[外電] Marcin Gortat, Just How High Is His …

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連接 http://0rz.tw/YC7f2 Marcin Gortat, Just How High Is His Ceiling? Gortat的天花板在那裏? By by Seth Pollack There's been a lot of talk in the past few days about how good Marcin Gortat is and how great he might become. Both in the comments on this site and on local radio, he's being touted as the a future All-Star and was called by KTAR's John Gambodoro as the best center the Suns have had in the last 20 years. Even assuming Gambo considers Amare Stoudemire a power forward, that's still a bold claim after just 20 games in a Suns uniform. 過去一段時間一直有關於Gortat有多好以及他能夠多好的討論。不論是在這裡的評論還是 轉播上的,他被吹棒為未來的全明星同時被來自KTAR的John Gambodoro認為是過去20年裡 太陽有過最好的中鋒。即使假設Gambo把Amare歸為大前鋒,這樣的評論對於才穿上太陽球 衣20場的Gortat來說還是太過大膽了些。 First, let me say that I've always appreciated Gortat's game and even in a trade that I didn't like, considered him by far the most valuable piece. I am not "anti-Gortat" either personally -- he's a pretty cool dude who gives great quotes -- and on the floor. I just don't see him being nearly as good as some people might believe. 首先,我必須先說我一直很讚賞Gortat在場上的表現而儘管我不並喜歡那個交易,但是到 目前為止他是那個交易中最有價值的部分。我個人並不是一位反Gortat者--他是個不錯的 傢伙有非常好的評價--在球場上也一樣。只是我並沒有看見Gortat接近於人們可能相信他 能做到的那麼好。 Here's the numbers that people are using to make these claims (or maybe unaware of): 下面是那些人用於佐證的數據(也許他們並沒有意識到): ˙10.6 points and 7.8 rebounds through 20 games with the Suns. Shooting 58.6% and a career-high 75.9% from the line. 在太陽20場比賽中場均10.6分7.8個籃板。投籃命中率58.6%生涯新高罰球命中率75.9%。 ˙Advanced stats show his rebound rate as a Sun at 16.4 which is 19th among centers with at least 15 minutes per game. 進階數據指出Gortat在太陽的籃板率是16.4排在在場均出賽時間至少15分鐘的中鋒裡排 第19位。 ˙His PER is 16.42 (avg is set at 15) which is 20th among centers with at least 15 minutes per game. 他的 PER是16.42(場均排在第15位)在場均出賽時間至少15分鐘的中鋒裡排第20位。 ˙Of course, that includes some early games as well as his recent stretch in which he's recorded six double-doubles in his last eight games. He's averaged 15 points and 10.9 rebounds over that stretch while playing about 27 minutes. That's very productive and the Suns are 5-3 over that stretch. 當然,這包括了更早前的幾場比賽以及最近表現進一步延伸的比賽,也就是在過去八場 比賽裡得到了6次兩雙的比賽。在這段期間Gortat平均上場時間為27分鐘得到場均15分和 10.9個籃板。這些數據非常有效益而太陽在這段時間5勝3負。 ˙Of course, those six double-doubles all came against inferior competition. Cleveland, Washington, Detroit and then a tired and/or depleted Boston, New Orleans and Milwaukee. The two games out of those eight that weren't as productive came against Philadelphia and Charlotte. 當然,這六次兩雙都是在和劣勢對手對戰的時候取得的。騎士,巫師,活塞還有疲累和 /或力氣放盡的超賽,黃蜂和公鹿。八場比賽中未能取得兩雙的兩場是和76人及山貓的比 賽。 (譯者: 打超賽,黃蜂,公鹿三場都是在我們主場;超賽前一場客場和拓荒者打 黃蜂是連三客場 勇士國王和我們 國王和我們是B2B; 公鹿前兩天打完馬刺...) ˙Offensively, 75% of his baskets are assisted which ranks ninth among centers with at least 15 minutes per game. He's behind guys like Chris Anderson, Kwame Brown, Anthony Toliver and yes, Channing Frye. This points out how dependent he is on Nash to get him the ball in scoring position. 進攻方面,他的得分75%來自於助攻在場均出賽時間至少15分鐘的中鋒裡排第9。排在 Chris Anderson, Kwame Brown, Anthony Toliver 還有,沒錯 Channing Frye之後。這 指出了在得分方面他是相當依賴Nash的。 ˙In pick and rolls, which account for over half of his offensive possessions, he's done very well with a FG% of 56.9% (Robin was 68% on pick and rolls last season). Interestingly, he's FAR more effective on high pick and rolls versus right side or left side action. 擋切,佔他進攻球權方式的一半以上,他做的很出色有著56.9%的命中率(Robin去年在這 個項目的命中率為68%)。有意思的是,他在高位的擋切效益遠遠比在兩翼的擋切效益來 的高。 (Interestingly一句 不太確定right side or left side action的意思 還請指正 ) ˙Gortat is just 7-19 in post ups or isolation situations versus 37-65 in pick and rolls. He's also 6-12 as a spot up shooter which is surprisingly very good and shows his discipline in not taking bad shots. Gortat在背框或低位單打僅有19投7中相較於擋切則是65投37中。定點投籃12投7中讓人 驚訝的好同時不會投壞球顯示他有能有所控制。 ˙Defensively, he ranks in the top 30% in pick and roll defense against ball-handlers and isolation defense. He's average (around 50%) in defending the roll man or post ups. He's very poor (bottom 10%) defending spot-up shooters. 防守方面,對擋切中持球球員和低位單打得的防守排在聯盟前30%。對擋切中的掩護球員 或是背框進攻的防守是在平均值(大約50%)。對於定點投籃的防守非常糟糕(最後的10%) The thing that jumps out at me is how skewed his big games have been against inferior competition. It's GREAT that he's risen to the occasion but calling a guy who got killed by Elton Brand and had very pedestrian games against the Nets, Nuggets and Trail Blazers a future All-Star because he's had six fantastic games is...premature. 讓我在意的是和弱隊比賽中Gortat出色的表現是否過度扭曲了上面這些人們對他的評價。 他的提升當然是非常出色的但是稱一個被Elton Brand吃同時在和籃網,金塊拓荒者比賽中 表現得比路人還路人的傢伙為未來的全明星只是因為他打出了六場夢幻般的比賽似乎...有 點言之過早。 The Suns next face the Thunder which should be an interesting test for Marcin against the undersized but highly athletic and energetic Ibaka and the big, lumbering, skilled Krstic. 下一場和雷霆的比賽對Gortat來說會是一個有意思的較量,他需要面對體格較小但是活動 力不錯充滿能量的Ibaka另外還要面對高大,慢,但是有技巧的Krstic。 After that comes two games against the Warriors with Biedrins and Lee and then another game against the Kings. (Remember DeMarcus Cousins dropped 28 points on him a few weeks ago.) Then comes Al Jefferson and the Jazz (twice) and Tyson Chandler and the Mavs before the All-Star break. 在下來是面對勇士的Biedrins 和Lee以及國王的比賽。(DeMarcus Cousins在幾周前的比賽 在和他的對抗中得到了28分。)再來是全明星賽前和Al Jefferson 爵士(兩次)和Tyson Chandler 小牛的比賽。 If Gortat can continue having good games (15 and 10) against these teams then maybe I'll start believing in The Hammer as anything more than an average NBA center. 如果Gortat在這些比賽中依然能夠持續有好的表現(15分10籃板)那我就會開始相信'The Hammer' Gortat不只是一位平均水準的中鋒。 -- 這是在和雷霆比賽前的文章 有些慢了 翻來給大家參考看看 第一次在這裡發外電 希望大家不吝指教 \( ̄ε(# ̄\)☆╰╮o( ̄皿 ̄///) 請鞭小力一點 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 122.117.16.132 ※ 編輯: euphoria 來自: 122.117.16.132 (02/06 06:25)

02/06 06:24, , 1F
推推 這篇文章好
02/06 06:24, 1F

02/06 06:25, , 2F
鍋貼要當全明星實在不切實際......他的進攻手段實在
02/06 06:25, 2F

02/06 06:25, , 3F
不怎麼多。進攻與其說是快,不如說是積極,防守時(特
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02/06 06:26, , 4F
別在摘籃板)倚仗高度遠過於積極拼搶。並沒有說他不認
02/06 06:26, 4F

02/06 06:26, , 5F
真不努力的意思,但是他距離明星球員都還有一段差距.
02/06 06:26, 5F

02/06 06:27, , 6F
如果他有Frye那樣的積極和自我要求,那麼成為明星球
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02/06 06:28, , 7F
員並不是不可能的事情,畢竟他條件也好。全明星就...
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02/06 06:30, , 8F
要選鍋貼和福來一人, 我會選福來放在我的隊伍中
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02/06 06:31, , 9F
感覺有點..前陣子內線太破, 鍋貼一來放大太多
02/06 06:31, 9F

02/06 06:33, , 10F
同樓上,我也會選福來,身材素質、自我要求、攻防手
02/06 06:33, 10F

02/06 06:33, , 11F
段、拼勁等等,福來都沒話說,甚至還可能再養上去。
02/06 06:33, 11F

02/06 06:34, , 12F
鍋貼讓我有他能不能再長的疑慮,甚至離開Nash或擋拆
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02/06 06:34, , 13F
體系的話,不知道他數據還能不能這麼漂亮。
02/06 06:34, 13F

02/06 09:30, , 14F
我覺得鍋貼抓板比較是看直覺找落點 我好像比較少看到
02/06 09:30, 14F

02/06 09:31, , 15F
紮實卡位的搶下來 另外 他的進攻手段..除了跟進大概
02/06 09:31, 15F

02/06 09:31, , 16F
只有禁區兩翼的短距離跳投還有鉤射了 不知道為什麼他
02/06 09:31, 16F

02/06 09:32, , 17F
罰球很準但是pick&pop打不起來= =
02/06 09:32, 17F

02/06 09:40, , 18F
鍋貼現在還是太陽裡籃板最穩的人 沒什麼好挑剔了
02/06 09:40, 18F

02/06 09:41, , 19F
但進攻手段方面 我想他真的不適合持球單打..
02/06 09:41, 19F

02/06 09:42, , 20F
但太陽的戰術還是該由外圍的人切入來發動才對
02/06 09:42, 20F

02/06 09:43, , 21F
經由昨天那一場比賽 我想不會再看到丟球給他做單打了
02/06 09:43, 21F

02/06 09:44, , 22F
當然打工的也有問題就是了- -!
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02/06 11:05, , 23F
其實我絕得鍋貼只要有雙10以 他那個薪水了 就算太陽
02/06 11:05, 23F

02/06 11:05, , 24F
賺了 當然是希望他能在太陽打17分11籃板 不過他單打
02/06 11:05, 24F

02/06 11:06, , 25F
能力真的很冏 中距離跳投昨天也都失靈
02/06 11:06, 25F

02/06 11:07, , 26F
還有鍋貼籃板真的就是賣高 還有預測球的落點 然後佔
02/06 11:07, 26F

02/06 11:07, , 27F
位 這樣有好有壞拉 好就是省力吧XD 壞就是怕遇會卡位
02/06 11:07, 27F

02/06 11:08, , 28F
的 把他吃死死 目前是還好啦 其實他算不錯用了啦
02/06 11:08, 28F

02/06 11:08, , 29F
雖然會懷念綠茶 可是他約也要到期拉 乾脆換點值錢的
02/06 11:08, 29F

02/06 11:09, , 30F
東西回來 中鋒是聯盟稀有財欸!XD 況且VC雖然退化但
02/06 11:09, 30F

02/06 11:09, , 31F
也還是有一定實力在
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02/06 11:13, , 32F
不過私心還是希望用VC+肉汁 或 MP+童裝 換 史密斯
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02/06 11:13, , 33F
((把老鷹當農場!? VC迷別鞭我Q_Q
02/06 11:13, 33F

02/06 11:14, , 34F
就算今年沒換 VC被老闆買斷得機率也很高阿 不換真的
02/06 11:14, 34F

02/06 11:14, , 35F
有點對不起自己- - 前提是 之前那篇文章說的是真的啦
02/06 11:14, 35F

02/06 11:15, , 36F
綠茶跟VC都是今年到期 說不定可以暗黑一下喔..
02/06 11:15, 36F

02/06 11:21, , 37F
蠻難的 把VC買斷也沒啥錢簽綠茶
02/06 11:21, 37F

02/06 11:47, , 38F
原來VC下一季才能買斷@@ 我一直認知錯誤=..=
02/06 11:47, 38F

02/06 12:23, , 39F
VC+肉汁能換Smith當然是最好的 內線強化+年輕化
02/06 12:23, 39F
還有 60 則推文
02/06 15:52, , 100F
今年在球隊現在就是正統PG 只是前兩年還會去打SG而已
02/06 15:52, 100F

02/06 15:55, , 101F
專業推
02/06 15:55, 101F

02/06 16:17, , 102F
我對杜克練出來的選手沒啥信心
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02/06 16:19, , 103F
Smith跟其他球員不一樣 他現在可能還比Irving接近
02/06 16:19, 103F

02/06 16:19, , 104F
Jay Williams的等級
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02/06 16:20, , 105F
Smith今年幾乎沒依賴Duke所謂的motion系統 反而是隊
02/06 16:20, 105F

02/06 16:20, , 106F
友只要他熄火或斷電 通通變的不會打球
02/06 16:20, 106F

02/06 16:26, , 107F
Hill:樓上對我們沒信心Q口Q 學弟們爭氣點阿~
02/06 16:26, 107F

02/06 16:32, , 108F
杜克出來的有很多失去光彩 總板之前有戰過
02/06 16:32, 108F

02/06 16:41, , 109F
戰過又怎樣....?
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02/06 16:43, , 110F
判斷有沒有信心之前 看過他的比賽是基本尊重吧
02/06 16:43, 110F

02/06 16:45, , 111F
事實上 Duke選秀前被看好打出來的烙賽的其實不多
02/06 16:45, 111F

02/06 16:45, , 112F
除了像是Landon和D.Jones這種莫名奇妙被前段球隊撿去
02/06 16:45, 112F

02/06 16:46, , 113F
以及JJ和S.Williams這種少數身價被戰績和大學光環(經
02/06 16:46, 113F

02/06 16:47, , 114F
紀人?)炒太高的
02/06 16:47, 114F

02/06 17:33, , 115F
我對新的GM選人不太有信心就是了= =
02/06 17:33, 115F

02/06 23:07, , 116F
新的GM選人......其實沒看過XD只要他不因為經紀人身
02/06 23:07, 116F

02/06 23:07, , 117F
份搞什麼自肥約,應該可以接受= =
02/06 23:07, 117F

02/06 23:08, , 118F
Kerr時期後面選得倒還不錯 肉汁跟抓雞
02/06 23:08, 118F

02/06 23:08, , 119F
明年的首輪籤真的可以好好期待一下~
02/06 23:08, 119F

02/06 23:49, , 120F
Lopez選的沒有特別好啊 當時他身價只有第一輪尾端
02/06 23:49, 120F

02/06 23:49, , 121F
離成熟很遠 天份也不是剩下球員中最好的
02/06 23:49, 121F

02/06 23:54, , 122F
好像之前有人提到過,Lopez身價的確是尾端,但是太陽
02/06 23:54, 122F

02/06 23:54, , 123F
在缺大個子的情況下比較理想的還是得選他
02/06 23:54, 123F

02/06 23:55, , 124F
當然跟別隊比來說可能還有更好的選擇啦,不過Lopez起
02/06 23:55, 124F

02/06 23:55, , 125F
碼或多或少補了太陽一直很缺的中鋒這個洞。去年也打
02/06 23:55, 125F

02/06 23:56, , 126F
得還不錯~就算無功,我是覺得也已經無過了
02/06 23:56, 126F

02/06 23:57, , 127F
其實那年長人素質可能是近十年來最整齊的
02/06 23:57, 127F

02/06 23:58, , 128F
全世界最有潛力的長人幾乎同時投入選秀 未來應該很難
02/06 23:58, 128F

02/06 23:58, , 129F
再看到這種情況..
02/06 23:58, 129F

02/06 23:59, , 130F
hunight大果然是專業XD 如數家珍阿~受教了
02/06 23:59, 130F

02/07 00:42, , 131F
專業推~
02/07 00:42, 131F

02/07 10:10, , 132F
Roy Hibbert 是不是也是那年的啊?好像在肉汁後面?
02/07 10:10, 132F

02/07 10:47, , 133F
那年後面有Roy Hibbert McGee還有Ibaka
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02/07 10:48, , 134F
這3個我是覺得都比肉汁好....(個人觀感)
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02/07 10:50, , 135F
還有一個朱大碗很喜歡的Koufos 不過在NBA沒啥表現
02/07 10:50, 135F

02/08 12:49, , 136F
推翻譯
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02/09 15:54, , 137F
Koufos那時候大腕還說是下一個姚明...結果證實他只是
02/09 15:54, 137F

02/09 15:54, , 138F
去看大陸網站翻譯的誇大外電順手抄過來...
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02/11 07:13, , 139F
感謝翻譯,辛苦了。
02/11 07:13, 139F
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