[轉錄][分享] Emma給大家的一封信

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※ [本文轉錄自 NTU 看板 #1DD6DxB0 ] 作者: hsnu90542 (嘿!該你了) 看板: NTU 標題: [分享] Emma給大家的一封信 時間: Mon Jan 17 23:42:47 2011 Emma寫了一封信給大家,請我幫忙代po 本人持中立立場,把Emma寫的信放在板上,未做任何更動 我是誰不重要,因內容有圖片,所以我把圖片放在我的FB相簿(我不會做網頁) 我並不想紅,麻煩大家了!! Dear lovely Taiwanese students at NTU. I am in a very sad and frustrated position right now. I have just finished five AMAZING months and NTU and during my stay in Taiwan I have met a lot of wonderful, amazing people. I always told my friends in Denmark that Taiwan has some of the nicest people in the world. And it is true! I have come to love your amazing country a LOT! In the beginning of September I moved into the Chang Shing dorm at NTU since I wanted to live close to the other exchange students and have a social life. I am a very sociable person and I have previously lived in Australia, France, London and Saudi-Arabia where I have shared apartments and rooms with all sorts of people. When I lived in Australia I even shared an apartment with Chinese people. And they are still some of my lovely friends today. The first day that I moved into the dorm I wanted to call my father to tell him that I had arrived safely and that I was doing well. I called my father around 3pm in the afternoon in my room in the dorm. Two minutes into the conversation I hear a knocking on my door. I tell my father to ‘hold on’ so that I could open. When I open the door I see my new neighbor asking me to “lower my voice so that she could practice her French”. I told her that it was very hard for me to lower my voice as it was just a normal speaking voice. Anyways, I still did and accepted her complaint. Ever since this day, every time I would Skype, dry my hair, listen to music (I would NEVER listen to techno and never after 10pm or before 8am), she would complain. I am just a normal girl trying to live my life and I did ONLY normal things. I have also been travelling a lot during my stay in Taiwan so I was hardly in my room at all. But whenever I was, I always felt absolutely horrible. I knew that if my phone rang, I could not pick it up because that would mean that I would have a ‘knocking’ on my wall. Even if my new friends called me to ask if I wanted to come down for dinner I was afraid of picking up my phone. Therefore I wrote my neighbor a letter in September, telling her that I think that I hoped she would appreciate the fact that I have to make phone calls and that because of the time difference I would sometimes have to call at 7-8pm etc. This letter can be found below: http://0rz.tw/ir5Oo She has read the letter but she gave me back the earplugs that I had bought for her. Throughout my semester in Taipei, I have been away almost every other weekend either travelling around Taiwan or to other Asian countries. But I always hated coming back to the dorm as I knew that I could never feel relaxed in my room. Therefore, I wanted to ask some of the other exchange students if they had similar problems and I sent them this email: Me: 19 September 2010 at 11:53 GIRLS!!! I have to ask you if you know what the rules are regarding talking in your own room... It can't be true that my neighbour has to knock on my door every time I skype with someone. It's not like it's loud at all. It's just a normal conversation... I can't imagine it is illegal to speak in your own room??? Have you had any problems with your neighbours, or am I just super unlucky regarding my lucky pick next-door ;o) ???? I wanna find out if she's actually allowed to tell me not to speak (isn't that a human right) ;o))) ??? But I wanna ask you before I ask in the reception. No need to create a drama. She just ANNOYS me ;) See ya later for a late dinner ??? xoxo Michelle Heaton: 19 September 2010 at 11:58 Reply‧ Report Hahaha, I think that u just are super unlucky. I skype all the time and play music and everything and no one has told me anything! Of course u should be allowed to talk in the phone or skype in your own room! I am definitely up for a later dinner, maybe at 19.30? Sofia Hansson: 19 September 2010 at 12:06 Reply‧ Report hahaha OMG, i just met my neighbour, she is actually the birthday girl that's why i haven't had any complains... Im also playing the music all the time or wathever... I guesse there should be a rule or something that allows u to make noises untill 10pm and then to be quiet, u should ask downstairs, but she seeems so annoying! Or we should find her a boyfriend so that she can actually get out of that room and get a life... hahaha (ok that was me just being mean! sorry! Yeah sure lets meet for dinner, but not to early if thats okay because im suppose to skype... so 7.30 or 8pm seems perfect! Me: 19 September 2010 at 12:12 Pheeeeeeeeeew. Thank God. It seems like I'm not super crazy. I feel like I'm doing something wrong every time I skype etc. She has never complained when I listen to music but every time I speak she knocks on my door and asks me to lower the volume - and it isn't loud at all!!!! I feel like a prisoner and I feel guilty every time I skype and I don't like nor want that!!! So thank you girls for saying that you are doing the same. I have the impression that she is just studying (her French apparently) ALL the time. She's one of those 5am - 11pm student. Maybe I should ask Steven to pretend he works here and tell her that it is allowed to speak in your own room (what a great plan that is)! :D And of course after 10pm, noise it is a different story ;o) 8PM for dinner = perfect!!! See ya downstairs ladies ♥ Cher Lloyd: 19 September 2010 at 13:26 Reply‧ Report so sorry, I'm late. I do not have any problem with my neighbours, even if I 'm always making noise. Indeed, I can hear one of them singing sometimes. It is quite fun. So sorry, but I think you are really unlucky. Good luck. See at 8 pm These mails clearly show that I was just having a very unlucky pick of neighbor. I always told the reception about this also as well as the management of the dorm. However, their reaction was always: “yes, she is very sensitive”. Nothing else ever happened. And I have been informed that last year, another poor girl living next to my neighbor was the one being bullied by my neighbor constantly knocking on her door asking stuff like ‘where does this water sound came from’ as she wanted to know who was taking a shower. This shows that my neighbor, indeed, is very sensitive. But that does NOT give her the right to knock on walls late at night and disturb other people. Throughout the last two months of my stay I started to hear her scream in her room. Even when I was super quiet in my own room. I do not know why she would scream, but it did sound like something was wrong in there. I also informed the reception about these screams and knocking, and all I received was smiles and a nod. One Sunday afternoon I was skyping with my old grandmother for maybe 20 minutes. Throughout this whole conversation my neighbor was CONSTANTLY knocking on my wall so much that I could not concentrate on what my poor, old grandmother was saying. I also informed the reception once again and the management and the response were none-existing. I did not lower my voice when I spoke to my grandmother as she has a bad hearing and because I was only talking with a normal speaking voice. As revenge my neighbor woke me up at 4am that same night by knocking on her wall right next to my bed. I usually do not wake up easily but this night I did, as it was a CLEAR attempt to wake me up. She knocked for maybe 15-20 seconds. This left me awake for 2 hours as my heart was beating SO fast and I was so angry and frustrated. Once again I told the reception. Every time I had some of these incidents and knocking on walls I would ALWAYS tell the other exchange students. They have all been following my story throughout the whole stay. They all thought that it sounded crazy and wondered why nothing happened from the management’s side. So everyone was aware of all of this. Unfortunately, my Chinese is VERY poor so I could not post about my thoughts and frustrations on the PPT page. I could only do Facebook and tell my friends in Taiwan about it. The 19th of September I sent this message to Steven who is an amazing guy and friend to all of us: http://0rz.tw/tjCeD Then on Friday the 14th of January 2011, I had been out shopping with my friend to buy presents for the exchange coordinators as we think they have done an amazing job for all of us exchange students throughout our stay. I came back to the dorm around 3pm and I opened my door as QUIETLY as possible because I knew that if I my neighbor would hear me come home, she would knock, AGAIN! S o I entered slowly and I was sitting on my bed on my computer not making ANY noise at all. No Skype and no music. Still, I hear my neighbor knock a couple of times even though, she did not know if I was in my room, or not. But all of a sudden I see her face looking through my window. So my neighbor had jumped out her window to look through MY window and invading MY privacy to see if I was in my room so that she could start knocking. I yelled at her and told her to “GO AWAY!” At this point I was VERY upset, SAD and frustrated. I went straight to my friend’s room and asked her if I could please sleep in her room, as I could not live in my room anymore. Also, I told the reception about it and their response was: “I am very sorry to hear about this!” That same night on Friday the 14th of January, some of us exchange students were having a couple of beers in the common room since it was the last night for some people. We are talking about my neighbor and my friends are so annoyed about it all as well. I went up to my room to pick up my jacket which only took two minutes. AGAIN, she knocked on my wall and I went down to tell the others. So we agreed on that we should go to my neighbor’s room and knock on her door and window and ask her why she would do this kind of stuff to people. So six of us entered the female dorm around midnight and went to room 905. Our aim was NEVER to threaten anyone; it was never to hurt anyone, or the like. We simply wanted to ask her why she did what she did. Since the dorm did not do anything, we thought we should all talk to her. So we entered my room and one of my friends jump out the window and knocks slowly on her window saying “Excuse me, can you please open the window. We want to talk to you,” nothing else. She of course does not open. Furthermore, another guy knocks on her door and tells her to stop harassing others in the middle of the night and that she needs to treat others the way she wants to be treated. He said: “Hey there, open the door!! Do you really think that it is funny to knock on others wall every day and night? If you want to study in total silence, please go to the library, people have right to live their own life in normal day time! She is going to leave in a few days, Why dont you just let her go????!!!!" We even have pictures of the knocking on the window which CLEARLY shows that is it NOTHING compared to the reconstruction that was on TV Saturday the 15th of January. I have attached the picture of the knocking beneath. Please notice how the hand is knocking silently with just one finger. http://0rz.tw/MEJ1E http://0rz.tw/RwN5D There were NEVER ANY death threats at this night. No one mentioned the word ‘death’ and no one wanted to hurt anyone. All the exchange students are some of the nicest and most lovely people you will ever meet and none of us would ever hurt a mouse. We are all very normal people who see the best in everything. We simply wanted to ask my neighbor WHY she was constantly annoying other people around her since we do NOT think that this is okay! YES, it was WRONG to walk into the dorm at night. But in our countries we do not separate male and female and we probably did not think of it to be as wrong as the local people do. To us, it is just a dorm. We totally understand and respect the local rules and we apologize for breaking this rule about boys entering the dorm after 11pm. When we walked past the reception we just said that we would be back in 2mins. We did not make any other excuses saying that we had to pack and carry stuff, or the like. We simply said: “we will be back in 2mins!” and entered the dorm. After this we left the dorm and some people went to bed and some went out. The next day we wake up hearing that someone has created an untrue story on a local forum. Since none of us speak Chinese, we do not have the possibility of interacting and tell our side of the story. So instead we all of a sudden receive HORRIBLE messages on Facebook, phone calls and the like. Some of these messages are very childish and it was clear to us that the local students of NTU did not know the real truth at all. We were all very sad that judgments had been taken without hearing the story from the other side. Remember! There are ALWAYS two sides of every story. Whether it is a couple that breaks up or it is a person that gets fired from work. ALWAYS talk to both sides before making a judgment! At this point we are all having a meeting with the management at the school and we inform them about our version of the story. They understand our situation and frustration and listen to us. Still they say that it is hard for them to stop the false allegations on the local PPT. We are all very sad that we cannot tell our side of the story and instead we have to wait for the school to do something. At night we hear that 200 people turn up at the dorm to demonstrate and still none of these people know the real truth. Now we have given an interview to a newspaper and we all hope that the lovely students at NTU will understand that this is a very sad situation for us all. We came to Taiwan to learn about your wonderful country, smiles and people. And we have had an AMAZING time. Taiwan really is fantastic! I also want to add that Steven Chiu is one of the friendliest guys you will ever meet. He has done so much for us all and he is the one who helped us when we could not find our way home, wanted to go to Carrefour or other things. Steven has not done anything wrong at all and he only deserves good things in life. Steven has introduced us all to your lovely country and he has done A LOT to inform us about everything that we need to know about Taiwan. He has been our link to a lot of things. Everything that he has done is simply amazing!!! We are just sad that we had to leave like this and we hope that you all have read our story and will believe that we are all good people who would never hurt or harm anyone. If I had not lived in my room, it would have been someone else. I was just unlucky and any of you would have gone crazy with a constant knocking on the wall every time you dry your hair, call your parents or listen to your favorite music in the afternoon for a couple of hours at a low level. These are things that should be legal and essential in any dorm room. Of course people should respect each other, but as I sad earlier, I have always lived with other people in very different countries, and I never had any problems with anyone, EVER! They are all still my friends today! Thank you for your understanding and please create peace. The world is so beautiful and we need to make it more beautiful! Keep smiling and thank you for reading!!! I love Taiwan!!! Ps: Finally, I want to add that I am a very normal girl who loves all my friends and family. I have visited Asia MANY times and I am in love. Furthermore, I have a LOT of friends all over the world from England, to the US, to Malaysia, and now Taiwan. I am positive, open-minded and very easy to talk to and I see the best in everybody. My home country, Denmark, is one of the safest and nicest places in the world. Last year we were nominated ‘The Happiest Nation in the World’. We are all very open-minded and for the Danes, Taiwan and Asia is very interesting. We are big fans of your culture here in Taiwan. Danish people are as quiet, peaceful and sweet as the Taiwanese! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.112.234.192

01/17 23:44,
投推
01/17 23:44

01/17 23:45,
慘 這大概要寒假完才看得完
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01/17 23:47,
Emma好像是管院碩士專班的,都成年了,信中還不自知問題重點?
01/17 23:47

01/17 23:47,
GRE閱讀都沒那麼長...
01/17 23:47

01/17 23:47,
po到八卦版馬上就有各式各樣的翻譯文了
01/17 23:47

01/17 23:48,
哀 .............
01/17 23:48

01/17 23:49,
她以為她住水泥隔間嗎?在木板隔間的環境中,噪音"標準"比較嚴
01/17 23:49

01/17 23:50,
她的腦袋瓜理解不了嗎?其他玩喀不在意噪音,可被她拿來振振有
01/17 23:50

01/17 23:50,
BBS的20頁英文,看來這事情的發展真的讓她有焦慮到
01/17 23:50

01/17 23:51,
重點在她還是有烙男人深夜去女舍騷擾女學生
01/17 23:51

01/17 23:51,
詞認為自己"不算"製造噪音嗎?全信讓大家見證了何謂東拉西扯~
01/17 23:51

01/17 23:51,
會怕就好
01/17 23:51

01/17 23:51,
不管她和苦主之前的恩怨,她當晚的行為就是亂來
01/17 23:51

01/17 23:51,
真的是 顧左右而言他
01/17 23:51

01/17 23:52,
話說 不要噓原PO拉 = =
01/17 23:52

01/17 23:52,
避重就輕,說法也跟政人所述不符,還想用人情攻勢
01/17 23:52

01/17 23:52,
各位在外租那種木板隔間又要準備考試的屋,你放音樂試試看!社
01/17 23:52

01/17 23:52,
完了~八卦板又要翻譯之亂了= =
01/17 23:52

01/17 23:52,
快推回來... 不然原PO沒事做多一篇劣文 虧很大
01/17 23:52

01/17 23:52,
會上沒在跟你客氣的~ps.你租到全是玩喀學生或上班族不唸書的
01/17 23:52

01/17 23:53,
需多了不會劣啦
01/17 23:53

01/17 23:53,
管他前面理由寫得落落長,那都不是重點= =" 重點是有
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01/17 23:53,
END
01/17 23:53

01/17 23:53,
先備份
01/17 23:53

01/17 23:53,
講中文吼
01/17 23:53

01/17 23:53,
人違反規定進入宿舍,並且使人心生恐懼吧= =
01/17 23:53

01/17 23:54,
木板隔間case則是例外,否則有基本智商的人都知要共體時艱:靜
01/17 23:54

01/17 23:54,
幫原PO補血
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01/17 23:55,
完了完了 這篇出來 又一堆人要翻譯了
01/17 23:55

01/17 23:56,
太長了不想翻...
01/17 23:56

01/17 23:56,
幫補血
01/17 23:56

01/17 23:56,
開始人情攻勢了嗎
01/17 23:56

01/17 23:56,
都有證人了 還狡辯
01/17 23:56

01/17 23:57,
誰要轉八卦 就有人翻譯了
01/17 23:57

01/17 23:57,
雖然她寫得不錯.. 不過有些事是事實... 幫推
01/17 23:57

01/17 23:57,
不過說實在的他都沒用什麼深難詞字連我都看得懂..
01/17 23:57

01/17 23:58,
非常多的現場詳細對話細節 還蠻像是捏造的...(個人感覺)
01/17 23:58

01/17 23:58,
他自認為總是很安靜 跟正常人一樣 他別的鄰居可不是這麼說的
01/17 23:58

01/17 23:58,
我只看了前幾段加最後兩段,中間看到她舉了一些也是
01/17 23:58
還有 339 則推文
還有 1 段內文
01/18 01:09,
看了這文就會覺得是nqc很可怕
01/18 01:09

01/18 01:09,
聲音,我不清楚,但找人來這件事 Emma自己都認了
01/18 01:09

01/18 01:10,
"的說法,而且後來播音樂播到全走廊都聽到,又如何解釋呢?
01/18 01:10

01/18 01:10,
找人來是錯的這個Emma信內有提到,學校也會有處置
01/18 01:10

01/18 01:10,
如果再沒有對質,雙方一直po文的話,那會浪費大家多少時間
01/18 01:10

01/18 01:11,
我推ieng大~我覺得沒有很多人著墨的"酒精"也是一個關鍵
01/18 01:11

01/18 01:11,
Emma的"正常音量"是無差別攻擊到苦主以外的其他鄰居耶....
01/18 01:11

01/18 01:11,
===========寒假時間太多 來打打嘴砲正好================
01/18 01:11

01/18 01:13,
證人有說 他一開始沒聽到 是後來EMMA似乎被投訴到煩
01/18 01:13

01/18 01:13,
去睡了,無謂為此事傷肝,遠因只能說BOT的爛隔音
01/18 01:13

01/18 01:13,
才故意反擊回去
01/18 01:13

01/18 01:15,
那她就不要說自己一直都很靜...
01/18 01:15

01/18 01:15,
證人一開始沒聽到是因為有開窗戶~
01/18 01:15

01/18 01:21,
看完了 比較同情emma一點 但不能說誰對誰錯
01/18 01:21

01/18 01:21,
http://0rz.tw/3RZWT 要正視這個問題!!!
01/18 01:21

01/18 01:27,
F大所說證人是因為開窗戶才沒聽到,我記得是他的推測
01/18 01:27

01/18 01:28,
還有送耳塞, 沒說清楚這會讓對方認為挑釁吧?
01/18 01:28

01/18 01:32,
Emma那封信寫得有點太直讓人感受不太到善意 而且似乎
01/18 01:32

01/18 01:32,
講明自己時差的問題
01/18 01:32

01/18 01:33,
其實我覺得那封信不會沒有善意 很多外國人用英文講話本
01/18 01:33

01/18 01:33,
來就是直白 不像東方人習慣包裝得很委婉
01/18 01:33

01/18 01:37,
結論是台大人英文真好~!!!
01/18 01:37

01/18 01:41,
我感覺拍照時的氛圍是嘻嘻哈哈的 想秀給朋友看
01/18 01:41

01/18 01:41,
台灣的人英文本來就不差, 只是被發音迷思啦!
01/18 01:41

01/18 01:45,
我只覺得輔導員也是一個關鍵角色
01/18 01:45

01/18 01:45,
如果我的室友真如本文所說 我也會崩潰....
01/18 01:45

01/18 01:45,
剛剛給我哥看照片 我哥說這明明就很可怕啊="=
01/18 01:45

01/18 01:47,
對 ali說得沒錯 所以我是用"太直" 而不是挑釁之類的
01/18 01:47

01/18 01:48,
這在東方人和西方人的語言表達上確實有差異
01/18 01:48
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01/18 07:16, , 1F
這種事擁有兩方的故事,這裡噓的人啊...別那麼無聊
01/18 07:16, 1F

01/18 07:18, , 2F
的一直挑他的信,especially chutzpah =.="
01/18 07:18, 2F

01/18 11:56, , 3F
不知一直誇台灣是哪招?解釋清楚比較重要吧
01/18 11:56, 3F

01/18 20:15, , 4F
很簡單的結論,絕對就是隔音差的問題。然後演變成雙方認
01/18 20:15, 4F

01/18 20:18, , 5F
知與感受的差異。學校有必要"認真"檢討目前bot的問題了!!
01/18 20:18, 5F

01/19 02:52, , 6F
bitch! When in Rome do as the romans do
01/19 02:52, 6F

01/19 02:53, , 7F
don't make excuses such as"It was ok in my country"
01/19 02:53, 7F

01/19 02:57, , 8F
what you did that night was a felony!!!
01/19 02:57, 8F

01/19 03:22, , 9F
人一旦有了立場,就很難接受其他意見,唉~~啥都聽不進去
01/19 03:22, 9F

01/19 07:32, , 10F
竊以為劣者仍過於溫和, 不夠挑剔
01/19 07:32, 10F
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