[外絮] 富保羅:年輕球員應看清自己的定位，接納仍有成長空間

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8/28 富保羅的Game Over Podcast Jonathan Kuminga's Free Agency and Agent Perspectives on Value 這章節原本是在聊苦命跟經紀人 And sometimes, you know, I think it's important to evaluate where you are and be OK with understanding that I still have room to grow. Now I've been in a situation I'm a speak from my own guys, Jalen Johnson, Moses Moody, right? Moses was the 14th picking the draft to Golden State. He's going to a place to where I think they won the the finals in his first year, not really getting a lot of playing opportunity. He comes up for a contract, I meet with him, I meet with his family, and I explained to him, for me, I feel like we still have room to grow. But it's also important for you to get a little money in your pocket, right? I think what you can learn from this locker room, what you can learn from this organization, the opportunity to sit in and be in film sessions with guys like Steve Kerr, Steph Curry, Draymond Klay, the opportunities to go far in the playoffs and get that experience. Whether it's 2 minutes or 22 minutes, whether you start or you come off the bench, that's just that's just you gaining experience because I believe when you go to a team. You do it and you embrace it.You're going to you're going to play three to five more years then you probably would haveplayed had you started somewhere else that that probably wasn't as better position, right? Paul:有時候，我認為很重要的一件事，就是正確審視自己目前的定位，並能夠坦然接 受「我還有進步的空間」，我也曾歷經過這樣的處境。拿我旗下的球員Jalen Johnson、 Moses Moody來舉例好嗎？Moses Moody當年在第14順位被勇士選中。他來到這支球隊時 球隊在他的新人年奪下總冠軍；只不過他並沒有獲得太多上場機會。後續到了合約談判的 階段，我和他與他的家人會面。 我向他說明：「對我來說，我覺得我們還有繼續成長的空間。但讓你賺進一筆收入也同樣 很重要，對吧？」我認為你可以從這支球隊的休息室與球團的身上學到的東西；還有機 會一起參加影片分析，與Kerr、Curry、Draymond、Klay等人共事；你還有機會打進季後 賽的深處。無論上場2分鐘或22分鐘，無論是從先發或是板凳出發，這些都是在累積經驗。 你全力投入其中並欣然接受這一切，你的職業生涯會多出3~5年，相較於一開始就去一支 戰力前景沒那麼好的球隊會來得更長，對吧？ And you didn't embrace the same way in Jaylen Johnson's case.Jalen Johnson was in a different position and he was budding.He was budding.They were making room clearing it out for him to be the guy.Clearly they were clearing it out for him to be the guy, but once, once once we got to $150million fully guaranteed.24:12It's not about me, right?I know if if I,if I wait, I believe's going to have a really good season and we'll go and get, youknow, be positioned for Max contract the next year.But you have to evaluate the risk of that number one. And also can that player lay under those circumstances #2 he, he had some, a couple of injuries prior to and this is life changing money for him and his family. 24:40 Speaker1 And you can't. You can't say. 24:41 Speaker 2 No, this is my point, right? 24:43 Speaker 1 Especially the intensity that the modern sports world is played in NFL, MLB, like guys arms are falling off the intensity because the competition is so great all the time. The the risk of injury is so high. 24:57 Speaker 2 Especially when you've already had them. But, but, but, but in like Tyrese Maxi's case, it was a little bit different. He had never had no injuries. He's very doable. I knew that whatever they offered us was going to be so underpaid. Paul:而Jalen Johnson的狀況就不一樣，Jalen當時所處的環境截然不同，他正處於崛起 的階段他正要嶄露頭角。球隊當時正在清開陣容、騰出空間，準備把他當成核心球員培 養。很明顯球隊已經在為他鋪路要讓他成為球隊一哥。然而當我們談到一份1億5000萬的 全額保障合約擺在眼前時。這件事就不再只看長遠潛力了，對吧？我心裡很清楚，如果選 擇再等等，我相信他能打出一個非常亮眼的賽季，隔年有機會爭取頂薪。但首先你必須評 估背後伴隨的風險。再來第二點，這名球員能不能在這樣的環境下扛住壓力？他先前就已 經歷過幾次傷病，而這筆錢足以徹底改變他們全家人的人生。 Kellerman:你沒辦法斷言。 Paul:沒錯，這就是我想表達的。 Kellerman:尤其現今職業體育的競爭強度，不論是NFL、MLB都是如此；選手的身體負荷 幾乎快要撐不住。競爭始終激烈，受傷的風險非常高。 Paul：曾經受過傷的球員更是如此。不過Tyrese Maxey的案例就不太一樣。他從來沒有 重大傷病史，風險相當可控，我當時就知道無論球隊開出什麼條件，給出的薪資一定會遠 低於他的真實身價。 25:11 Speaker 1Right, you have to wait.25:13 Speaker 2You have to.So in that case we had to wait the year before that maybe he gets 140 million, his comparisonssomebody like Jordan Poole, one year later he gets 20 four.So that's a $64 million difference, being patient.25:28Now, he had to go out there and play and he did.And he had a hell of a season.That's when he hit the shot in the Garden, took the series, extended the series with the Knicks,etcetera.And And but those are three different scenarios that I'm given and. Kellerman:沒錯，你就得選擇等待。 Paul：勢必如此。所以以那個案例來說，如果前一年就簽約，拿Jordan Poole當參考對象 他或許只能拿到1億4000萬；而晚一年簽約，他就拿到2億4000萬。光是耐心等待，就出現 高達6400萬美元的差距。之後他就得打出表現，而他也確實辦到了。他繳出一個極為精彩 的賽季。那一戰他在麥迪遜廣場花園投進關鍵一擊，延長了和尼克隊的系列賽。以上就是 我所遇到的三種不同狀況。 來源:https://open.spotify.com/episode/5bVGETxnZpoIY8vrcrFYZ7 22:10處開始 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 36.231.77.138 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1787985094.A.EB8.html
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08/29 14:34, 22小時前 , 1F
Paul > Turner
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※ 編輯: kakala99 (36.231.77.138 臺灣), 08/29/2026 14:35:15
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08/29 14:34, 22小時前 , 2F
論經紀人實力富保羅真的有料
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08/29 14:34, 22小時前 , 3F
該怎麼說，在喇叭詹的議題上，富保羅各種胡說八道
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。但對於其他球員，他還真的幫他們爭取到最佳利益
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08/29 14:35, 22小時前 , 5F
阿嘎簽個富保羅吧
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08/29 14:35, 22小時前 , 6F
富保羅當經紀人是真有料
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08/29 14:35, 22小時前 , 7F
詹媒憑什麼大談苦命啊 你怎麼不當他經紀人XD
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08/29 14:35, 22小時前 , 8F
能跟姆斯深交這麼久沒被蛋調
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08/29 14:35, 22小時前 , 9F
經紀界的山羊
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08/29 14:35, 22小時前 , 10F
說真的 這咖只要沒談到有關姆斯的話題
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08/29 14:35, 22小時前 , 11F
講出來都像專業經紀人該有的內容
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08/29 14:36, 22小時前 , 12F
這部分真的有料，對於當局的判斷蠻精準的
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08/29 14:36, 22小時前 , 13F
我有去看影片 他還說甚麼經紀人不成文規定
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08/29 14:36, 22小時前 , 14F
不能貶低其他球員來為自己的球員提升價值
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08/29 14:36, 22小時前 , 15F
看到就笑了
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08/29 14:36, 22小時前 , 16F
合格經紀人 把顧客最大利益和風險都考慮進去了
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08/29 14:37, 22小時前 , 17F
富保羅強多了
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08/29 14:37, 22小時前 , 18F
不談姆斯說話就很有料
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08/29 14:37, 22小時前 , 19F
該講的都有講，也分析給球員知道選擇什麼機會更佳
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？
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08/29 14:37, 22小時前 , 21F
苦命經紀人爛到出汁
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08/29 14:38, 22小時前 , 22F
能娶到Adele的男人怎麼可能是普通人物？他幫姆斯護
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08/29 14:38, 22小時前 , 23F
航的發言其實也就是維護客戶權益而已，你看他會酸
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08/29 14:38, 22小時前 , 24F
鉛筆但絕對不會酸Maxey，因為酸鉛筆對姆斯（甚至A
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D）有益，而Maxey也是自己的客戶，就不會被酸甚至
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08/29 14:38, 22小時前 , 26F
吹捧他
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08/29 14:38, 22小時前 , 27F
不談山羌確實有料
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08/29 14:38, 22小時前 , 28F
就叫你簽富保了 阿嘎
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08/29 14:38, 22小時前 , 29F
富保在經紀人這塊真的頂尖，不談姆斯就好了
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08/29 14:38, 22小時前 , 30F
Moody 是年輕球員表率，專注自己的定位幹好份內的
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08/29 14:38, 22小時前 , 31F
事，便宜大碗
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08/29 14:39, 22小時前 , 32F
阿嘎你來不及了 好的經紀人帶你上天堂
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08/29 14:39, 22小時前 , 33F
談合約方面富保羅確實是有料
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08/29 14:39, 22小時前 , 34F
以球員的角度來說富寶絕對是超好經紀人，但一般大
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08/29 14:39, 22小時前 , 35F
眾看他就是個譁眾取寵的小丑，兩者不衝突
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08/29 14:39, 22小時前 , 36F
原來木笛經紀人是富保羅 好險有續約
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08/29 14:40, 22小時前 , 37F
純論經紀人富保羅絕對是有料的 他極擅長變現自己球
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08/29 14:41, 22小時前 , 38F
說起來，76人現在似乎大多是富保幫的？
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還有 248 則推文
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08/29 21:04, 16小時前 , 287F
THT跟Poole，當時都是能投資的簽約，但後來自己崩壞
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08/29 21:23, 16小時前 , 288F
那個又老又沒潛力的很有自知之明喔，乖乖去領底薪了
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08/29 21:23, 16小時前 , 289F
富保羅當經紀人手腕沒話說
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大約 GOAT
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08/29 21:41, 15小時前 , 291F
說經紀人很會抬價是稱讚
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08/29 21:55, 15小時前 , 292F
他以經紀人來說確實超強
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08/29 21:57, 15小時前 , 293F
富保還是很有料的
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08/29 22:12, 15小時前 , 294F
包裝球員真的厲害，也難怪能包裝牢詹
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08/29 22:12, 15小時前 , 295F
5月以後就說全聯盟瘋搶，瘋搶到只剩底薪，真的讚
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08/29 22:12, 15小時前 , 296F
THT也包裝得很好，還好有留湖人，沒去害別隊
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08/29 22:14, 15小時前 , 297F
富堡挑戰NBA 歷史兩大超級傳奇，搞得自己一身腥
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08/29 22:14, 15小時前 , 298F
確實幫許多角色球員包裝得不錯啦
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也幫核心牢詹包裝得很好，但全聯盟老闆都沒有被騙
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08/29 22:14, 15小時前 , 300F
沒有甚麼4000萬可以，至少都有3000萬之類的
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08/29 22:23, 15小時前 , 301F
不愧是老婆是Adele的男人
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08/29 22:26, 15小時前 , 302F
他毫無疑問有料,只是某個商人誇張到已經包裝不起來
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08/29 22:32, 15小時前 , 303F
包裝行銷 並協助球員選取最好的路線跟方案
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08/29 22:33, 14小時前 , 304F
請他幫忙經紀事務絕對正向
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08/29 22:33, 14小時前 , 305F
至於之後球員願不願意持續精進就...XD
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噓
08/29 22:36, 14小時前 , 306F
所以2010年年僅26歲樂邦跑去熱火抱腿
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08/29 23:09, 14小時前 , 307F
在不牽涉到樂邦的議題上發言就很正常
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08/29 23:12, 14小時前 , 308F
qq 去證明自己了
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08/29 23:24, 14小時前 , 309F
有料~但苦命可能是選擇了能給情緒價值的經紀人
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08/30 00:30, 13小時前 , 310F
2010老詹的經紀人又不是富保羅 某樓詹酸有點雲
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08/30 00:56, 12小時前 , 311F
不護航姆斯的富保羅真的有料
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08/30 01:01, 12小時前 , 312F
就說明球員作為物件該怎麼評估風險 運用策略來收益
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最大化
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糟糕的經紀人則搞不懂手上物件的性質 導致嚴重折價
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08/30 03:00, 10小時前 , 315F
富保羅論能力真的NBA經紀人Goat了吧
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08/30 06:08, 7小時前 , 316F
富堡在經紀人這塊還是很有料的，該爭取的絕對幫你
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爭
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08/30 06:38, 6小時前 , 318F
有些球員就有身體沒智商
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然後找到的經紀人又怪怪的
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08/30 06:52, 6小時前 , 320F
有一說一，富保羅作為經紀人是真有料
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08/30 08:38, 4小時前 , 321F
不瞎吹牢沾的時候就蠻中肯的
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08/30 08:52, 4小時前 , 322F
當他沒在銷售球員時，當然是有參考性，但如果是為了
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08/30 08:52, 4小時前 , 323F
為了迫使球團讓步，那些行銷的鬼話笑笑就可以
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噓
08/30 10:32, 3小時前 , 324F
你的老沾就沒看清拼命自吹呀
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08/30 11:01, 2小時前 , 325F
sawalee0811 不用誇大 富保是NBA頂級經紀人 之一
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但別草率用經紀人goat亂喊 慎之
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