[外電] Price trade is better than you think

看板Rays作者 (光芒今年拿冠軍)時間10年前 (2014/08/01 16:17), 10年前編輯推噓15(15024)
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http://ppt.cc/4CSa That's it? That's all? Bet that's what you're thinking right now. I'm guessing that was your immediate reaction when you heard the Rays traded their best pitcher — the best pitcher they have ever had, maybe the best player they have ever had — to the Tigers just before Thursday's Major League Baseball nonwaiver trade deadline. At first glance, the return for All-Star pitcher David Price seems rather light. The Rays got a mediocre major-league pitcher, a middle infielder who has yet to really stick in the majors and an 18-year-old prospect still down in Class A ball. Egads. They got more for Matt Garza, didn't they? They got a better haul when they traded James Shields, wouldn't you say? So what the heck happened? The Rays just got fleeced, right? Well, to everyone looking to burn down the Trop, calm down. Take a deep breath. Put away those pitchforks and torches. It's not the end of the world. It's not the end of the Rays. 就這樣?沒了?我相信你現在一定是這樣想,我相信在你聽說光芒隊史上最好的投手 在交易大限前賣給老虎隊的反應後一定是這樣,第一眼看下來光芒賣掉Price之後拿回來的 好像少了一些,光芒拿到了一個平凡的大聯盟投手,一個在大聯盟掙扎的中線內野手,跟一 個在1A的18歲新秀,我的天啊,之前賣掉Garza跟Shields的時候不是都拿了很多嗎?所以到 底發生甚麼事了?光芒被搶劫了嗎?大家看起來都想掀了光芒球場,冷靜一下,深呼吸,這並 不是世界末日,也不是光芒的末日 This deal is better than you think. This deal seems all right. Maybe not so much for this weekend, but for the future, near and far. Call me gullible, but I'm banking that Rays executive vice president Andrew Friedman knows what he's doing. His history is too good. His resume includes too many good trades to declare 12 seconds after this one that he just swung and missed. He has always managed to turn these veteran salary dumps into pretty good swaps. 這筆交易比你想的好,這筆交易似乎不錯 也許對這個周末來說不太好,但對未來來說是還可以的 也許是我好騙吧,但是我相信Friedman知道他在幹嘛,他過去戰績輝煌,做了不少好的交 易,他總是能把很少的薪資空間做出很好的應用 First off, you cannot forget or dismiss the position Friedman and the Rays are in. They don't have enough money in the bank to keep Price long term. They don't have enough money, period, to do a lot of things. These types of trades and how the Rays run their organization are dictated by budget constraints. 第一,你不能無視光芒跟Friedman的處境,他們無法跟Price簽長約,他們沒錢,就這樣, 這就是光芒在薪資有限制的情況下所能做的交易 "It's really important for us — and it's a cliche, I know, and I say it all the time,'' Friedman said, "to have one eye on the present and one eye on the future because, if not, you fall off the cliff. And to fall off the cliff means five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 years of rebuilding. For us to be able to sustain success over the long term, these are decisions we have to make.'' "這對我們來說很重要,這都是陳腔濫調了,我知道而且我一直都是這樣說的",一隻眼睛 盯著現在而另一隻眼睛要盯著未來因為如果你不這樣做的話,你便會陷入萬丈深淵, 這意味著你將會面臨五到十年的重建期,為了我們長期的發展,我們必須這樣做 Remember that point. The Rays didn't want to trade Price. They had to. As far as the trade itself, no matter whom the Rays got in return, fans were going to be disappointed. There was going to be no player in the deal as good as Price. The Rays got immediately worse as soon as the trade was finalized. The already long and bumpy road to this year's playoffs just got even longer and bumpier, no doubt. 記住一點,光芒不想交易Price,他們必須這樣,就這筆交易來說,不管最後拿到誰,球迷們 都會很失落,因為不會球員比的上Price,他們在交易完成時變得比較沒競爭力,但這只是讓 本來就很艱辛的季後賽之路變得更顛頗罷了 Whenever you trade a superstar such as Price, fans want to hear that you got the other team's best prospect. Maybe they've never seen or even heard of the player, but they want an assuring title, such as "Baseball America's No. 1 prospect'' or "the next Miguel Cabrera.'' Or even the good old "can't miss'' label. 當你在交易光芒這種超級巨星的時候,球迷總是會希望可以去搶劫別人的頂級新秀,也許 你從來沒聽過他,但是你希望聽到他是"BA No.1"或"下一個Miguel Cabrera" Well, you won't find any of those encouraging titles here. This isn't like when they got Wil Myers, whose "minor-league player of the year'' sticker had you excited for the trade. 在這筆交易中你不會聽到這些,這不像你交易來了小聯盟最佳球員,Wil Myers Instead, the Rays went a different route. 反之,光芒走了不同的路 In the past, when they've made such deals, they've picked up Triple A-ready players, such as Myers, Chris Archer and Jake Odorizzi — players on the verge of taking the next step to the majors. And players who eventually came up and made major-league contributions. 在過去光芒做了許多交易,拿到了許多3A ready的球員像Myers,Chris Archer和 Jake Odorizzi這些已經準備好可以上大聯盟的球員,而他們最後也有成功登上大聯盟 This time, the Rays split the difference. 這次,他們做了點不一樣的 They went with a pitcher who can come in immediately and a prospect who is still years away. And another guy in the middle. 他們拿到了一個馬上可以用的投手,跟一個還要養一段時間的新秀,跟一個中線球員 Let's start with Drew Smyly, a left-handed pitcher who already is in the majors. Is he a dropoff from Price? Of course he is. But he's only 25 with an arrow that is pointing up. He has 35 major-league starts and a career ERA of a respectable 3.46. Not only is he going to step into the rotation for the rest of the season but will give you another 4½ years at a reasonable price. 我們從Smyly開始討論,一個在大聯盟準備好的左投,他比Price差嗎?這是無庸置疑的, 但是他才25歲而且蓄勢待發,他在大聯盟先發了35場並且有個不錯的防禦率,他不只會在 今年剩下的兩個月中加入輪值,他還可以用四年半,而且價格合理 He's not going to win a Cy Young, but if the Rays could afford Cy Young winners, they would've kept Price. Smyly should be a mainstay in the Rays rotation for years. 他不會拿下賽揚獎,但是如果光芒請得起賽揚強投,他們就會留Price了,Smyly將會是光芒 未來幾年主要的輪值之一 In addition, they acquired Willy Adames, certainly the wild card in this deal. He's an 18-year-old hotshot who some — obviously, Friedman among them — believe can be special. He's a kid, so you don't know for sure. Maybe he turns out to be the next Starlin Castro or maybe he turns into the next Tim Beckham. 除此之外,他們拿到了Willy Adames,他是這筆交易中的一個亮點(?)他是一個18歲的好手 ,至少Friedman是這樣相信的,相信他可以變得很特別,但他還小,也許他會變成另一個 Starlin Castro,或是Tim Beckman But so far, the reports are promising. He's off to a good start with his professional career and might be a gem. 但目前來說,就某些球探報告保證,他是一個未來之星 In the middle is Nick Franklin, a former first-round pick whom the Rays have coveted for a while now. He looks to me like a switch-hitting Sean Rodriguez, but Friedman sounds more optimistic than that. In the end, was it the kind of deal that makes you want to rush out and buy season tickets? Probably not. This trade does not seem to be going over well with most. Friedman knows that. Nick Franklin,一個光芒一直想要的前首輪簽球員,他對我來說看起來像S-rod但對 Friedman來說他覺得他可以做更多 "We have to do what we feel is in the best interest of this organization even when it might not be popular in the moment,'' Friedman said. "For us, playing meaningful games in September for as many years as we possibly can and winning as many World Series as possible — that's what we are motivated by and what we are focused on. It's us appreciating who we are and what we need to do to sustain success.'' "我們必須去做一個有許現在聽起來沒有很好但是對球隊最好的決定","對我們來說在九月 打些有意義的比賽跟我們有機會挑戰世界大賽冠軍是同樣多次的(?),這是我們被激發也 是我們一直在做的,這是我們所一直感激的,也是我們一直為了保持成功所做的" Friedman couldn't wait. The time to deal Price was now. The offers were not going to get better in the offseason. Friedman不能再等了,Price的交易現在就要完成,季末在交易也不會拿到比這個好 This was the best deal that fit into the Rays philosophy that he could get. He had no choice but to take it. 這是對光芒體系最適合也是他所能拿到最好的方案,他無法選擇,只能接受 Don't be surprised if it turns out to be pretty good after all. At least better than you think. 如果這個交易又會讓你驚訝也不要太意外 至少比你想像中的好 The Rays' return LHP Drew Smyly Age: 25 Ht./Wt.: 6-3; 190 2014 season: 21 G (18 GS), 6-9, 3.93 ERA, 105⅓ IP, 111 H, 31 BB, 89 K Career: 106 G (35 GS), 16-12, 3.46 ERA, 275⅔ IP, 255 H, 81 BB, 262 K Fast facts: Moved back into starting rotation this season after strong year in bullpen in 2013. … Deep arsenal with fastball around 90, cutter, slider, curve and change. … Had second-best K/9 ratio (7.8) on Tigers staff. … Second-round pick in 2010 out of University of Arkansas. INF Nick Franklin Age: 23 Ht./Wt.: 6-1; 195 2014 season: Majors: 17 G, 47 ABs, .128 BA, .192 OBP, .170 SLG, 0 HRs, 2 RBIs. Minors: 75 G, 279 ABs, .294/.392/.455, 9 HRs, 47 RBIs Career: 119 G, 416 ABs, .214/.291/.358, 12 HRs, 47 RBIs Fast facts: Played 102 games in majors in 2013 but was odd man out after signing of 2B Robinson Cano. … Considered bat-first player who is better suited for 2B than SS. … Line-drive swing could produce 30-plus doubles, 15-20 homers a year. … Switch-hitter who has been stronger from left side. … First-round pick in 2009 out of Lake Brantley High. SS Willy Adames Age: 18 Ht./Wt.: 6-1; 180 2014 season: at Class A West Michigan: 98 G, 353 ABs, .269/.346/.428, 6 HRs, 50 RBIs Fast facts: Rated Tigers' No. 4 prospect by Baseball America. After trade, was rated Rays' No. 2 prospect by mlb.com. … Detroit's top international signing in 2012, the Dominican Adames has held his own as the youngest everyday player in the Midwest League. … Above-average athlete with good bat speed, has shown solid patience and power for his age. … Has hands and arm for SS but might outgrow position. Nick Franklin Height/weight: 6-1; 195 Position: INFAge: 23 2014 stats: .128 avg., 0 HR, 2 RBIs, 1 SB Drew Smyly Height/weight: 6-3; 190 Position: LHPAge: 25 2014 stats: 6-9 W-L, 3.93 ERA, 89K's, 31 BB Price被賤賣讓大家都很失望,來看點不一樣的,感覺有釋懷一點了......? -- █◣◢█ ╮ ╭═════╮ ╭═ theanswer3═◢═══╮ ╰═══╯ ◢ ◢╰═════╯ ◢▌ I was hoping. TB ████ ◢█◣ ◢▌█ ◢▌█ ◢█◣ ◣█◣ ██◣ ◢█◣ █ □- █◥◤█ █◢█ █◢█ █◢ ◢█ █ █ ◥ ◤ ◥◤◥ ◥◤◥ ◥◤◥ ◥█◤ ◥▌◤ ◥█◤ ◥◤◥ ◆◤◆◤ ╰═════════════════════════════════ #70 ══╯ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 60.245.65.128 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Rays/M.1406881056.A.204.html

08/01 16:27, , 1F
Franky最好能夠回神,年輕人養得起來,Smyly不要傷
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08/01 16:27, , 2F
假設這樣的話...靠,我怎麼還是覺得有虧....
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08/01 16:59, , 3F
最好的情況:Smyly=John Danks, Franky=Zoby, Adames
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08/01 17:01, , 4F
= Elvis Andrews;最差的情況:Smyly=J.P Howell,
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08/01 17:01, , 5F
好歹Franklin今年以前也是個百大新秀
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08/01 17:01, , 6F
今年在ML雖然打得差 但也只有50個PA而已...
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08/01 17:01, , 7F
Franky = S-Rod, Adames= minor league guy...
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08/01 17:02, , 8F
雖然Price可以換到更好的 但怎麼一堆人把他說得一文
08/01 17:02, 8F

08/01 17:02, , 9F
不值= =
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08/01 17:03, , 10F
不過,Franky剛上大聯盟那段期間,真的打的很好
08/01 17:03, 10F

08/01 17:03, , 11F
那時剛好常看球對他印象很深,娃娃臉但POWER很好XD
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08/01 17:03, , 12F
Franky問題有多大,A大不會更不了解,都已經用一個
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08/01 17:04, , 13F
用不到的新秀換到先發中外野手了,還是別得了便宜還
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08/01 17:04, , 14F
賣乖吧!囧"
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08/01 17:05, , 15F
何況這篇是譯文,覺得Franky很可能就是個4A級的新秀
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08/01 17:05, , 16F
那50個Major PA 是災難啊。...很想裝作沒看到
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08/01 17:06, , 17F
並不在少數。加上這裡愁雲慘霧的...期待Franky打臉XD
08/01 17:06, 17F

08/01 17:06, , 18F
可是他就是在那 囧> 我是希望他能撞破這道牆啦
08/01 17:06, 18F

08/01 17:07, , 19F
我沒有別的意思啦 不過我是覺得來你們這也許你們的教
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08/01 17:07, , 20F
練團可以幫他修正缺點 希望火男也是如此預想
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08/01 17:12, , 21F
光芒打教不可信 XD
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08/01 17:28, , 22F
對了 Myers什麼時候才能回來啊qq
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08/01 17:34, , 23F
預定八月中
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08/01 17:34, , 24F
1不過現在外野人爆滿 可能要想一下怎麼處理 XD
08/01 17:34, 24F

08/01 17:48, , 25F
建寧/KK/Myers 然後Guyer和Joyce輪流打DH?
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08/01 17:53, , 26F
別忘了德黑叔阿~~~~~這樣真的超擠的
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08/01 17:53, , 27F
這樣看來Joyce季末走定了....
08/01 17:53, 27F

08/01 18:42, , 28F
Smyly看完draybay那篇分析後覺得還滿不錯的 比Odz更
08/01 18:42, 28F

08/01 18:42, , 29F
不會掉的直球 軌跡很怪異的曲球 尾勁很好的滑球 最差
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08/01 18:42, , 30F
的是變速球 剛好是我們的特產
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08/01 18:45, , 31F
Smyly如果可以修好變速就好了 至少這筆交易不會虧太
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08/01 18:48, , 33F
不過最大的影響還是吃局數能力 Smyly這季先發平均不
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08/01 18:49, , 34F
到六局 整整比Price少了兩局 對牛棚會是很大的負擔
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08/01 18:49, , 35F
再厲害的牛群也無法負荷頻繁的出賽
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08/01 21:51, , 36F
與其期待Smyly不如期待Cobb XD,我現在比較擔心的是
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08/01 21:51, , 37F
Hellickson,這兩場都投不滿五局
08/01 21:51, 37F
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08/02 00:18, , 38F
Hellboy在控管球數吧 這2場都90多 慢慢來就好
08/02 00:18, 38F

08/02 09:19, , 39F
今天還是沒投滿五局還掉四分.. 雖然只用80球
08/02 09:19, 39F
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