Numbers show Magic have room for improvement

看板Orl-Magic作者 (leon)時間13年前 (2011/01/02 15:43), 編輯推噓22(22057)
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Seven games are just seven games, but things are looking pretty good for the new Orlando Magic right now. After shaking up their roster and losing their first two games with their four new faces, the Magic have rolled off five straight wins, including victories over the best team in each conference. 雖然就只是七場比賽而已,但新的魔術陣容看起來相當的不錯。 經過四個新同學來到後大幅變化的出賽名單跟交易後的二連敗, 魔術已經五連勝了,而且包含擊敗了東西區的老大。 With the additions of Gilbert Arenas, Jason Richardson and Hedo Turkoglu, the trades were expected to make the Magic stronger offensively. But with the departures of Mickael Pietrus and Marcin Gortat, the Orlando defense was expected to suffer. 多了Arenas,J-Rich跟Hedo 跟預期的一樣強化了我們的進攻,但少了MP跟鍋貼 我們的防守被預估會遇到麻煩。 Thus far though, the Magic have been better on both ends of the floor than they were before the trades. They've won games with both offense (scoring 123 points against the Spurs) and defense (holding the Celtics to 78). The winning streak has kept the Magic in the top four in the East and within striking distance of the second-place Heat and third-place Bulls. And a look at the numbers shows that Orlando can still get much better 但魔術到此攻防兩項的表現 都有不錯的演出 對馬刺得了123分 對BOS時 對方只得了78分,這次的連勝保住魔術在東區前四,並縮小跟熱火跟公牛的勝差 Games Pace Off.Eff. Def. Eff. Diff. First 26 92.8 104.8 99.4 5.4 Last 7 96.2 106.6 97.8 8.8 (進攻跟防守的效率都提高了) Totals 93.5 105.2 99.0 6.2 After the trades were made and physicals were passed, Stan Van Gundy decided on a new starting lineup of Jameer Nelson, Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu, Brandon Bass and Dwight Howard. And though Van Gundy left open the possibility of making changes in the future, that lineup has started six of the Magic's seven games since their new players have been in uniform, including all five on their current winning streak. 當交易完成體檢通過,大范決定了先發陣容 尼神 綠茶審 Hedo 巴斯 魔獸, 大范也表明在未來這先發陣容是有變換的可能,這先發陣容打了交易後七場中的六場, 這六場也包括五連勝。 (我記得只有打小牛因為bass太矮 是用Hedo打PF去守德老) But the Magic are winning despite their new starting lineup, not because of it. The new Orlando starting lineup is already the team's second most used lineup of the season, but it's been outscored by 25 points in 76 minutes. The Magic are a plus-8.8 per 100 possessions overall in the last seven games, but their starting lineup is a minus-16.4. It's been awful offensively, scoring just 93.3 points per 100 possessions. And it's been almost as bad defensively, allowing 109.7. 但魔術的贏球不是歸功於他們的先發,新的魔術先發陣容已經是本季第二常用的先發陣容 他們在76分鐘 得了25分 (這數據很像是只這五個一起上場吃掉的時間跟總得分/每場) 這七場中的100次攻防值 我們是8.8 其中先發是-16.4 (我也不知道是怎麼算) 先發的進攻很爛 100次進攻得93.3分, 防守也爛100次防守被得了109.7分。 結論就是先發什麼都很爛..... The struggles of the new Magic don't stop there. Of their new five-man units, the one with the next most minutes together (35) is Nelson, J.J. Redick, Jason Richardson, Turkoglu and Howard. That unit has been outscored by 12.3 points per 100 possessions, mostly because it's been beyond awful defensively, allowing 128.4. 尼神 JJ J-Rich hedo 魔獸 是最常一起上場的進攻效率很好 (雖然防守很爛) 不過有在看比賽就會發現 第四節最後五分鐘 大范常常用這陣容就是了 Beyond those two units, however, things get much better. And an increase in pace may be a key to the team's more potent offense. Arenas is shooting just 36 percent as a member of the Magic, but he's a plus-66 in 172 minutes off the bench. Arenas 雖然只有3成6的命中率 但他帶給我們板凳上的得分能量 If the starting lineup continues to struggle -- the Magic have been outscored in five of the six first quarters the lineup has started -- then Van Gundy may have to make a change. 如果先發打的還是很鳥 大范可能會做出改變 With Bass at power forward, Orlando has one less shooter on the floor than has been typical over the last few years. But Bass was a part of a unit that played well before the trade. Nelson, Vince Carter, Rashard Lewis, Bass and Howard were a plus-26.0 in 71 minutes together this season. The key difference between that unit and the current starting lineup is that Turkoglu handles the ball from the three spot and is used to having Lewis at the four in this offense. 當巴斯當了先發PF 魔術就少了一個砲台。 這是魔術比較少用的陣容 因為我們以前最愛一大四小 但但其實巴斯跟尼神 卡特 兩千萬 魔獸 一起上的時候打的不錯 在71分鐘 可以得26分/每場 現在跟以前先發不同就是 hedo持球的時候 以前是兩千萬 現在是巴斯 A year ago at this time, Van Gundy settled on a new starting lineup, replacing Pietrus with Matt Barnes at small forward. The Magic took off after the change and the new lineup was the best starting unit in the league last season. 一年前 大范也曾經用MB取代MP, 並且發現這樣的陣容是最好用的 This year, with Quentin Richardson replacing Barnes, the Magic's starting lineup for most of the team's first 25 games wasn't nearly as good. Of the 55 lineups in the league that had played at least 100 minutes together through Thursday, the Magic's pre-trade starting lineup ranked 43rd offensively and 37th overall, getting outscored by a point per 100 possessions. 今年阿Q 取代MB, 打了25場效果不是很好。 在聯盟中55個打超過100分鐘的組合來算進攻排43 防守排37。 The new starting lineup has been much worse. But if it starts to improve as it plays more minutes together, or if Van Gundy goes with a more effective unit to start games, the Magic will have a chance to climb back up the standings. 而新的先發陣容更爛,但如果多給他們一點時間,或是換一下先(尼)發(神)陣容, 可能會更好。 --- 那些數據有點不太懂 所以亂翻 但結論就是 先發需要更多的時間一起上場 或是 換先發!! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.32.184.86

01/02 16:03, , 1F
換先(尼)發(神) XD
01/02 16:03, 1F

01/02 17:16, , 2F
換先(尼)發(神) XDD 結論無誤
01/02 17:16, 2F

01/02 17:58, , 3F
如果你要看以前的可以參考
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01/02 17:59, , 5F
這邊是本季的統計,因為剛交易完新同學還打不久
01/02 17:59, 5F

01/02 18:00, , 6F
不過可以看到已經有J.Rich了 可以過幾場再回來看看
01/02 18:00, 6F

01/02 18:10, , 7F
樓上那個有VC的都+很大..
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01/02 19:14, , 8F
泥神雖然好 但太矮又跳沒多高,跟同級矮空相比 只能說雞肋
01/02 19:14, 8F

01/02 19:15, , 9F
切入分球時充分暴露出身材劣勢....
01/02 19:15, 9F

01/02 20:43, , 10F
尼神換9號 直逼總冠軍 尼神太矮又黏球
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01/02 20:44, , 11F
不對 是1號
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01/02 20:48, , 12F
這樣說好了 DH和Nelson同一年被選進奧蘭多 配合了好幾年
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01/02 20:48, , 13F
Nelson可以說是魔術小隊長 基本上你爬前面的文章 你會發
01/02 20:48, 13F

01/02 20:49, , 14F
現Nelson在魔術是很有地位和份量 如今 GM已經送走了
01/02 20:49, 14F

01/02 20:50, , 15F
2000萬 Lee VC 曾經也送走過Hedo 這些陪他殺進總冠軍和
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01/02 20:51, , 16F
東區冠軍的隊友 如今 要是GM再把Nelson交易掉
01/02 20:51, 16F

01/02 20:51, , 17F
等於是把除了DH以外的戰友通通送走 要是真的沒拿到冠軍
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01/02 20:52, , 18F
你是DH你想不想走?? 你會不會認為GM把你所有一起殺進冠
01/02 20:52, 18F

01/02 20:53, , 19F
軍賽的戰友都送走 還拿不到冠軍
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01/02 20:54, , 20F
你會想待在這球隊?? 基本上這裡很多人都希望探員先發
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01/02 20:55, , 21F
其實我也希望探員先發換Nelson當第六人
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01/02 20:57, , 22F
但是這個板很多都是老魔術迷 我知道很多新球迷希望送走
01/02 20:57, 22F

01/02 20:57, , 23F
Nelson 但是這裡很多老魔術迷 看著T mac Hill離開奧蘭多
01/02 20:57, 23F

01/02 20:58, , 24F
然後看著以Nelson和DH為重建核心 慢慢打到現在的成績
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01/02 20:59, , 25F
現在連Nelson都送走 魔術都不魔術了 心裡滋味應該不好受
01/02 20:59, 25F

01/02 21:00, , 26F
吧 所以還是希望魔術板友說交易Nelson的次數控制點
01/02 21:00, 26F

01/02 21:01, , 27F
為一些老魔術迷著想 酸Nelson交給總板 交易Nelson交給
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01/02 21:01, , 28F
我們的天才GM 然後幫魔術加油吧~~
01/02 21:01, 28F

01/02 21:03, , 29F
不過話說這篇文章已經看出大范很明顯想讓Nelson打板凳
01/02 21:03, 29F

01/02 21:04, , 30F
我個人是樂見這樣的結果就是了 他和JJ應該可以配的很好
01/02 21:04, 30F

01/02 22:03, , 31F
不覺得大范會讓Nelson打板凳 這幾場關鍵時刻他還是放尼神在
01/02 22:03, 31F

01/02 22:05, , 32F
場上 1號目前效果不錯 但還沒有威脅到尼神的先發
01/02 22:05, 32F

01/02 22:06, , 33F
主要還是1號雖然視野和身高比尼神好 但命中率較低 且失誤和
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01/02 22:06, , 34F
的成績也跟尼神差不了多少 加上大范一直都愛尼神
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01/02 22:26, , 35F
說真的原文也是有點看無 如果先發陣容跟一大四小
01/02 22:26, 35F

01/02 22:27, , 36F
都不是最好的陣容 那魔術隊能五連勝是蠻特別的
01/02 22:27, 36F
還有種可能阿 就是板凳很猛阿 這五場 替補分別得到 34 26 31 54 38 分

01/02 22:50, , 37F
Gary大說的好像老魔術迷都很挺Nelson一樣,這未必喔
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01/02 22:51, , 38F
如果有更好的選擇,交易Nelson會讓魔術更上層樓的好選擇
01/02 22:51, 38F

01/02 22:51, , 39F
不過我們GM的交易手腕.......就再看看吧
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01/02 22:52, , 40F
我之前的文章也主張交易Nelson 不過看到大范還讓他上先
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01/02 22:53, , 41F
發 我認為理由應該就是DH吧
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01/02 22:53, , 42F
畢竟除了DH之外就砍掉重練 我認為DH會不爽
01/02 22:53, 42F

01/02 22:57, , 43F
基本上也還好吧,DH應該不會因為Nelson怎樣就會影響他
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01/02 22:58, , 44F
畢竟他也曾放話討論自己的去留,看的出來如果沒希望,他可
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01/02 22:58, , 45F
以是拋棄目前這一切的...
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01/02 23:02, , 46F
因此若單論DH的去留應該跟其他任何人的去留關聯不太大..
01/02 23:02, 46F

01/02 23:03, , 47F
或是任何人打什麼位置...
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01/02 23:07, , 48F
而是能否打出成績才是會讓他有興趣的...
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01/02 23:55, , 49F
推gary阿 另外我覺得這幾場nelson上場時間其實很合理了
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01/02 23:56, , 50F
先發或替補其實就看對手調整就好
01/02 23:56, 50F

01/02 23:59, , 51F
nelson很不錯了啦 他進步很多了 心臟夠大 防守也常做犯規
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01/03 00:05, , 52F
基本功也很好 失誤控制也ok 是一個很不錯球員了
01/03 00:05, 52F

01/03 00:20, , 53F
基本上 我也很愛尼神 我不希望換掉他喔
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01/03 00:21, , 54F
只是我看原文 我想能換先發的也只剩下ARENAS換尼神
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01/03 00:21, , 55F
所以這樣猜的
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※ 編輯: y1027330 來自: 114.32.184.86 (01/03 00:26)

01/03 00:27, , 56F
我是覺得感情這種事隊球員還說還好啦 不然魔獸怎麼會說要
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01/03 00:27, , 57F
CP3 跟 BOO來
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01/03 00:28, , 58F
留下尼神是因為他關鍵時刻真的還蠻尼神的
01/03 00:28, 58F

01/03 00:28, , 59F
還有ARENAS 不知道啥時會受傷吧
01/03 00:28, 59F

01/03 00:29, , 60F
大家都很怕杜宏 你怕我怕GM跟大范都超怕吧
01/03 00:29, 60F

01/03 01:25, , 61F
沒比賽的日子好無聊喔
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01/03 05:54, , 62F
現在這樣很棒呀 二神先發時側翼有Hedo罩著 二神要是自爆
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01/03 05:54, , 63F
就換探員上來救火(放火?) 很穩的感覺
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01/03 07:43, , 64F
這幾場先發很爛不就是DH有幾場打很爛嗎
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01/03 07:43, , 65F
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01/03 07:44, , 66F
另外就是小安和JJ狀況超級殺 先發和替補一整個反差
01/03 07:44, 66F

01/03 07:45, , 67F
這是不是Arenas帶替補的效應我就不知了
01/03 07:45, 67F

01/03 07:46, , 68F
Nelson表現不差就是
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01/03 07:50, , 69F
Nelson先發改替補沒差 但不分青紅皂白喊交易他我會很失望
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01/03 08:27, , 70F
也沒有青紅皂白啦 不都是打得好你好神 打不好交易魂...
01/03 08:27, 70F

01/03 09:37, , 71F
又不是打得不差就不能換!! 沒這種事的....
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01/03 10:23, , 72F
反正這都只是個人喜好 在這喊喊也不會影響到魔術高層決定
01/03 10:23, 72F

01/03 10:24, , 73F
要交易掉Nelson機率比其他人低多了 鄉民喊爽而已
01/03 10:24, 73F

01/03 10:35, , 74F
不一定是這樣喔 假設今年又再一次失利 高層一定會再做
01/03 10:35, 74F

01/03 10:39, , 75F
改變 簡單說我們除了魔獸外其他人都是可以動的
01/03 10:39, 75F

01/03 10:41, , 76F
這不是喜好問題好嗎?
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01/03 10:52, , 77F
真要換也是到時才看誰不適合魔術嘛 nelson打好沒理由動他
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01/03 10:54, , 78F
阿 為什麼要先有成見呢
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01/03 11:02, , 79F
的確是有的~我承認 不過就先到此吧! 往下看吧!
01/03 11:02, 79F
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