[新聞] Yanks should say no thanks for Santana

看板NY-Yankees作者 (come every now and then)時間16年前 (2007/12/27 14:32), 編輯推噓62(62推 0噓 44→)
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This is from Peter Abraham's blog Yanks should say no thanks for Santana By the time 2008 rolls around, the Johan Santana Rumor Mill will get cranked up again. The latest bit of speculation is that Minnesota would accept a package of Phil Hughes, Melky Cabrera and Jeff Marquez for their lefty ace. I’m sure that sounds acceptable to many fans. But, for a second, look at the bigger picture. Are the Yankees developing their kids to play them or trade them? Santana is terrific, no doubt about it. But adding him to the roster would cost $20 million a season plus a 40-percent luxury tax penalty. The Yankees will be paying for what Santana did in Minnesota. Santana could be great again. But he was 15-13, 3.33 last season and will be 29 in March. He also has thrown 932 innings the last four seasons, counting the postseason. Sure, he could be terrific. Or he could be the next Mike Hampton. Nobody knows. Hughes and Cabrera are symbols of what Brian Cashman is trying to do with the Yankees. The organization did a great job of scouting, drafting and then developing Hughes into the best pitching prospect in the minors. Cabrera is a guy they rushed to the majors in 2005, screwed up and then built back up into a player good enough to take a job away from Johnny Damon. He would have been cut or traded five years ago. Trade these guys now and the message is pretty clear: The Yankees are only paying lip service to development. This isn’t trading a few B-level prospects for Bobby Abreu in July. This would be an old-school Yankees move. It’s their money, not ours. But I sit there at the Stadium and listen. People cheer loudest for the players who came up in pinstripes. People respect A-Rod but they love Jeter. They wanted Clemens do well. They adored Andy Pettitte. Cashman has somehow made it cool for Yankee fans to care about Jose Tabata even though 99 percent of them have no idea what he looks like. Spend the money on draft picks, Dominican shortstops and Taiwanese pitchers. Go find kids in Korea, Australia, Venezuela and everywhere else. Hire more scouts and go see every junior college prospect in Texas. Go find the next Santana, don’t trade for the old one. Let Santana go to the Mets or the Angels or better yet, let him stay in Minnesota where he belongs. If the Red Sox were serious, they would have done the deal weeks ago. They’re pushing chips around the table hoping somebody in Tampa will go all in so they can fold. We’ve spent two years wondering how good Phil Hughes could be. Let’s find out. http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/27/yanks-should-say-no-thanks-for-santana/ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.109.23.105
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12/27 14:39, , 1F
這些人怎麼對年輕人信心強大到這種地步?..@@
12/27 14:39, 1F
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12/27 14:42, , 2F
嗯 最後說得蠻有道理的 襪子要交易早交易了
12/27 14:42, 2F
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12/27 14:45, , 3F
大家都對P.H好有信心喔
12/27 14:45, 3F
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12/27 14:45, , 4F
跟襪子沒必然關係 重點是你自己須不須要 對手又不是只有襪子
12/27 14:45, 4F
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12/27 14:46, , 5F
最好老虎是病貓
12/27 14:46, 5F
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12/27 14:48, , 6F
如果想在這一兩年搶個冠軍,就有需要
12/27 14:48, 6F
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12/27 14:49, , 7F
如果喜歡養成遊戲 那當然可以享受養成大物的成就感
12/27 14:49, 7F
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12/27 14:50, , 8F
我覺得就算跟以前一樣也ok吧，洋基本來就是花大錢...
12/27 14:50, 8F
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12/27 14:51, , 9F
如果不交易,明年一定拿不了冠軍!進季後賽都有困難,就這麼簡單
12/27 14:51, 9F
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12/27 14:51, , 10F
痾 他為什麼提到多明尼加游擊手 和台灣投手..?
12/27 14:51, 10F
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12/27 14:57, , 11F
只是說花更多力氣去其他地方找好手 吧
12/27 14:57, 11F
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12/27 14:57, , 12F
因為有機會挖到便宜的上等貨。但我覺得太樂觀了
12/27 14:57, 12F
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12/27 14:59, , 13F
哈 這也代表了台灣投手很出名的
12/27 14:59, 13F
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12/27 15:06, , 14F
因為亞胖是台灣之友...
12/27 15:06, 14F
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12/27 15:06, , 15F
大帝換山老大這樣也要考慮?心理戰啦!!!
12/27 15:06, 15F
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12/27 15:07, , 16F
不過除了Wang以外 升MLB的其他台灣投手 手臂都很慘 ><"
12/27 15:07, 16F
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12/27 15:08, , 17F
但是Tsao & Kuo 的talent 絕對是無庸置疑的!
12/27 15:08, 17F
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12/27 15:22, , 18F
襪子是來鬧的，想迫使洋基出大價。他們早就夠強了﹍
12/27 15:22, 18F
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12/27 15:24, , 19F
能理解他的想法,不過這樣挺冒險的;不過說真的,要是大老闆
12/27 15:24, 19F
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12/27 15:25, , 20F
肯妥協,事實上大老板也沒啥強硬動作,那等一兩年也不錯啊.
12/27 15:25, 20F
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12/27 15:40, , 21F
推紅襪本來就是來鬧的...逼洋基丟大物出去
12/27 15:40, 21F
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12/27 15:47, , 22F
洋基的心態應該是兩年間想重回世界大賽吧 我覺得合理
12/27 15:47, 22F
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12/27 16:09, , 23F
亞胖發滅火文
12/27 16:09, 23F
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12/27 16:58, , 24F
我也覺得襪子是故意想逼洋基多丟點籌碼 以他門的陣容根本不
12/27 16:58, 24F
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12/27 16:59, , 25F
像洋基這麼迫切要先發 而雙城也樂得用襪子來逼洋基多換點
12/27 16:59, 25F
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12/27 17:29, , 26F
想法有點奇怪 好像只要別讓襪子得逞就爽了?山大王不到基襪
12/27 17:29, 26F
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12/27 17:30, , 27F
洋基就喘口氣?就可以不怕襪子 老虎了?
12/27 17:30, 27F
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12/27 17:31, , 28F
不是只有襪子一隊..
12/27 17:31, 28F
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12/27 17:31, , 29F
這篇真的論點有問題啊,29+以上就要擔心會不會變成痛痛人,
12/27 17:31, 29F
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12/27 17:32, , 30F
那以後乾脆就不要交易好了,王也快29+了,難不成明年賣掉?
12/27 17:32, 30F
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12/27 17:33, , 31F
15-13 Era3.33 Whip1.00 這個成績到底哪裡有問題可以嫌?
12/27 17:33, 31F
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12/27 17:36, , 32F
不要換好了拉 這麼划算還不換 明年打進季後賽一輪又被
12/27 17:36, 32F
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12/27 17:37, , 33F
倒數第三段嘴砲打更兇,那種道理大家都知道,但問題是有多少
12/27 17:37, 33F
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12/27 17:37, , 34F
踢掉的話 那就不要碎碎唸 小朋友要養大至少要兩三年
12/27 17:37, 34F
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12/27 17:38, , 35F
被好球探找來的新秀可以養起來?現在就有一個現成的可以用,
12/27 17:38, 35F
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12/27 17:38, , 36F
那些"大物"真正成熟要等多久?
12/27 17:38, 36F
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12/27 17:39, , 37F
作者喜歡spend two years 可不代表其他人喜歡啊~(笑)
12/27 17:39, 37F
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12/27 17:45, , 38F
他真的很挺自家農場耶...
12/27 17:45, 38F
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12/27 17:47, , 39F
貢獻一下翻譯：http://0rz.tw/b33tQ　
12/27 17:47, 39F
還有 27 則推文
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12/27 20:12, , 67F
哈哈哈哈哈,我第一次知道Melky是這麼不可取代的選手耶
12/27 20:12, 67F
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12/27 20:20, , 68F
OPS+90的選手會找不到?KC的David DeJesus的OPS+超過100
12/27 20:20, 68F
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12/27 20:23, , 69F
而且KC也有丟他的意思
12/27 20:23, 69F
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12/27 20:34, , 70F
Melky 太多HIGH LIGHT了? 鄉民念念不忘?
12/27 20:34, 70F
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12/27 20:49, , 71F
同意原著的論點 眼光放遠的吧 洋基 ~~~~
12/27 20:49, 71F
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12/27 21:03, , 72F
翻譯推推
12/27 21:03, 72F
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12/27 21:08, , 73F
SANTANA這種級數的左投竟然還無法讓人動心 我有點詫異...
12/27 21:08, 73F
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12/27 21:11, , 74F
KC想丟David DeJesus是因為今年他退化了，而且Melky比他年輕
12/27 21:11, 74F
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12/27 21:16, , 75F
牛奶的未來性還是很有看頭，希望洋基不要再迷信大牌了
12/27 21:16, 75F
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12/27 21:19, , 76F
基石的未來性很有看頭?? 哈哈
12/27 21:19, 76F
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12/27 21:35, , 77F
我們只需要一個"4號"OF當板凳,另外Melky不怎麼樣好嗎
12/27 21:35, 77F
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12/27 21:38, , 78F
還有,Yankees有200M的budget,不買Star是要做啥?
12/27 21:38, 78F
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12/27 21:41, , 79F
啊,還有,如果要等未來我會等Tabata上來,Melky就免了
12/27 21:41, 79F
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12/27 21:58, , 80F
推 總是藍的翻譯 . 他長這個樣 XD, 我還真是沒看過Tabata
12/27 21:58, 80F
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12/27 22:00, , 81F
這篇講的真是美妙樂觀~~
12/27 22:00, 81F
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12/27 22:09, , 82F
"未來性很有看頭"跟"很有看頭的未來會不會出現"是兩回事XD
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12/27 22:11, , 83F
山大王也不過才29歲而已,未來會有多糟糕?
12/27 22:11, 83F
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12/27 22:11, , 84F
好的投手比好的野手難找阿...
12/27 22:11, 84F
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12/27 22:17, , 85F
真不知道大家在激動啥,在我看來這篇只是在為洋基遲遲不出
12/27 22:17, 85F
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12/27 22:17, , 86F
大包裹換山大王的情形找理由而已,搞不好過幾天就交易也說ꐠ
12/27 22:17, 86F
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12/27 22:18, , 87F
不定,也可能搞半天洋基根本沒意願交易,都有可能啊....
12/27 22:18, 87F
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12/27 22:18, , 88F
多觀察一陣子吧,冬天還沒過呢~~~~
12/27 22:18, 88F
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12/27 23:58, , 89F
Melky是普普啦，不過留著當CF/LF替補的話算便宜好用了吧
12/27 23:58, 89F
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12/27 23:59, , 90F
就算等Tabata有便宜的頂著用沒什麼不好啊:P
12/27 23:59, 90F
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12/28 00:02, , 91F
其實這篇Melky被rush的觀點也很有趣:P 小傢伙畢竟年輕，
12/28 00:02, 91F
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12/28 00:03, , 92F
以往大家對年輕人的耐心在他身上比較缺一點:P 果然是不是
12/28 00:03, 92F
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12/28 00:04, , 93F
大物有差，小的rush養壞了就馬馬虎虎:P
12/28 00:04, 93F
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12/28 00:28, , 94F
我到不覺得有啥rush到,畢竟以他的年紀根本沒辦法期待打到
12/28 00:28, 94F
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12/28 00:29, , 95F
多好多殺的成績,而且Melky的選球和防守是可以隨經驗而
12/28 00:29, 95F
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12/28 00:30, , 96F
改善的,我想養個幾年可能會有不錯的成績啊,只是怕洋基沒啥
12/28 00:30, 96F
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12/28 00:31, , 97F
機會再給他而已,除非Damon也跑去陪痛痛人了 =.=a
12/28 00:31, 97F
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12/28 01:11, , 98F
Melky 1984年生，說真的是很小:P 當然他能夠累積一千個打席
12/28 01:11, 98F
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12/28 01:12, , 99F
多少有點因緣際會，拜松井受傷和Damon低潮所賜
12/28 01:12, 99F
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12/28 01:20, , 100F
我反而覺得Melky是少了速度:P 他要是有Damon的速度，再交出
12/28 01:20, 100F
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12/28 01:21, , 101F
2006那種程度的AVG OBP，砲管小當一二棒也很夠用了
12/28 01:21, 101F
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12/28 12:01, , 102F
我也蠻期待休斯的 畢竟是自己農場的大物
12/28 12:01, 102F
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12/28 13:24, , 103F
期待休斯+1 真換走了還滿捨不得的
12/28 13:24, 103F
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12/28 14:33, , 104F
樓上，我們還有Shelly Duncan啊...XD...（逃）
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12/28 17:29, , 105F
期待山大王...那才是真正的大加分
12/28 17:29, 105F
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12/29 17:23, , 106F
這篇看起來像是以球迷的心情寫的啊 我讀的時候就沒很認真…
12/29 17:23, 106F
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