[情報] 會議前後六成員立場

看板Oneday作者 (chivas)時間14年前 (2010/02/28 13:28), 編輯推噓51(51040)
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本文節錄自insider2pm http://0rz.tw/Mnk5N 中文翻譯節錄部分來自百度2PM吧 http://0rz.tw/8M8CT 百度2PM吧遺漏,譯名不同和文意不通順處我小改了一下 ---------------------------------------------------- insider2pm的文章都有一定可信度,所以現在轉給大家看看 ----------------------------------------------------- Our last updates about 6PM 我們對6PM相關消息的最後更新 We have been able to reach our source. By now we’ve all read the many fan accounts from the conference and it’s obvious that the atmosphere was negative to say the least. The news we’re about to give to you is shocking and regrettable. The Hottests deserve everything from beginning to end, and have always deserved the whole truth. 我們和我們的內部人員聯繫上了,我們閱讀了很多fan關於這場會議的記錄, 很明顯的,都非常消極。 我們要給你們一個讓人吃驚和遺憾的消息,因為hottest應當知道真相 It’s true that the boys’ manager had a meeting with them in their dorm beforehand to tell them how to behave at the conference. They wanted to calm the fans and also reinforce the “facts” provided in their statement. When the time came around for the actual conference, things changed. We had no intentions of misleading our readers. We ourselves really did think that it would be scripted. 真相就是在會議前,高層在6人的宿舍和他們開了會,告訴他們在會上要如何表現。 他們想要安撫fans還有就是加強他們聲明中所謂的‘真相’。 當真正的會議開始,事情發生了變化。 我們沒有想要誤導我們readers,我們真的認為他們是按照公司的要求照本宣科。 What the members said during the conference was all their own thoughts. Our source told us that all the emotions were true, but Junho faked the crying. There are still parts from the conference that were scripted. Khun never called/messaged Jay. We all know that many things in the statement were false. The members, of course, said they were true. That being said, most of the things said by the six were from their own mouths. They’ve turned against Jay. 6人說在會議上他們說的是他們真實的想法。 我們的內幕告訴我們,所有人的情緒都是真的,而俊昊是假哭的! 在會議上有很多都是事先set好的劇本,khun從沒有跟Jay聯絡。 我們都知道公告裡的很多都是假的。但是成員們當然會說那些(指聲明)是真的。 所以,六人所說的話絕大部分是他們自己的想法 他們變成了反對jay。 We’ve kept quiet about which members support Jay and which ones don’t. We did this because no matter what, we still believed in seven. We didn’t want to see fans fighting or bashing because of the other members and we didn’t want to give the other members trouble. We also believed that they still loved Jay. As long as they still loved Jay, Hottests and 6PM were still the same, and therefore we needed to protect them. That’s why when everybody started bashing 6PM, we defended them. 我們之前一直對於哪位成員支援jay,哪些反對這個事實保密。 我們這麼做的原因是我們始終相信他們7人。 我們不想看見fans們因為某些成員而互相爭吵, 我們也不希望別的成員受傷害。 我們也相信他們還是愛著jay的,我們也始終愛著jay,6pm也一樣。 這就是為什麼在之前有人開始攻擊6pm,我們仍然保護他們。 After recent events, we’ve come together and decided. We’re through protecting a group that failed to protect its own leader. We owe the truth to the Hottests. We owe it to Jay. Feel free to spread this. 但是在最近的事件發生之後,我們一起決定了。 我們已經經歷了保護一個無法保護自己隊長的團隊這個過程, 而現在我們需要把真相給hottests,Jay也需要真相。 如果你想要散撥這個訊息,請隨意。 Just like we’ve said before with everything we post, it’s your choice to believe it or not. At first when the controversy exploded, Junsu and Junho were angry at Jay because of what he said. Junho yelled at Jay and Junsu ignored Jay when he tried to explain. They didn’t understand fully so they were confused and frustrated, like all the angry Koreans. As far as we know, Junho was still angry at Jay when Jay left for the airport. 我們反復強調過,選擇相信與否是你們的選擇。 首先,當爭論爆發,峻秀和俊昊對jay所說的話非常生氣。 俊昊對Jay大吼,峻秀在Jay試著解釋的時候無視他。 像所有憤怒的韓國人一樣,他們因為沒有完全的瞭解真相而感到混亂和沮喪。 就我們所知,俊昊仍然在Jay 從機場離開的時候對Jay生氣。 Taecyeon, Wooyoung, and Chansung cried like hell and Taecyeon and Nichkhun tried their best to bring Jay back. As time passed, all six members desperately wanted to bring Jay back. More months passed. We got the news that members were starting to turn their backs on Jay. The biggest shock to us was Taecyeon, since he was the one who advocated the boycott the most in the beginning. At this point, Taecyeon, Junsu, and Junho were against Jay coming back and were also against the boycott. Taecyeon and Junho wanted more fame and popularity, while Junsu wanted the position of Leader. Nichkhun was in the middle. He supported Jay but also learned from his family that he should be grateful to JYPE for giving him opportunities. Wooyoung and Chansung were on Jay’s side, but Wooyoung soon moved to the middle too. Up until the few days before the conference, there were still three members waiting for Jay. The remaining members who decided that they don’t need Jay decided to tell Chansung and Wooyoung lies about Jay to bring them to JYPE’s side while Nichkhun was in the Philippines filming Danbi. Right before the conference, they both turned against Jay. Nichkhun is the only member who is still waiting for Jay, even he is not completely against JYPE. We will not answer questions about this. 澤演,佑榮,璨成都哭慘了,澤演和khun盡了他們的全力讓jay回來。 在這段時間內,6名成員拼命地想要讓Jay回來。 幾個月過去了,我們得到消息說成員們開始不再支持jay。 最令我們震驚的就是澤演(因為他是在抵制過程中最盡力的,最支持的)。 此時,澤演,峻秀和俊昊是反對Jay歸隊和反對歌迷抵制的。 澤演和俊昊想要變得更有名和更受歡迎,而峻秀想要成為隊長。 khun是中立,他支持 jay, 但是他的家庭告訴他他應該感激jype給了他機會讓他成名。 祐榮和璨成原先都是支持jay的,但是祐榮很快變成了中立。 在會議舉行的幾天前,仍有 3名成員等待著jay歸隊。 當Khun在菲律賓拍攝Danbi時,剩下的隊員(此處指認為不再需要Jay的隊員) 決定告訴祐榮和燦成關於jay的謊言,好讓他們站在JYPE的這邊。 而就在會議前,他們(應該是指祐榮和璨成),轉成反對Jay歸隊。 khun是現在唯一仍然等待著jay的成員,儘管他並不完全反抗JYPE。 對此我們將不再回答關於這個問題的任何提問。 It’s true that the boys went to karaoke and got drunk after the conference. They had dinner before as well. Our source told us that they celebrated because they’re relieved to have Jay gone. 成員們在會議後去了ktv,喝了酒都是真的。他們還吃了晚餐。 我們的內幕告訴我們,他們之所以慶祝因為他們覺得終於jay走了而感到鬆了一口氣。 THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT: We want to reiterate that plans CAN CHANGE. We said before that a video of Jay might be released. It has been filmed and they planned to show it at the conference, but didn’t. They’re planning on bringing Jay back to Korea. They will make him say to fans that he doesn’t deserve to come back. He will ask the fans to support the six members. This will serve as his final apology and farewell. This was originally planned to happen on February 14th, but it has been changed to the 28th. PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THIS IS UNCONFIRMED. Our source just wanted us to warn you of what’s possible. It’s urgent that you SPREAD THIS. MAKE SURE PEOPLE KNOW JYPE IS GOING TO MAKE JAY LIE. 重要!!!!: 我們重申這個計畫可能會改變 我們之前說過可能會播放Jay的短片。 短片已經拍攝好了,原本計畫要在會議上放,但是並沒有播放。 現在他們計畫要帶Jay回韓國,他們要讓他告訴fan他無法再回來了。 他也會向fan們請求繼續支持6位成員。 這將會是他最後的道歉和告別。 本來這是在2月14日就要進行的,但他們改到了28號。 但請記住這些都是尚未經過證實/最後決定。 我們的內幕想讓我們知道一些可能性,因為這個消息很重要也很緊急,所以請幫忙散佈! 要讓大家都知道JYPE要逼Jay撒謊。 Another side note, if the situation gets worse (I really don’t know how it can get much worse than it already is), it’s likely that 2PM will disband. It’s your choice whether you want to support them or not. Right now… I don’t think anyone does. To us, it’s not worth supporting a group like this. 另外,如果情況繼續惡化 (我不知道還能有多壞-畢竟現在的情況已經很壞了),2pm很有可能會解散。 你可以決定是否要繼續支持他們(6pm),但我不認為現在有人想要繼續支持他們。 對我們而言,支持這樣的組合一點也不值得。 Our source left a message: “Today’s 2PM is not the old 2PM anymore.” 我們的內幕告訴我們,2pm已經不是以前的那個2pm 了。 Our writers have been by 2PM’s side from the start. We’ve done what we could and we’re grateful for our source, our affiliates, and our readers. We’ve confirmed with our source that even after all this chaos, Jay still wants to come back. We will update soon about what we can do to help Jay. Writers will also update with their respective rants. Our next official update will be our goodbye. Thank you. 我們的寫手們從一開始的時候就是站在2pm這邊。 我們做了我們能夠做的,我們感激我們的內幕,我們的組織,和我們的讀者。 我們和我們的內幕確認過了,儘管在這樣的混亂中,Jay還是希望能夠回來。 我們會很快更新我們能夠幫jay的方法。 寫手們會繼續更新他們各自的資源。 我們下一個官方的更新可能就是我們的再見了 謝謝大家 -------------------------------------------------- 因為我是上色無能以及英文排版無能, 所以如果有人想要重新幫我排版,非常歡迎!! 現在大部分cafe跟fanclub都關閉了,6pm在說明會反常的表現眾說紛紜。 主要說法有幾種 1.6人在公司的淫威和合約及違約金的壓力下,不得不按照公司的說法 2.6人反常的強硬冷漠是希望飯能加倍抵制,死而後生,幫助jay回來 3.Jay真的做了什麼事情讓六人心灰意冷(我個人是不相信的!) 我現在只希望孩子們可以跳出來說, """這是隱藏攝影機,科科科科科科科科,被騙了吧""" ---------------------------------------------------------- → beagle0704:分享一下板友提供的內幕網質疑http://0rz.tw/gvJh5 02/28 21:08 → beagle0704:希望提供大家不同角度 但不要過度解讀或相信任何一方 02/28 21:08 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 96.240.124.218

02/28 13:30, , 1F
如果內幕網的消息都是真的...那我真的要心寒了...
02/28 13:30, 1F

02/28 13:33, , 2F
1.2.3以外最不希望就是INSIDER的內幕...
02/28 13:33, 2F

02/28 13:36, , 3F
還有誰是可以相信的..難道只剩下Khun和jay可以相信
02/28 13:36, 3F

02/28 13:36, , 4F
對澤演峻秀俊昊有失望的感覺......
02/28 13:36, 4F

02/28 13:36, , 5F
原PO的最後一句跟我一直以來想的一樣,但,誰知道要相信誰..
02/28 13:36, 5F

02/28 13:37, , 6F
事情演變的好可怕ˊˋ看了覺得很傷心~不管是真是假
02/28 13:37, 6F

02/28 13:37, , 7F
如過是隱藏攝影機就好了...我還是想支持6PM,他們對得起
02/28 13:37, 7F

02/28 13:38, , 8F
內部人員?誰? 連個名字都沒有 寧願相信連個名字都沒有的人
02/28 13:38, 8F

02/28 13:38, , 9F
璨成跟祐榮應該是被洗腦成功,只剩Khun還有要Jay回來的信念
02/28 13:38, 9F

02/28 13:38, , 10F
自己不後悔就好
02/28 13:38, 10F

02/28 13:38, , 11F
也不相信六個成員嗎? Khun的家人說什麼他都知道?
02/28 13:38, 11F

02/28 13:39, , 12F
但這些消息的確不能百分百證實,大家就自己自由心證吧
02/28 13:39, 12F

02/28 13:40, , 13F
搞成現在這樣..就算Jay回歸了,也不是原本的2PM了....
02/28 13:40, 13F

02/28 13:41, , 14F
JAY回來後團內氣氛一定會很怪~這團真的已經變質了
02/28 13:41, 14F

02/28 13:41, , 15F
Khun這樣堅持會不會被其他人排擠啊??(擔心)>"<
02/28 13:41, 15F

02/28 13:41, , 16F
自由心證+1 畢竟很多說不通的地方
02/28 13:41, 16F

02/28 13:42, , 17F
看完之後覺得這是Anti寫的文章 而且很明顯他成功了
02/28 13:42, 17F

02/28 13:44, , 18F
2PM is not the old 2PM anymore. 不管insider是真是假
02/28 13:44, 18F

02/28 13:44, , 19F
這句話是真的阿......
02/28 13:44, 19F

02/28 13:44, , 20F
事情演變到至今~真的都在考驗PM的心和歌迷的心ˊˋ
02/28 13:44, 20F

02/28 13:46, , 21F
高層現在根本不敢動Khun,泰國市場根本都是靠他拉的
02/28 13:46, 21F

02/28 13:47, , 22F
我同意這團已經不是以前的2PM了 但是開完面談會去慶祝?
02/28 13:47, 22F

02/28 13:47, , 23F
寫出這種文章的人有臉說自己是HT嗎? 我很難過
02/28 13:47, 23F

02/28 13:50, , 24F
還是相信6隻+JAY 不過事情變成這樣 除了絕望還剩什麼
02/28 13:50, 24F

02/28 13:54, , 25F
澤演說we are six !!!!!!!! 被罵慘了
02/28 13:54, 25F

02/28 13:54, , 26F
是什麼他們可以變這麼殘冷.....
02/28 13:54, 26F

02/28 13:55, , 27F
但仔細想想 難道他們不知道這樣說話會遭anti嗎? 事情真的
02/28 13:55, 27F

02/28 13:55, , 28F
insider2pm之前的文章都很支持成員們 認為是公司的陰
02/28 13:55, 28F

02/28 13:55, , 29F
謀 只有這篇才改了想法
02/28 13:55, 29F

02/28 13:56, , 30F
說不過去不是嗎? 要看大家各自解讀了
02/28 13:56, 30F

02/28 14:02, , 31F
不管insider的真實性 6隻講出的話一定會引起大家反感
02/28 14:02, 31F

02/28 14:02, , 32F
結論的那3點都有可能 但是真相是什麼?...............
02/28 14:02, 32F

02/28 14:10, , 33F
多希望是你說的最後一行QQ
02/28 14:10, 33F

02/28 14:14, , 34F
現在要集氣"這是隱藏攝影機,科科科科科科科科,被騙了吧"
02/28 14:14, 34F

02/28 14:17, , 35F
所以現在整件事情是羅生門啊!事情發展的方向和手段都
02/28 14:17, 35F

02/28 14:17, , 36F
太過奇怪了 畢竟在這件事爆發前 輿論普遍支持jay回歸
02/28 14:17, 36F

02/28 14:18, , 37F
JYPE也知道JAY回歸對公司和pm發展都是加分
02/28 14:18, 37F

02/28 14:19, , 38F
heartbeat期間所透漏的訊息都是jay會回歸
02/28 14:19, 38F

02/28 14:20, , 39F
實在沒必要在這個時間點突然大逆轉
02/28 14:20, 39F

02/28 14:22, , 40F
就算假設jay的錯誤為真 JYPE也只要派jay親上戰場對HT說
02/28 14:22, 40F

02/28 14:23, , 41F
他因為一些私人因素不想回歸 我想HT也不會反應如此大
02/28 14:23, 41F

02/28 14:24, , 42F
看了那麼多我反而希望JAY不要回來了....
02/28 14:24, 42F

02/28 14:25, , 43F
JYPE想把JAY詆毀 讓他消失在樂壇...
02/28 14:25, 43F

02/28 14:25, , 44F
那麼可怕的公司..早日脫離比較好..
02/28 14:25, 44F

02/28 14:26, , 45F
JYPE又何必說出來jay犯了錯 然後讓大家更好奇呢?
02/28 14:26, 45F

02/28 14:29, , 46F
jype想讓大眾討厭JAY...畢竟除了hottest以外的人
02/28 14:29, 46F

02/28 14:29, , 47F
不會去探討真相和相信JAY..........
02/28 14:29, 47F

02/28 14:30, , 48F
可是如果這麼含糊的說詞就想讓大家討厭jay JYPE把人想
02/28 14:30, 48F

02/28 14:31, , 49F
的太簡單了吧?! 而且6人的反應讓人覺得更疑點重重
02/28 14:31, 49F

02/28 14:33, , 50F
這到底是演哪齣啊!!!連假哭也有......
02/28 14:33, 50F

02/28 14:34, , 51F
不知道現在到底要相信哪一種說法......
02/28 14:34, 51F

02/28 14:34, , 52F
只覺得好想哭喔...為所有2PM而哭......
02/28 14:34, 52F

02/28 14:34, , 53F
現在只希望jay可以出面啊.....
02/28 14:34, 53F

02/28 14:35, , 54F
已經不知道要用什麼表情什麼心情去看文章了.......
02/28 14:35, 54F

02/28 14:42, , 55F
真的 好想念Jay
02/28 14:42, 55F

02/28 14:43, , 56F
我現在是歌聽不下去了...要暫停一陣子了...
02/28 14:43, 56F

02/28 14:45, , 57F
我也好想JAY...........................................
02/28 14:45, 57F

02/28 14:55, , 58F
如果這篇是真的 那我只能跟2PM說掰掰 這是我第一個喜歡
02/28 14:55, 58F

02/28 14:55, , 59F
我還是想選擇相信他們...................
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02/28 14:56, , 60F
上的男團 不懂為何收場可以這麼難看.....
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02/28 14:57, , 61F
再觀察一陣子看看吧 不管怎樣都很擔心JAY 好想他......
02/28 14:57, 61F

02/28 14:59, , 62F
如果以上屬實, 套句最近流行的"意義是啥小,我只知道義氣"
02/28 14:59, 62F

02/28 15:00, , 63F
有種不知道該怎樣下去的感覺......很難過~
02/28 15:00, 63F

02/28 15:00, , 64F
是阿...再觀察一陣子吧,這可是我第一個全體團員都超愛
02/28 15:00, 64F

02/28 15:01, , 65F
的團...因為都好喜歡好喜歡,說不出比較喜歡那個了...
02/28 15:01, 65F

02/28 15:01, , 66F
所以我不想這麼輕易就放棄他們...相信並等待吧!!!
02/28 15:01, 66F

02/28 15:03, , 67F
絕對相信+支持 不Anti但抵制
02/28 15:03, 67F

02/28 15:08, , 68F
我也想JAY 也想繼續喜歡著2PM 但只是不知道怎樣下去...
02/28 15:08, 68F

02/28 15:15, , 69F
第一個讓我快速陷下去的團體 每個人都好愛好愛
02/28 15:15, 69F

02/28 15:15, , 70F
現在能做的就是相信他們....
02/28 15:15, 70F

02/28 15:54, , 71F
2PM官方Cafe的工作人員好像都要請辭了...
02/28 15:54, 71F

02/28 16:32, , 72F
最快陷+1 主力還是Jay...T_T
02/28 16:32, 72F

02/28 17:01, , 73F
不Anti但抵制
02/28 17:01, 73F

02/28 17:35, , 74F
不Anti但抵制+1
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02/28 18:27, , 75F
這個結果不是我想要的阿....
02/28 18:27, 75F

02/28 19:08, , 76F
......我現在什麼都不求了...我只想知道7人真正的想法......
02/28 19:08, 76F

02/28 19:50, , 77F
我也只想要他們真正的想法...
02/28 19:50, 77F

02/28 19:51, , 78F
好討厭...不是以前的2PM了嗎? 如果內幕消息是真的,我也對
02/28 19:51, 78F

02/28 19:52, , 79F
俊昊俊秀好失望... 我不知道要怎麼支持他們了...希望他們
02/28 19:52, 79F

02/28 19:53, , 80F
是希望JAY回來的~
02/28 19:53, 80F

02/28 20:32, , 81F
失望至極....
02/28 20:32, 81F

02/28 21:08, , 82F
分享一下板友提供的內幕網質疑http://0rz.tw/gvJh5
02/28 21:08, 82F

02/28 21:08, , 83F
希望提供大家不同角度 但不要過度解讀或相信任何一方
02/28 21:08, 83F

02/28 21:26, , 84F
我完全不信這篇...大家都被JYPE騙了....我保證.
02/28 21:26, 84F

02/28 23:05, , 85F
現在完全失去了方向 不想傷害6PM 但是又嚥不下這口氣...
02/28 23:05, 85F

02/28 23:05, , 86F
現在只討厭JYPE不斷玩弄歌迷的心..
02/28 23:05, 86F

03/01 01:25, , 87F
在講出這些話或是說是念劇本也好的時候 2PM的兄弟形象已經完
03/01 01:25, 87F

03/01 01:26, , 88F
全消失殆盡了 無關JAY是否可以回來
03/01 01:26, 88F

03/01 01:30, , 89F
除非他們想要置之死地而後生 讓事態再更嚴重 能夠產生轉機
03/01 01:30, 89F

03/01 02:07, , 90F
完全不信這篇和其他小道,我只相信我所支持的PM
03/01 02:07, 90F
※ 編輯: beagle0704 來自: 96.240.124.218 (03/02 11:48)

03/03 11:33, , 91F
澤演跟峻秀、俊昊讓我很失望..只剩下KHUN一人在等待了.
03/03 11:33, 91F
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