacoma, Washington native now resides near Atlanta in the offseason. Market 市場狀況 Lester is one of the arms referred to as the “Big Three” of this offseason, along with Scherzer and Shields. However, while MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes noted that a third or more of the teams in the league could have viable interest in Shields, the younger Lester figures to come with a higher price tag that may take him out of the picture for a number of clubs. 他是今年FA先發投手三巨頭之一 其他兩人分別是Scherzer跟Shields 由於價位較高的關係 事實上追Shields的球隊會比追他的來得多一些 Lester stated multiple times that he’d like to return to Boston, and last winter he told reporters that he planned to be with the Red Sox until someone “ripped the jersey off his back.” However, the Red Sox made an initial offer of $70MM over four years, at that point, and while the reported $110-120MM offer they made today might have worked in March, it feels too light to make them a serious contender right now. Lester曾經數度表示他希望回到Boston打球 去年冬天他告訴記者 "他希望在紅襪待到有人扯下他的球衣" 然而 紅襪去年只開給他四年70M的合約 而不是他們昨天開給他的110M到120M 現在看來 這個價錢還不足以讓Lester回到紅襪效力 The other popular landing spot for Lester is the Cubs, where former Red Sox GM Theo Epstein is now president of baseball operations. Epstein and GM Jed Hoyer were members of the Boston front office when Lester emerged as a front-line starter, and the team is rich on young hitters without much in the way of high-upside pitching (Jake Arrieta is a notable exception). 另一個Lester的熱門去處是小熊 也就是Theo現在工作的地方 他們有一批年輕的好打者 但是缺Arrieta以外的前段先發 Other teams that figure to enter the mix are the typical names we see assorted with high-end free agents. Though the Yankees maintain that they won ’t pursue Lester, Scherzer or Shields, it’s possible they’ll change their tune if they’re unable to re-sign Brandon McCarthy and Chase Headley. The Dodgers have the cash to pull off a deal, though they’re said to be looking to tone down spending this winter. I still won’t rule them out as a possibility. The Tigers and Angels have high payrolls but cloudy long-term outlooks thanks to existing salary on the books. Neither seems a fit barring trades to create some long-term flexibility. 另外就是幾支大市場球隊 例如洋基 道奇 老虎 天使等等 The rest of Lester’s market will have to consist of dark horses, and agents Seth and Sam Levinson of ACES will likely need to pitch to owners of some unlikely teams that Lester could be a franchise-altering decision. To this point, the Royals have shown some preliminary interest, and Lester is set to meet with the Braves on Thursday. The Cardinals have also been linked to Lester. 其他黑馬包括 皇家 勇士 紅雀等球隊 則需要經紀人直接找上老闆溝通 讓老闆相信Lester會是那奪冠的最後一塊拼圖 Beyond that, a team like the Astros has the long-term payroll freedom to make a move, as do the Marlins, who could feel that adding Lester would be a significant step toward building a perennial contender now that they’ve extended Giancarlo Stanton. The Nationals have plenty of money and are set to lose both Jordan Zimmermann and Doug Fister next winter. Trading one and swapping him out for Lester could is a long shot but not unthinkable. The Giants haven’t spent at this level on the free agent market since their ill-fated Barry Zito deal, but they have rotation needs and are flush with cash following the World Series. The Rangers deserve a mention as a team with a willingness to spend and a need for starters, but GM Jon Daniels has indicated they may not be big spenders on the open market. Could a reunion with his hometown Mariners be in the cards? Seattle’s primary need is offense, but if they again have trouble luring hitters to Safeco Field, GM Jack Zduriencik could double down on an existing strength and look to build an even more imposing rotation. 除此之外 太空人 馬林魚 國民 巨人 遊騎兵 水手等球隊 某程度上也都會想要Lester在他們的陣中 Expected Contract 預期合約 As is often the case with big name free agents, it’s easy to look at Lester right now and think that outside of the traditional big spenders, there’s not much of a market for him if he’s seeking six or seven years at an annual value north of $20MM. With players of this caliber, the market isn’t always quick to reveal itself, but it does eventually materialize, and we typically see the top names get paid. 看看那些有錢花的球隊 就不難推測Lester的可能下家有哪些 沒有很多球隊負擔的起每年20M 六到七年的大約 雖然這類球員的市場成形需要一些時間 但最後他們通常都會拿到該拿的$$ Lester has said free agency isn’t all about the money, but I’d be surprised if his agents hadn’t at least kicked around the goal of trying to break CC Sabathia‘s $161MM guarantee, which is still the record for a free agent pitcher. (The Yankees did spend $175MM on Masahiro Tanaka, but $20MM of that sum went to Tanaka’s former team in Japan.) Lester曾經說過打球並不完全是為了錢 但如果他的經紀人不試試看能否讓他打破CC的161M保障約紀錄 將會令人訝異 Were Lester coming off a pair of dominant seasons, as Scherzer is, I think there would be a better case for that figure. As it is, however, he showed a significant gap between his two most recent dominant seasons. Also of note is that Sabathia, like fellow high-priced hurlers Zack Greinke and Cole Hamels, signed his contract at a significantly younger age than Lester. While we have to account for some inflation, as those deals are now older (and Hamels’, of course, was not an open-market deal), Lester may have a hard time getting the seventh guaranteed season. Looking at the majority of the significant pitching contracts signed in recent history, guarantees typically stop in the age-36 season, if not sooner. If that’s the case, Lester would need to achieve a $27MM annual salary to top Sabathia on a six-year deal, which seems a touch steep. 如果Lester是連兩季有去年這種宰制級的表現 這個目標將會比較容易達成 即便他在去年之前表現有些落差 考慮通膨因素之後 合理的比較對象應該是Hamels(7年153M)跟Greinke(6年159M)那兩張約 由於Lester拿到第七年保證約的機率不大 大概沒辦法超越CC的161M紀錄 In the end, I do think Lester can top the marks set by Hamels and Greinke. Lester was the best performer among free agent pitchers in 2014, so I can’t completely rule out him getting a seventh year and/or passing Sabathia’s mark. However, his age and the lack of a consistently dominant track record has me pegging him for a six-year, $153MM contract. 由於Lester是14年表現最佳的FA先發 我認為他將會拿得比Hamels跟Greinke還多 然而考慮到他的年齡以及並非持續性的維持宰制力 我預料他將會拿到六年153M的合約 --- 看到昨天球隊開給Lester的110M到120M offer之後 很多版友都覺得FO搞砸了 不過我想說的是 事實上在Lester去年賽揚級的表現之前 他連三年的表現都不是ACE級的 去年冬天開給他4年70M 頂多是一個保守的offer 但不至於有到羞辱人的程度 當然如果去年就端出6年120M的合約給他 他很可能會接受 但問題還是回到前面 開給31-36歲的二號先發6年120M的"延長合約"是明智的嗎? 個人認為拿他14年的表現來指責FO 這有點事後諸葛 至於季中該不該交易他 這又是另外一個問題了 至少從報導上看來 這並沒有影響他重返紅襪的意願 而我們也拿到多一年合約的Cespedes 可以頂上中心打線 或換另一個先發來補輪值洞 個人不覺得這是一個錯誤的move 不過在Lester去年的強勢表現之後 顯然現在要找他回來要付出更大的代價 如果如本文預測的六年150M以上 (平均一年25M) 大家覺得值得嗎? -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.243.100.53 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/RedSox/M.1416491567.A.8E4.html

11/20 21:58, , 1F
感覺他簽的到6年150M 值不值得就看他退化速度了
11/20 21:58, 1F

11/20 22:02, , 2F
6年120M,我想應該已經是我們的極限了吧。不過我想Lester
11/20 22:02, 2F

11/20 22:02, , 3F
沒辦法終身紅襪也許也有點影響到他的意願,雖然去綠帽的
11/20 22:02, 3F

11/20 22:02, , 4F
時間很短。
11/20 22:02, 4F
※ 編輯: seekforever (111.243.100.53), 11/20/2014 22:08:46

11/20 22:10, , 5F
在這支球隊內部沒有接替人選以及往外找同等級又得付出過大
11/20 22:10, 5F

11/20 22:10, , 6F
說這麼多 簽就對了
11/20 22:10, 6F

11/20 22:12, , 7F
代價的時候,6y/120M真的有那麼不智嗎? FUCK U 4y/70M
11/20 22:12, 7F

11/20 22:17, , 8F
eetolo 如果Lester去年仍然是2號先發的表現
11/20 22:17, 8F

11/20 22:17, , 9F
六年120M今年一樣簽得下來 只是他去年剛好生涯年而已
11/20 22:17, 9F

11/20 22:32, , 10F
生涯也就一年比較差而已就被打到二號 這樣想當然覺得不值
11/20 22:32, 10F

11/20 22:34, , 11F
一個過去這麼有貢獻的球隊一號開4y/70根本是笑話
11/20 22:34, 11F

11/20 22:36, , 12F
是光芒或綠帽這種沒預算留人的球隊也就算了 又不是沒錢
11/20 22:36, 12F

11/20 22:42, , 13F
他11-13三年xFIP分別是3.62, 3.82, 3.90這樣算1號嗎?
11/20 22:42, 13F

11/20 22:42, , 14F
他真正ACE級的球季分別是09,10跟去年
11/20 22:42, 14F

11/20 22:43, , 15F
如果沒有水晶球 請問看到他從11-13的表現
11/20 22:43, 15F

11/20 22:43, , 16F
有辦法預測他14年會投出這樣的表現嗎?
11/20 22:43, 16F

11/20 23:01, , 17F
根本把30隻球隊全部列過一遍
11/20 23:01, 17F

11/20 23:02, , 18F
Greinke簽約時年輕許多,Hamels好像不是FA時簽的?
11/20 23:02, 18F

11/20 23:03, , 19F
我不覺得是保守offer,那已經到相當過份的程度
11/20 23:03, 19F

11/20 23:08, , 20F
主要的可能不是在合約價格,而是合約長度,這年頭要簽一
11/20 23:08, 20F

11/20 23:09, , 21F
個第一次進FA的1號(就算不是Ace)也不是四年可以簽到的
11/20 23:09, 21F

11/20 23:10, , 22F
季中交易我覺得策略上沒甚麼問題,有問題是情感上的...
11/20 23:10, 22F

11/20 23:10, , 23F
至於最後一句問的值得嗎,我想他值這個價碼,但是不一定
11/20 23:10, 23F

11/20 23:10, , 24F
對每個球隊來說都是,如果他是我們未來幾年王朝的拼圖當
11/20 23:10, 24F

11/20 23:11, , 25F
然值得,不過看投手超過30退化的例子好多...
11/20 23:11, 25F

11/20 23:22, , 26F
11/20 23:22, 26F

11/20 23:49, , 27F
基本上如果簽回來,在紅襪退休的機會可能很大?
11/20 23:49, 27F

11/21 00:07, , 28F
基本上紅襪對自產的球員非常摳門、是眾所周知的事、然後
11/21 00:07, 28F

11/21 00:07, , 29F
捧大把鈔票去簽一些打出成績的FA、又不是人人都像小派一
11/21 00:07, 29F

11/21 00:07, , 30F
樣佛心…
11/21 00:07, 30F

11/21 00:33, , 31F
Lester本來就是elite #2而非ace啊
11/21 00:33, 31F

11/21 01:22, , 32F
我記得他原本只要6y/90M就會留了
11/21 01:22, 32F

11/21 01:24, , 33F
如果沒記錯 根本不用看他14年成績就知道不給很摳門
11/21 01:24, 33F

11/21 01:46, , 34F
Pedey真的是太特別的例子了,這態勢是要退休背號的阿
11/21 01:46, 34F

11/21 01:50, , 35F
Lester趕緊回來吧,現在能終生紅襪的實在少之又少
11/21 01:50, 35F

11/21 02:25, , 36F
小派99%了吧..2座(↑)+MVP+佛約
11/21 02:25, 36F

11/21 02:30, , 37F
我印象原本是6y / 105M
11/21 02:30, 37F

11/21 09:11, , 38F
快簽啦!輪值慘翻天
11/21 09:11, 38F

11/21 09:15, , 39F
希望能回得來啦T_T
11/21 09:15, 39F

11/21 09:47, , 40F
即便去年100/5都可考慮,Lester的投球型態有機會打老人球
11/21 09:47, 40F

11/21 10:43, , 41F
6 120感覺就是我們的極限了...
11/21 10:43, 41F

11/21 10:50, , 42F
但說真的6Y/120M真的差不多啊...走完合約都36了...
11/21 10:50, 42F

11/21 10:50, , 43F
投手風險又比野手大很多...
11/21 10:50, 43F

11/21 13:02, , 44F
看看Pedro跟Lowe 能提六年約已經是跨出一大步了
11/21 13:02, 44F

11/21 13:04, , 45F
這兩個人在30歲紅襪都不想開五年了 年齡真的是分界線
11/21 13:04, 45F

11/21 13:24, , 46F
不過搶人就是這樣比凱的 ...
11/21 13:24, 46F

11/21 15:46, , 47F
1年25M 那就綁隻真ace回來 不知是否被cc嚇到
11/21 15:46, 47F

11/21 15:47, , 48F
老感覺合約年爆發的人 也就只有合約年會爆發
11/21 15:47, 48F

11/21 16:09, , 49F
今年除了他你也只能綁Scherzer 他可不只25M
11/21 16:09, 49F

11/21 17:39, , 50F
回來吧 T.T Jon
11/21 17:39, 50F

11/21 17:45, , 51F
若i版友提的6y/105M為真 現在6y/120M也合理 也值得
11/21 17:45, 51F

11/21 17:46, , 52F
那我也看不出為何試試6y/165M追看看薛澤有什麼不對
11/21 17:46, 52F

11/21 17:49, , 53F
我也是歐巴桑心態 再找過八
11/21 17:49, 53F

11/21 17:49, , 54F
兩個都再看看
11/21 17:49, 54F

11/21 18:25, , 55F
當初開那個70M 就已經是不想簽他了啊 現在開這約是什麼意思
11/21 18:25, 55F

11/21 19:27, , 56F
現在開這約就差不多是redsox能開出的極限呀...上下不多
11/21 19:27, 56F

11/21 21:17, , 57F
快回來吧~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11/21 21:17, 57F

11/21 22:25, , 58F
自己家養出來的,情感上絕對不同
11/21 22:25, 58F

11/22 00:40, , 59F
自己養出來的!自己養出來的!自己養出來的!就這樣
11/22 00:40, 59F

11/22 02:00, , 60F
他對你有那麼深感情 早就續下去了拉35 36的投手2000萬
11/22 02:00, 60F

11/22 02:01, , 61F
想到就毛
11/22 02:01, 61F

11/22 06:56, , 62F
現在市場價120M/6y基本簽不下Lester
11/22 06:56, 62F

11/22 06:58, , 63F
樓上說的我想很多人都知道吧 襪迷也知道
11/22 06:58, 63F

11/22 07:00, , 64F
所以球迷才在喊加碼阿
11/22 07:00, 64F

11/22 07:02, , 65F
下禮拜Lester還要跟兩隊見面 要有結果大概要等到12
11/22 07:02, 65F

11/22 07:02, , 66F
月初了吧
11/22 07:02, 66F

11/22 18:26, , 67F
往好處想....至少到那之前還不會太傷心
11/22 18:26, 67F

11/22 19:12, , 68F
市面上這三個哪個3536不用2000萬 這麼毛都不要簽好了
11/22 19:12, 68F

11/22 20:34, , 69F
是 大大 都簽 三隻都簽 我毛我錯了
11/22 20:34, 69F

11/22 22:27, , 70F
XD
11/22 22:27, 70F

11/22 23:41, , 71F
XDDDDD
11/22 23:41, 71F

11/23 09:44, , 72F
有種簽3隻阿XDDDDD
11/23 09:44, 72F

11/23 13:23, , 73F
都簽你要出錢嗎?
11/23 13:23, 73F

11/23 14:28, , 74F
不是很了解S65大的想法…165/6給薛澤的話同樣也是35、36
11/23 14:28, 74F

11/23 14:28, , 75F
要給27
11/23 14:28, 75F

11/23 14:28, , 76F
這樣不是更恐怖?
11/23 14:28, 76F

11/24 11:08, , 77F
nick大 我的意思是都再看看
11/24 11:08, 77F

11/24 11:09, , 78F
對照當初4年 現在得加到6年 年薪也提高
11/24 11:09, 78F

11/24 11:11, , 79F
如果加碼給Lester合理 那同樣加碼給薛澤為何不合理
11/24 11:11, 79F

11/24 11:13, , 80F
若給薛澤的合約內含逃脫 那依Boras的講法
11/24 11:13, 80F

11/24 11:14, , 81F
逃脫條款訂來就是要用的 那這兩三年他健康他自己會逃
11/24 11:14, 81F

11/24 11:17, , 82F
其實還是再看看 當年雷姬拿1800丟那樣子 看了很痛苦
11/24 11:17, 82F
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