[閒聊] 海盜有可能像同城的NHL球隊一樣奪冠嗎?

看板Pirates作者yunajane (yunajane)時間15年前 (2009/06/15 00:09)推噓5(5推 0噓 2→)

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NHL的匹茲堡企鵝隊剛奪下冠軍，這件事看在很多海盜迷眼裡恐怕有點不是滋味，有不少人都在談海盜有沒有可能像企鵝一樣， B.U.C.C.O Fan有篇文章談到這個問題，翻譯一下： Saturday, June 13, 2009 Pirates Notebook: Penguins show what is wrong with the Pirates by Tim Williams at 8:39 PM In the aftermath of the Pittsburgh Penguins winning their first Stanley Cup since 1992 (which was the last time the Pittsburgh Pirates had a winning season) I've noticed a lot of people wondering why the Pirates can't compete in a city where the other two professional sports teams are currently champions. 就在匹茲堡企鵝奪下他們自1992以來首座史丹利金盃後(這也是匹茲堡海盜隊最後一個勝率超過五成的球季)，我注意到許多人在談為什麼位於同一座城市的海盜隊，不能像其它兩隻職業球隊一樣有奪冠機會。 A few of the common complaints I've noticed: 我注意到的一些抱怨包括： -The Penguins actually pursue free agents (Fedotenko, Satan) -Rather than trade their players for prospects, the Penguins acquire veteran help for a playoff run -The Penguins lock their stars up long term 企鵝真的在找自由球員不但沒用新秀換球員，企鵝還在季後賽找來老將幫忙。企鵝把他們的明星球員用長約綁住。 Now I'll agree that the Penguins run things a lot differently than the Pirates. The Pirates don't pursue big free agents, only going after bench players and bullpen arms, and only those of the lower quality variety. When the Pirates make a trade, it is usually for prospects, sending one of their best players off in exchange for the unproven prospects. And the only player the Pirates have retained past free agency in the last several years has been Jack Wilson. 我同意企鵝的經營方式和海盜差很多，海盜不追逐大牌自由球員，頂多就是找板凳球員或是牛棚，而這些球員通常素質不佳且差異性很大。海盜的交易都是為了找進新秀，不然就是把他們最好的球員之一拿來換還證明自己能力的新秀。過去幾年海盜在自由球員市場上還留著的球員就是Jack Wilson。 Don't confuse this as being a problem with the Pirates though, and don't give the Penguins management too much credit. 別以為這就是海盜的問題，也先別急著誇企鵝的管理階層。 The fact is that this displays a major difference between the NHL and MLB. All I have to do is point out the pre-lockout Penguins to show what is wrong with the Pirates. 事實是這顯示出NHL與MLB有多大不同，我能做的就是指出之前企鵝的狀況來顯示出海盜的問題在哪。 It wasn't until after the lockout that the Penguins started making splashes in the free agent market, and locking up their star players. It's not like they were carrying out this practice before the lockout (Jaromir Jagr, Martin Straka). 企鵝不是一直在追逐大牌自由球員的。一直到NHL的停賽風波後(譯註2004-2005球季，NHL 因資方封館而賽事停擺)，企鵝才開始在自由球員市場有大動作，並綁住他們的明星球員，在停賽風波前他們可沒這樣玩。 The new NHL provides a salary cap, a salary floor, and a better revenue sharing plan than baseball currently has. This allows the Penguins to lock up their young players, and contend with teams from New York and Boston. This year all of the NHL teams were betwee $40.7 M and $56.7 M in payroll. By comparison, the range in baseball is between $36.8 M and $201.4 M this season. NHL有薪資上限、薪資下限，它們的收入分享制度也比棒球還好，這使企鵝可以綁住他們的年輕球員，也能和紐約、波士頓的球隊競爭。今年NHL隊伍的薪資是在4070萬至5670萬美元之間，大聯盟今年則是3680萬至2億140萬美元。 The Pirates are in a similar situation that the Penguins were in before the lockout. They may not be facing bankruptcy, but they aren't exactly in position to spend in line with the majority of teams in the league. They aren't in position to retain their star players once free agency hits. Until baseball adopts a salary cap, salary floor, and a better revenue sharing plan, the Pirates won't be able to do what the Penguins or Steelers do. 海盜和過去企鵝在停賽風波前的處境有點像，他們雖然不至於破產，但也不可能和同聯盟的豪門球隊一樣花那麼多錢。一旦隊中有選手取得自由球員資格，球隊也沒有財力留住他。直到MLB也用薪資上限、薪資下限及制訂更好的收入分享機制前，海盜不可能做到像鋼人一樣。 A lot of references are made about the Milwaukee Brewers spending $30 M more than the Pirates, despite being in similar markets. The Brewers also sold over 3 million tickets last year, about 1.4 million more than the Pirates. In fact, just pointing out the 2009 payroll differences doesn't begin to tell the story of the difference between these two teams. 看釀酒人的例子可以帶來很多啟發：儘管市場規模類似，但它花的錢比海盜多3000萬美元，釀酒人去年賣出300萬張門票，比海盜多出140萬張，事實上光指出2009年兩隊薪資差距並沒法看出兩隊真正的差異在哪裡。 From 1993 to 2004 the Pirates and Brewers both experienced losing seasons every year. Milwaukee averaged $31.5 M in payroll per year over that time span, while Pittsburgh averaged $28.6 M in payroll. Milwaukee finished with an 825-1051 record, while Pittsburgh finished with an 835-1041 record. Safe to say that the two teams were very similar during this time stretch as far as payroll and records go. 從1993到2004年，海盜與釀酒人每年都勝少敗多，釀酒人在這段期間平均每年薪資總和 3150萬美元，海盜則是2860萬美元。釀酒人戰績825勝1051敗，海盜則是835勝1041敗。可以這麼說，這兩隊就薪資與戰績來說是很類似的。 Then came 2005. Milwaukee spent $39.9 M and Pittsburgh spent $38.1 M. However, Pittsburgh went 67-95, while Milwaukee went 81-81. 然後到2005年，釀酒人花了3990萬，海盜花了3810萬，但釀酒人當年戰績81勝81敗；海盜 67勝95敗。 From there Milwaukee saw their payroll increase, going to $57.6 M in 2006, $71 M in 2007, and $80 M the last two years. It's hard to argue that this wasn't due to their success and higher attendance figures. Meanwhile the Pirates put up losing records, and kept their payroll under $50 M, which can be explained by low attendance figures and poor talent. 從這時起，釀酒人薪資就一路上升，2006年5760萬，2007年7100萬，過去兩年是8000萬，很難去爭論這不是因為他們的戰績不錯與票房佳。同時間，海盜卻持續在輸，薪資也一直壓在5000萬以下，這可以解釋為何海盜票房低迷與找不到有潛力新秀。 I'm not saying it's impossible for the Pirates to win in today's MLB. The Brewers are a perfect example that you CAN win if you're a small market team. What I am saying is that you can't point to the championships by the Steelers and Penguins this year and assume it's easy for the Pirates to achieve the same results. 我不是說海盜不可能在今天MLB的生態下勝出，釀酒人是個完美例子：即使你是小市場球隊，你還是可以贏球。我說的是你不能拿鋼人和企鵝今年的例子，然後假設海盜也很容易能達成它們的成就。 The Brewers are where they are right now because they drafted Ben Sheets, Corey Hart, J.J. Hardy, Prince Fielder, Rickie Weeks, Yovani Gallardo, Ryan Braun, and Matt LaPorta (who they used to get C.C. Sabathia). That's all since 1999. 釀酒人有今日的成就，是因為過去他們選了Ben Sheets、Corey Hart，J.J. Hardy、 Prince Fielder、Ricke Weeks、Yovani Gallardo, Ryan Braun及 Matt LaPorta (後來這位被用來交換C.C. Sabathia)，這是1999年以來他們所做的事。 . In that same time period the Pirates have drafted Ryan Doumit, Sean Burnett, Nate McLouth, Ian Snell, Zach Duke, Matt Capps, Nyjer Morgan, Paul Maholm, Tom Gorzelanny, and Andrew McCutchen. There's some good players in there, but the Pirates lack consistent production, and don't have superstars like Braun or Fielder, or aces like Sheets and Gallardo. 同一時間海盜選了Ryan Doumit, Sean Burnett, Nate McLouth, Ian Snell, Zach Duke, Matt Capps, Nyjer Morgan, Paul Maholm, Tom Gorzelanny, 還有Andrew McCutchen。這裡面有些好手，但海盜的選秀質量卻沒有持續保持，而且海盜也沒有像 Ryan Braun或Prince Fielder等巨星，或是Ben Sheets、Gallardo等王牌投手。 The Pirates have struggled the last 17 years mostly due to poor talent evaluation, and poor development. That's something they can't do when the scales are so mis-aligned in baseball. Even a team like Milwaukee, after years of great drafting, and success in the regular season, can't afford to outspend the big market teams to keep free agents like C.C. Sabathia. It's absurd to think the Pirates can just go out and get any free agent they want, or even extend their own players, like Jason Bay, who won't even sign an extension with the Red Sox. 海盜過去十七年來的窘境，大部份是因對球員天份的評估能力太差，以及培養能力不佳。這是他們在棒球這個體制下所無法做到的。即使像釀酒人這樣的球隊，多年來選秀選得如此成功，在例行賽戰績也如此亮眼，它們也沒有足夠財力去和豪門球隊競逐市場上像 C.C. Sabathia等自由球員，要海盜能馬上搶到他們想要的自由球員，是不切實際的，更別提要和他們的球員延長合約－Jason Bay也甚至不想和紅襪簽延長合約。 Pittsburgh is now home to the current NFL and NHL champions. I'm not saying it's impossible for the Pirates to ever join those two teams in their success. However, unless we see some big changes in the structure of major league baseball, the odds of that happening are drastically reduced. 匹茲堡有NFL及NHL冠軍，我不是說海盜不可能像這兩隻球隊一樣成功，但除非我們看到大聯盟制度有大變革，不然海盜要成功的機率可能性恐怕不高的。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 116.59.24.128

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