[閒聊] Montgomery近況

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※ 引述《Sechslee (キタ━━(゚∀゚)━━!!)》之銘言: : 0 SERIES 1 : L2 Orioles  2 Yankees  8 W3 : (31-28, 10-18 road) (35-23, 20-9 home) : : ╭────────────────────────────┬───────╮ : ∣ 2017/06/09   1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ∣ R H E ∣ : ├────────────────────────────┼───────┤ : ∣ Orioles   0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ∣ 2 5 1 ∣ : ├────────────────────────────┼───────┤ : ∣ Yankees   0 2 0 0 0 1 3 2 ╳ ∣ 8 11 0 ∣ : └────────────────────────────┴───────┘ : W: J. Montgomery (4-4) L: D. Bundy (6-5) : Baltimore Orioles AB R H RBI BB SO #P AVG OBP SLG : Rickard LF 2 0 0 0 0 1 9 .261 .289 .337 : a-Kim PH-LF 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 .261 .333 .348 : Mancini DH 4 0 0 0 0 1 18 .282 .323 .517 : Jones CF 4 0 1 0 0 2 17 .259 .300 .433 : Trumbo RF 4 0 0 0 0 1 15 .264 .324 .409 : Davis 1B 2 1 0 0 2 0 18 .226 .324 .457 : Schoop 2B 4 1 1 2 0 3 17 .286 .335 .529 : Hardy SS 4 0 1 0 0 0 14 .203 .237 .292 : Joseph C 3 0 0 0 0 0 7 .248 .268 .385 : Tejada 3B 3 0 2 0 0 1 8 .286 .286 .429 : Totals 31 2 5 2 2 9 125 : a-lined out to left for J Rickard in the 8th : BATTING : 2B: Tejada (1, Montgomery) : HR: Schoop (11, 2nd inning off Montgomery 1 on, 0 Out) : RBI: Schoop 2 (33) : S: Rickard : Orioles RISP: 0-6 : Team LOB: 5 : FIELDING : E: Jackson (1, throw) : Outfield Assist: Trumbo (Headley at 3rd base). : New York Yankees AB R H RBI BB SO #P AVG OBP SLG : Gardner LF 5 0 2 0 0 0 20 .269 .350 .514 : Hicks CF 5 2 2 3 0 1 21 .318 .426 .584 : Judge RF 4 1 0 0 1 1 25 .323 .431 .657 : Holliday 1B 4 0 2 1 0 2 17 .274 .369 .521 : Carter 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .195 .284 .382 : Castro 2B 3 1 1 1 1 0 11 .319 .356 .502 : Sánchez DH 4 2 2 0 0 2 16 .264 .348 .480 : Gregorius SS 4 1 1 0 0 0 6 .322 .344 .473 : Headley 3B 1 1 0 1 2 0 17 .231 .311 .344 : Romine C 3 0 1 2 0 0 8 .231 .258 .330 : Totals 33 8 11 8 4 6 141 : BATTING : 2B: Gardner (11, Bundy); Sánchez (3, Bundy); Holliday (11, Jackson) : HR: Castro (10, 2nd inning off Bundy 0 on, 0 Out); : Hicks 2 (10, 6th inning off Bundy 0 on, 0 Out; : 7th inning off Jackson 1 on, 2 Out) : RBI: Castro (34), Headley (24), Hicks 3 (34), Holliday (39), : Romine 2 (12) : S: Romine : SF: Headley : 2-out RBI: Hicks 2, Holliday : Yankees RISP: 2-12 : Team LOB: 7 : Baltimore Orioles IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA : Bundy (L, 6-5) 6.0 5 3 3 2 6 2 105-60 3.05 : Jackson 0.2 2 3 0 1 0 1 19-9 5.40 : Crichton 1.1 4 2 2 1 0 0 17-11 7.45 : Totals 8.0 11 8 5 4 6 3 141-80 : PITCHING BF 1Str LStr SwStr FStr IStr GB-FB : Bundy 25 13 15 14 16 15 5-7 : Jackson 6 3 1 1 2 5 2-0 : Crichton 8 7 3 1 0 7 3-0 : Totals 39 23 19 16 18 27 10-7 : Game Scores: D Bundy 54 : New York Yankees IP H R ER BB SO HR PC-ST ERA : Montgomery (W, 4-4) 7.0 5 2 2 1 8 1 94-69 3.55 : Clippard 1.0 0 0 0 0 0 0 10-7 1.80 : Holder 1.0 0 0 0 1 1 0 21-10 3.24 : Totals 9.0 5 2 2 2 9 1 125-86 : PITCHING BF 1Str LStr SwStr FStr IStr GB-FB : Montgomery 27 17 16 13 22 18 9-4 : Clippard 3 2 1 2 1 3 0-3 : Holder 4 2 3 3 2 2 1-1 : Totals 34 21 20 18 25 23 10-8 : WP: Holder : Game Scores: J Montgomery 66 : Scoring Summary BAL NYY : 2nd Schoop homered to left center (456 feet), Davis scored. 2 0 : 2nd Castro homered to right center (390 feet). 2 1 : 2nd Headley hit sacrifice fly to right, Sánchez scored. 2 2 : 6th Hicks homered to right (409 feet). 2 3 : 7th Hicks homered to right (367 feet), Headley scored. 2 5 : 7th Holliday doubled to deep left center, Judge scored. 2 6 : 8th Romine singled to shallow right, Sánchez and 2 8 : Gregorius scored, Headley to second, Headley thrown : out at third attempting to advance on play. : 2 8 : Game Information : Stadium Yankee Stadium, New York, NY : Attendance 36,912 (74.4% full) : Game Time 3:41 : Weather 75 degrees, partly cloudy : Wind: 3 mph : Umpires HP: Brian Knight 1B: Lance Barrett : 2B: Stu Scheurwater 3B: Jim Reynolds : Standings : AL EAST W L PCT GB HOME ROAD DIFF STRK L10 : NY Yankees 35 23 .603 --- 20-9 15-14 + 91 W3 6-4 : Boston 33 27 .550 3.0 18-10 15-17 + 25 W1 6-4 : Baltimore 31 28 .525 4.5 21-10 10-18 - 16 L2 5-5 : Tampa Bay 32 31 .508 5.5 19-14 13-17 + 16 W3 5-5 : Toronto 29 32 .475 7.5 17-14 12-18 - 11 L1 5-5 看到這篇BOX推文很少人提到Montgomery, 我覺得很可惜。所有就來談談他。 其實我到現在,對我們的運氣還是不敢置信, 怎麼可能每個小朋友都同時長出來了! 這也讓我一直忽略Montgomery的表現。 覺得他最多就是五號投手,數據遲早跟著其他人一起下修。 數據應該是會下修,但他可能是個三號而非後段投手。 當然,季初的球探報告。 John Sickles認為他是後段先發, 但他的分析是:四縫+卡特+變速+曲球投手。 Fangraphs追蹤較深入些, 有提這季到他把卡特球改練為較慢但變化大的滑球, 不過當時顯然對這滑球也沒多大信心。 認為他還是個above average速球+其他普普球種+好的控球, 但沒有可以讓人揮棒落空的致勝球。 所以Fangraph季初也是給他後段投手的評價。 可是,這球季過了1/3, Fangraphs自己修正了觀點, 將這顆滑球視為plus球種。 不論揮空率,和打者對滑球的OPS都相當的傑出。 只是Montgomery似乎還沒能完全掌握好這球種。 有時一場投了快30顆,下一場缺投不到5顆。 未來,假如他能把滑球掌握好, 他可能長成 速球 above average 滑球 plus 曲球 average 伸卡&變速 不好 有不錯控球的三號投手 -- posted from bbs reader hybrid on my Sony D2533 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 36.228.238.230 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NY-Yankees/M.1497114661.A.886.html

06/11 01:24, , 1F
芒果目前真的讚
06/11 01:24, 1F

06/11 01:48, , 2F
他和Severino讓我對洋基養投手又有點信心了
06/11 01:48, 2F

06/11 02:10, , 3F
控球我覺得真的…
06/11 02:10, 3F

06/11 02:36, , 4F
原來芒果是他啊哈哈,以為隊上有誰叫酸仔
06/11 02:36, 4F

06/11 03:12, , 5F
他還年輕希望他能越來越好
06/11 03:12, 5F

06/11 04:49, , 6F
誰說他有可能可以長成No.3?哪篇文章?
06/11 04:49, 6F

06/11 04:56, , 7F
我覺得很多年輕投手很不錯 要對新秀有信心啊
06/11 04:56, 7F

06/11 06:44, , 8F
Fangraphs查Montgomery 相關文章點下去就有
06/11 06:44, 8F

06/11 06:51, , 9F
5/12那篇說他可能長成mid-rotation投手
06/11 06:51, 9F

06/11 06:53, , 10F
6/7不同作者 再次提醒大家多注意這投手
06/11 06:53, 10F

06/11 07:14, , 11F
Eno Sarris的意思是看數據會有人覺得他是No.3
06/11 07:14, 11F

06/11 07:14, , 12F
但他不是
06/11 07:14, 12F

06/11 07:15, , 13F
他能當個No.5就已經很棒了
06/11 07:15, 13F

06/11 07:15, , 14F
Keith Law甚至覺得Montgomery遲早會變牛
06/11 07:15, 14F

06/11 07:15, , 15F
我對他期望高一點 NO.4
06/11 07:15, 15F

06/11 07:16, , 16F
不過昨天看整場感覺抖抖抖
06/11 07:16, 16F

06/11 07:16, , 17F
BTW,changeup是他丟最好的球種
06/11 07:16, 17F

06/11 08:21, , 18F
控球抖抖 但揮空率真的好
06/11 08:21, 18F

06/11 09:24, , 19F
控球真的很抖 但就是能騙到打者
06/11 09:24, 19F

06/11 09:34, , 20F
他在球速增加之後,一般的評價至少都有後段輪值吧
06/11 09:34, 20F

06/11 10:17, , 21F
Eno Sarris哪裡提到數據了 他當時數據也沒多好
06/11 10:17, 21F

06/11 10:18, , 22F
明明最近文章都在討論他的slider 認為是plus
06/11 10:18, 22F

06/11 10:20, , 23F
只是這是他今年新改的球種 可能掌握還不夠好
06/11 10:20, 23F

06/11 10:21, , 24F
能當No.5就不錯又是哪生出來的
06/11 10:21, 24F

06/11 10:40, , 25F
BP goo.gl/xLhfb5
06/11 10:40, 25F

06/11 10:40, , 26F
Keith Law徒弟Eric Longenhagen覺得他是No.4-5
06/11 10:40, 26F

06/11 10:42, , 27F
BA No.4-5 Jim Callis No.4-5
06/11 10:42, 27F

06/11 10:42, , 28F
建議再重看一次Eno Sarris那句的意思
06/11 10:42, 28F

06/11 11:01, , 29F
看了N次了 除非我英文不好
06/11 11:01, 29F

06/11 11:03, , 30F
-_-
06/11 11:03, 30F

06/11 11:03, , 31F
上面不是列了Pitch Percentiles
06/11 11:03, 31F

06/11 11:04, , 32F
他說從Pitch Percentiles看起來Montgomery像No.3
06/11 11:04, 32F

06/11 11:05, , 33F
不是說Montgomery是No.3
06/11 11:05, 33F

06/11 11:26, , 34F
不是這樣的吧 從上下文來看 怎麼看都是他能成為三號
06/11 11:26, 34F

06/11 11:27, , 35F
他還花了大半篇幅 說明他的滑球有多棒
06/11 11:27, 35F

06/11 11:29, , 36F
滑球若是average 是五號 滑球是plus 那是三號
06/11 11:29, 36F

06/11 11:29, , 37F
他的確是說有機會是中段先發,還抬柯蕭出來比較
06/11 11:29, 37F

06/11 11:29, , 38F
Keith Law不是說Severino是牛,反正我基都是雜魚= =
06/11 11:29, 38F

06/11 11:30, , 39F
這是我對那篇文的認知 先前的球探報告對滑球認識不
06/11 11:30, 39F

06/11 11:30, , 40F
06/11 11:30, 40F

06/11 11:31, , 41F
因為那是他今年新改良的球種 也還不穩定
06/11 11:31, 41F

06/11 11:31, , 42F
說是有點褻瀆柯蕭這種神級投手,但單純用movement
06/11 11:31, 42F

06/11 11:31, , 43F
來看,monty很好
06/11 11:31, 43F

06/11 11:32, , 44F
KLaw沒錯啊 Sevvy那顆Changeup丟不出來就是牛啊
06/11 11:32, 44F

06/11 11:33, , 45F
但歸結控球是重點,否則一切都是樂觀來看
06/11 11:33, 45F

06/11 11:33, , 46F
Prospect開發出新的技能後breakout也不算少見
06/11 11:33, 46F

06/11 11:34, , 47F
還要觀察吧,至少我覺得現在有一部分原因是打者買帳
06/11 11:34, 47F

06/11 11:35, , 48F
Sevvy的身材也不算好 預測是牛也不算奇怪
06/11 11:35, 48F

06/11 11:37, , 49F
Keith Law會這樣講主要是因為Severino沒用下半身
06/11 11:37, 49F

06/11 11:37, , 50F
球探是懷疑monty的stuff, 遇打者會撐不到第三輪...
06/11 11:37, 50F

06/11 11:38, , 51F
只用手臂在丟,這樣手臂很快就會掛掉
06/11 11:38, 51F

06/11 11:43, , 52F
我印象中是KLaw對Sevvy身材和Mechanic有疑慮啦 畢竟
06/11 11:43, 52F

06/11 11:43, , 53F
大概兩年前左右的事了 只大概記得一些內容
06/11 11:43, 53F

06/11 11:48, , 54F
06/11 11:48, 54F

06/11 14:33, , 55F
總之 我對Fangraphs那篇文理解是
06/11 14:33, 55F

06/11 14:33, , 56F
若Montgomery能掌握好那顆滑球 他可能成為三號
06/11 14:33, 56F

06/11 14:34, , 57F
否則 他的stuff是不夠的
06/11 14:34, 57F

06/11 14:38, , 58F
事實上 這顆滑球也是他這季被討論最多的球種
06/11 14:38, 58F

06/11 14:39, , 59F
riveraveblue和yankees go yard前陣子都討論過
06/11 14:39, 59F

06/11 14:42, , 60F
不論投打數據或是球的質量 評價都不錯
06/11 14:42, 60F

06/11 15:55, , 61F
月讀大這次對Eno那篇文的解讀怪怪的吧
06/11 15:55, 61F

06/11 16:23, , 62F
Sevy沒用下半身的情形有改善嗎?
06/11 16:23, 62F

06/12 08:46, , 63F
pedro之前也有提到這點
06/12 08:46, 63F

06/12 16:36, , 64F
之前greene投的也不錯,沒想到到老虎就爆了...
06/12 16:36, 64F
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