[新聞] Red Sox stars blast manager Bobby Valentine in heated July meeting

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http://0rz.tw/Tjq9k Exclusive: Red Sox stars blast manager Bobby Valentine in heated July meeting with ownership Boston Red Sox players blasted manager Bobby Valentine to owners John Henry and Larry Lucchino during a heated meeting called after a text message was sent by a group of frustrated players to the team and ownership in late July, three sources familiar with the meeting told Yahoo! Sports. 襪襪球員在會議上向老闆抱怨8BV The owners called the meeting for Boston's off-day in New York on July 26 after first baseman Adrian Gonzalez, texting on behalf of himself and some teammates, aired their dissatisfaction with Valentine for embarrassing starting pitcher Jon Lester by leaving him in to allow 11 runs during a July 22 start. It was the latest incident in a season's worth of bad relations bubbling between Red Sox players and Valentine. 以阿岡為首 Gonzalez and Dustin Pedroia were among the most vocal in the meeting, in which some players stated flatly they no longer wanted to play for Valentine, the sources said. The tenor of the 2 p.m. meeting at The Palace hotel in New York turned ugly almost immediately, according to the sources, whom Yahoo! Sports granted anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about internal matters. 阿岡和小派罵得最大聲 其他球員則說就是不想為8BV打球了 Not all of the Red Sox players attended the meeting, the sources said, highlighting the chasm that exists not only between some players and Valentine but among players in the clubhouse. The perception that Valentine is being scapegoated unfairly to divert attention from mediocre performances by star players exists among some players, according to sources. 有人認為8BV是明星球員表現平庸的代罪羔羊 Red Sox general manager Ben Cherington confirmed the meeting. Although he declined to provide specifics about what was said, he told Yahoo! Sports: "The intent of the meeting was to provide a forum for people to express whatever frustration needed to be expressed at a time during the season when things were not going exactly the way we wanted to on the field in hopes that we could put whatever issues were there aside and focus on playing games the rest of the season. That was the intent of the meeting. That was the focus of ownership. It was a productive meeting. Ben出來講官話: 這是有用的會議 球員可以表達挫折 "Since then, we have not gone on the run we were supposed to." Ownership has not wavered in its support of Valentine since the meeting, and the sources said players have accepted that Valentine will remain manager for at least the rest of the season. The Red Sox doubled down on Valentine over the last week despite the perception that his first year as Boston manager has been an abject failure. Boston, with an opening day payroll of $173.2 million, is 57-59 and sits 11 games back of the first-place Yankees and 5½ behind the second wild card. The Red Sox's last sub-.500 season was in 1997. Through a spokesman, the team and Valentine declined comment. 會議以來,高層沒動搖對8BV的支持,球員接受8BV至少會帶完本季。 襪襪戰績很爛。 Eight days ago, besieged by questions about Valentine's present and future, Red Sox general manager Cherington told reporters: "Bobby is our manager, and we're not considering anyone else. He's as committed to managing the team as he ever has been, and we're committed to him and trying to do everything we can to support him and make this work." Ben力挺8BV:我們不考慮別人。 Henry emailed a statement to Boston media members that echoed the sentiment. "To blame Bobby Valentine for the Red Sox being .500 at this point in the season," he wrote, "is simply wrong." Henry聲明:把襪襪現在勝率低於五成,怪在8BV身上是錯的。 Some of the Red Sox's biggest names disagree. 有些襪襪球員不同意。 Issues that have inflamed players range far and wide. Leaving in Lester, a well-respected figure in the clubhouse, to get blasted for 11 runs and four home runs against Toronto soured players already beaten down by Valentine's managerial style. Valentine uttering "Nice inning, kid" to rookie third baseman Will Middlebrooks after he made a defensive blunder – an episode to which Valentine admitted on WEEI radio – only furthered the animus toward the 62-year-old, who is managing in the major leagues for the first time since 2002. Since spring training, players have chafed at Valentine's careless – and occasionally self-serving – interactions with the Boston media, which his predecessor, Terry Francona, handled adroitly. "I don't think it's that uncommon for complaints to be made during the season," Cherington told Yahoo! Sports. "I'm not going to comment specifically on those complaints. Our owners felt, given where we were at that time in the season, given the collective frustration, we had not accomplished what we wanted to. It was time to get together and hash things out. There were no ultimatums issued. There were concerns expressed. Some very positive things expressed, too. We felt that it was an opportunity to get things off people's chests and move forward." From the beginning of the Red Sox's courtship of Valentine this offseason to the double-barreled votes of confidence last week, the match of the hard-nosed Bobby V with the laissez-faire Boston clubhouse seemed tenuous at best. It has proven far worse, personified best perhaps by a picture circulating around via text message, according to a fourth source. A general lack of respect for Valentine has pervaded the clubhouse throughout the season. It may have peaked two days after the meeting, on July 28, when Francona entered the Red Sox's clubhouse as an ESPN analyst. He started talking with Pedroia, his most strident loyalist. Other players soon joined the conversation, which lingered for 45 minutes. Francona apologized the next day. The Red Sox's tumultuous year started with their collapse last September, followed by the team declining to re-sign Francona. After general manager Theo Epstein left to run the Chicago Cubs, Cherington, one of his assistants, took control of the team – until Lucchino wrested the managerial hire from him. Ownership picked Valentine and Cherington rubber-stamped it, hopeful the organization could grow cohesive over the two-year span of Valentine's contract. Instead, the Red Sox have splintered, not a shock considering Valentine's history of divide-and-conquer management. For all of his supposed strategic genius, Valentine wore out his welcome managing the Texas Rangers and New York Mets because of his willingness to napalm personal relationships. It led to a decade-long exile from the major leagues, most of which he spent in Japan. Valentine returned no different a manager. He barely talks with some of the coaches on his staff, several of whom remain Francona supporters. The trade of Kevin Youkilis, the World Series fixture who first exposed fractures between the players and Valentine, devolved into a public-relations mess. Then there are the oddities, like Valentine devising a plan to never play outfielder Carl Crawford more than four days in a row because of an elbow that may need surgery, only to abandon the idea less than a week later. Certainly the concoction of losing and an unfamiliar style has hurt Valentine's standing with players. Ownership remains in Valentine's corner, with Henry saying in his statement eight days ago: "We have been nothing but supportive of him inside and outside the clubhouse." The support, according to the sources, baffles those against Valentine, who wonder why the meeting was called if it wasn't going to change anything. 高層支持8BV讓討厭8BV的球員困惑。既然啥都改變不了,召開會議有__用。 During the meeting, the players told Henry and Lucchino that part of the disconnect comes from Valentine spending excessive time in his office. He'll retreat there again tonight, when Boston takes on Baltimore at Camden Yards, still wearing a Red Sox uniform, still running one of baseball's great teams, survivor of a mutiny. For now. -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 210.69.89.2

08/15 07:38, , 1F
小派就算了 感覺像好好先生的阿岡靠杯最大聲
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08/15 07:40, , 2F
再立威啊 去動小派跟阿岡啊
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08/15 07:43, , 3F
不知道老爹有沒有說什麼 如果連他都靠盃8BV 科科
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08/15 07:45, , 4F
一個總教練來個半季就把當家一二三壘全惹毛 不簡單
08/15 07:45, 4F

08/15 07:48, , 5F
GM也是同夥的阿!!!!!!!!!!
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08/15 08:48, , 6F
監督在日本像老爸一樣 Bobby把日本那套帶來管major球員
08/15 08:48, 6F

08/15 08:52, , 7F
鐵拳振表示:
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08/15 09:04, , 8F
若這戰績最後能讓大情人走路 值得!!
08/15 09:04, 8F

08/15 09:05, , 9F
也不看看別隊 換了打擊教練就飛天了
08/15 09:05, 9F

08/15 09:11, , 10F
終於開炮了 可是GM照挺
08/15 09:11, 10F

08/15 09:27, , 11F
純噓紅襪內奸總管Ben Charington
08/15 09:27, 11F

08/15 09:40, , 12F
連"No I, Team First"的Peddy都砲轟這麼大聲,大情人真該滾了
08/15 09:40, 12F

08/15 09:51, , 13F
Peddy從季初對8BV的砲聲好像就沒停過
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08/15 09:52, , 14F
P好像沒直接砲? 但光頭事件是站在光頭那邊
08/15 09:52, 14F

08/15 09:55, , 15F
四月他不就說過8BV把人冰板凳那套只在日本有用了?
08/15 09:55, 15F

08/15 09:58, , 16F
對喔 謝謝提醒
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08/15 09:59, , 17F
掐靈頓和大情人一起滾蛋吧
08/15 09:59, 17F

08/15 11:54, , 18F
小派又開砲了~Bobby你切腹吧~反正你日系哲學嘛
08/15 11:54, 18F

08/15 12:31, , 19F
多數有用的傷員都回來了 戰績還是不見起色 變裝癖:紅襪是
08/15 12:31, 19F

08/15 12:32, , 20F
季後賽隊伍 咯咯
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08/15 13:12, , 21F
整個內野都被引戰了 小帥哥也來炮吧
08/15 13:12, 21F

08/15 13:15, , 22F
內野只有菜的不敢嗆聲了 8BV真是失敗
08/15 13:15, 22F

08/15 13:38, , 23F
8BV滾蛋!!
08/15 13:38, 23F

08/15 18:20, , 24F
BobbyV調度很爛,帶人也很爛,但上場的是球員,錢也領的比他多
08/15 18:20, 24F

08/15 18:21, , 25F
球員打不好不能拿總教練爛當藉口
08/15 18:21, 25F

08/15 19:32, , 26F
教練和GM兩個都爛爆了就是事實
08/15 19:32, 26F

08/15 19:57, , 27F
不管薪水是領多少 如果球員們不服教練時 球員自然會出現公
08/15 19:57, 27F

08/15 19:59, , 28F
務員的心態 而且球員離開的話也並不會失去什麼
08/15 19:59, 28F

08/15 20:01, , 29F
再說之前鄉民們x的要死的粉科南 反觀球員們對他也沒出現這
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08/15 20:02, , 30F
麼如此的波濤洶湧
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08/15 20:04, , 31F
雖然今年傷兵是多到誇張 幾乎是一進一出 二進一出的比例
08/15 20:04, 31F

08/15 20:05, , 32F
但奪冠的老將.球員都還在 精神.經驗依舊 就欠缺一個帶心的
08/15 20:05, 32F

08/15 22:59, , 33F
redsoxqq
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08/16 11:08, , 34F
教練能帶心 打線都能擊潰洋基 所以問題就是教練
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08/16 11:09, , 35F
只是老闆和掐零頓都很淡定
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08/16 11:10, , 36F
牛棚群的實力只能打中職 勘用嗎?
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