[外絮] NBA:沒證據負載管理對受傷風險沒幫助或有幫助

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https://reurl.cc/L4Ng0x 作者:Tim Bontemps The NBA disseminated an analytics report to teams and select media members this week that said there is no correlation between players being load managed and having a reduced risk of injury. The report, the latest step in what has been a long debate over the concept of load management, comes in the wake of Joe Dumars, the NBA's executive vice president of basketball operations, saying in October that there is no correlation between the two. Commissioner Adam Silver backed up Dumars in a news conference last month. 本週NBA向球隊和選定的媒體成員發布了一份分析報告,該報告指出球員進行負載管理與 減少受傷風險之間沒有相關性。 這份報告是對負擔管理概念進行長時間辯論的最新一步,此前NBA的籃球運營執行副總裁 Joe Dumars於十月份表示,這兩者之間沒有相關性。NBA主席Adam Silver在上個月的記者 會上支持了Dumars的說法。 Dr. Christina Mack, epidemiologist and and chief scientific officer at IQVIA Injury Surveillance & Analytics, which produced the report, was careful to point out that the report does not say that load management doesn't work, either. "We're not saying it's better or worse," Mack said. Christina Mack博士是IQVIA傷害監測與分析部門的流行病學家兼首席科學官,該部門製作 了這份報告。她小心翼翼地指出,報告並未表示負載管理無效。 「我們並不是說這是好還是壞,」Mack表示。 The 57-page report was sent to NBA teams earlier this week -- at the behest of the NBA's competition committee -- to see if there was any relationship between: ‧ frequency of game participation and injury ‧ schedule density and injury ‧ cumulative NBA participation and injury The report concluded that there was not. 這份長達57頁的報告是在本週初應NBA競爭委員會的要求下發送給NBA球隊的,以探討以下 三者之間是否存在關係: -參與比賽的頻率和受傷之間的關係 -賽程密度和受傷之間的關係 -累計NBA參與和受傷之間的關係 報告的結論指出這三者之間並無相關性。 "Results from these analyses do not suggest that missing games for rest or load management -- or having longer breaks between game participation -- reduces future in-season injury risk," the report said, in bold type, in its summary. "In addition, injury rates were not found to be higher during or immediately following periods of a dense schedule." The report said that remained true even when factoring in things like player age, minutes played and injury history. 「這些分析的結果並未顯示,因休息或負載管理而缺席比賽,或者在參與比賽之間有更長 的休息時間,會減少未來球季內的受傷風險,」報告在摘要中以粗體字表示。 「此外,並未發現在賽程密集期間或立即在賽程密集時期後,受傷頻率較高。」 報告指出,即使考慮到球員年齡、出場時間和傷病歷史等因素,這一結論仍然成立。 The report based its findings off a 10-year sample -- from the 2013-14 season through 2022-23 -- using leaguewide data and focusing on a group of 150 "starter-level players" each season. Those players were All-Stars from the past three seasons, top 10 picks in that season's draft and the remaining players with the most total minutes played in the prior season who don't fit into either of the previous two groups The report also focused on players missing a single game, rather than multiple games in a row, and was split into players sitting specifically for rest, as well as games in which a player missed time for rest or injury. 這份報告基於一個為期10年的樣本,從2013-14賽季到2022-23賽季,使用全聯盟數據,並 聚焦於每個賽季的一組150名「先發水準球員」。這些球員包括過去三個賽季的全明星球 員、當季選秀的前10名球員,以及不在上述任何一組但上一賽季總上場時間最多的其餘球 員。 報告還聚焦於缺席單場比賽的球員,而非連續缺席多場比賽,並將球員分為針對性休息的 情況,以及球員因受傷或為傷病休息而缺席比賽的情況。 Although the report said there were a variety of factors that limited the scope of the findings -- the inability to examine trends from outside the 10-year window of data, and the different ways individual teams handle this topic -- it repeatedly stressed that there was no correlation between load management and ensuring players will be on the court more regularly. While single-game absences for starter-level players skyrocketed over the past decade -- from a combined 169 among starter-level players in 2014-15 to 380 in 2022-23 -- the number of regular-season injuries among starter-level players also reached a 10-season high this past season. 儘管報告指出有多種因素限制了研究結果的範圍——例如無法檢視超出10年數據期間之外 的趨勢,以及各個球隊以不同方式處理這個問題的差異——但報告反復強調,負載管理和 確保球員更加規律上場之間不存在相關性。 儘管在過去的十年中,先發水準球員單場缺席的次數急劇增加——從2014-15賽季首發水 準球員中總共169次,增加到2022-23賽季的380次——在上一賽季,先發水準球員的例行賽 受傷次數也達到了10個賽季的最高單季總和。 Early in the report, it explained why it was commissioned this summer: the ongoing discussion about star players missing games. In the 1980s, star players -- a group defined by the report as players who were either All-Star or All-NBA selections in the current season or the prior two -- missed an average of 10.4 games per season, a number that was 10.6 games in the 1990s. But that number jumped from 13.9 games in the 2000s to 17.5 games in the 2010s and 23.9 games in this decade. 在報告的前段,它解釋了為什麼在今年夏天委託進行這項研究:即有關明星球員缺席比賽 的討論。 在1980年代,明星球員——該報告定義為在當前賽季或前兩個賽季中被選為全明星或全 NBA的球員——每賽季平均缺席10.4場比賽,而在1990年代這個數字為10.6場。 但這個數字從2000年代的13.9場急劇增加到2010年代的17.5場,並在這個十年達到23.9場 。 NBA senior vice president of player matters Dave Weiss, asked if that dramatic increase in missed games over the past 20 years could be attributed to load management, said much of it was because of injury, but that single-game absences for players had increased by about five times over that span. "Clearly, that's happening more than at just the rate of injuries," Weiss said. The report's findings -- establishing that load managing players does not definitively lead to them being healthier -- was in line with what Dumars said back in October. NBA球員事務資深副總裁Dave Weiss在被問及過去20年間缺席比賽次數的急劇增加是否可 以歸因於負載管理時表示,其中大部分是由於受傷,但球員單場缺席的次數在這段時間內 增加了約五倍。 「顯然,這比傷病發生的速率更為頻繁,」Weiss說。 報告的結果——即對球員進行負載管理不能確定地使他們更健康——與Dumars在十月份所 言一致。 At last month's in-season tournament, Silver reiterated the stance that there's no data-driven proof that the concept of load management keeps players healthy. He called the science and medical data "mixed." "The question is I think the ultimate question behind load management isn't so much that there isn't a fall-off from performance when you are tired and fatigued," he said. "The question is, does that lead to more injuries?" That was in direct contrast to Silver's comments last February, when he said, "The suggestion, I think, that these men, in the case in the NBA, somehow should just be out there more for its own sake, I don't buy into." 上個月的季中錦標賽中,Silver重申了這一立場,即沒有數據證明負擔管理的概念能夠保 持球員的健康。他稱這方面的科學和醫學數據為「錯雜的」。 「我認為負載管理背後的最終問題並不是在你感到疲憊的時候表現會下降多少,」他說。 「問題是,這是否會導致更多的受傷?」 這與Silver去年二月的發言形成鮮明對比,當時他表示:「我不同意這種看法,即這些人 ,在NBA的情況下,應該僅僅是為了自己而在場上待更長時間。」 Weiss said that change in tone was a function of the league deciding it was necessary to study the data. "We accepted that conventional wisdom and some of the information that teams had shared with us over years, which included some data but never nearly as robust as what we've now shared back," Weiss said. "And it hit a point where we said, 'You know, we have been looking at this for years and we are not seeing this effect, and so we think we need to get more formal and structured in terms of how we're analyzing this and sharing it out with teams.' And that's really kind of what led to this." Weiss表示,這種態度轉變是聯盟認為有必要對數據進行研究的結果。 「我們接受了多年來球隊向我們分享的一些常規智慧和信息,其中包括一些數據,但從未 像我們現在分享的這麼全面,」Weiss說。「我們到達了這樣一個點,我們認為多年來一直 在研究這個問題,我們沒有看到這種效果,所以我們認為我們需要在如何分析這個問題並 將其與球隊資訊分享方面變得更加正式和結構化。這實際上就是這個研究的動因。」 (節錄自:https://reurl.cc/13eEmY) 作者:David Aldridge The league pointed out that the report has limitations: ‧ It only covers regular-season games. ‧ It doesn’t account for players coming from the offseason and ramping up for play before the start of a regular season. ‧ It does not determine how much the fatigue of playing more minutes or games impacts players’ mental health, a major area of increased concern and care by the league in recent years. ‧ It does not account for individual intensity of play (how much does one player pace himself during a season, compared with another?) ‧ In addition, players over 35, who are eligible for exemptions from the PPP, are such a relatively small sample group that more data may be needed to see if they’re impacted differently. 聯盟也指出了這份報告的限制: -這只包含了例行賽 -這並不考慮球員剛從休賽季回來例行賽提升狀態的過程 -這並沒有測量打更多時間與比賽的疲勞對於球員的心理健康是否有影響,這也是近年被聯 盟逐漸增加關注的一個主要領域。 -這並不考慮個別球員打球的張力(一名球員在賽季中如何調節自己的比賽強度,與另一名 球員相比如何?) -另外,超過35歲的球員(也是球員出席政策的特例群體)樣本數相對較小所以需要更多數據 來觀察是否有不同的影響 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 98.217.185.18 (美國) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1705186278.A.1FB.html ※ 編輯: EZ78 (98.217.185.18 美國), 01/14/2024 06:51:46

01/14 06:53, 4月前 , 1F
但b2b比賽多風險就變很高
01/14 06:53, 1F

01/14 06:54, 4月前 , 2F
並沒有 研究就是說沒有相關性
01/14 06:54, 2F

01/14 06:55, 4月前 , 3F
我比較困惑的是 既然沒證據顯示沒幫助 那也不應該
01/14 06:55, 3F

01/14 06:55, 4月前 , 4F
禁止輪休= =
01/14 06:55, 4F

01/14 06:55, 4月前 , 5F
很好奇一樓是如何以除了情感外的因素得到結論的
01/14 06:55, 5F

01/14 07:01, 4月前 , 6F
輪休對票房有負面影響 輪休和是否受傷沒有相關性
01/14 07:01, 6F

01/14 07:01, 4月前 , 7F
禁止輪休主要是為了票房吧
01/14 07:01, 7F

01/14 07:01, 4月前 , 8F
單純比賽可能真不是直接因素 個人先天素質 訓練模
01/14 07:01, 8F

01/14 07:01, 4月前 , 9F
式可能還比較有關
01/14 07:01, 9F

01/14 07:02, 4月前 , 10F
兩者放一起 得到禁止輪休的結論不意外吧
01/14 07:02, 10F

01/14 07:02, 4月前 , 11F
沒幫助那當然聯盟要你出賽啊== 亮相給觀眾看
01/14 07:02, 11F

01/14 07:03, 4月前 , 12F
確實 感覺這決定商業面的考量應該大於醫療面
01/14 07:03, 12F

01/14 07:04, 4月前 , 13F
多少海外球迷一輩子去不了幾次 然後去了球員輪休==
01/14 07:04, 13F

01/14 07:06, 4月前 , 14F
中職再度領先 越投越帶勁
01/14 07:06, 14F

01/14 07:07, 4月前 , 15F
我是想知道球員跳的高度 是否和受傷頻率有相關性
01/14 07:07, 15F

01/14 07:08, 4月前 , 16F
可以說這份研究只是解開了部分迷霧 並沒有具體結論
01/14 07:08, 16F

01/14 07:09, 4月前 , 17F
現在真的很少球星打滿82場 看紅色光頭生涯一排82
01/14 07:09, 17F

01/14 07:09, 4月前 , 18F
滿敬佩的
01/14 07:09, 18F

01/14 07:10, 4月前 , 19F
TA那篇報導中,有明確把環境限制條件寫出來
01/14 07:10, 19F
我來節錄一下Aldridge的文好了

01/14 07:11, 4月前 , 20F
喬丹中後期裁判有特別保護他
01/14 07:11, 20F

01/14 07:12, 4月前 , 21F
但對球員心理健康有幫助
01/14 07:12, 21F

01/14 07:12, 4月前 , 22F
而且喬丹算是蠻自律的球員
01/14 07:12, 22F
※ 編輯: EZ78 (98.217.185.18 美國), 01/14/2024 07:14:06 ※ 編輯: EZ78 (98.217.185.18 美國), 01/14/2024 07:20:54

01/14 07:14, 4月前 , 23F
我懂了 所以應該要天天上場 雙贏!
01/14 07:14, 23F

01/14 07:17, 4月前 , 24F
就變數太多很難控 老錫有抱怨過輿論只看場上操球員
01/14 07:17, 24F

01/14 07:18, 4月前 , 25F
但都沒有意識到場下(他)對球員訓練的調控配套
01/14 07:18, 25F

01/14 07:19, 4月前 , 26F
現在的哨音尺度應該也算滿保護球員了
01/14 07:19, 26F
※ 編輯: EZ78 (98.217.185.18 美國), 01/14/2024 07:22:18

01/14 07:24, 4月前 , 27F
殺豬公戰法 操就對了
01/14 07:24, 27F

01/14 07:28, 4月前 , 28F
報告也指出近年缺賽率高,這之中是真的因傷缺賽的
01/14 07:28, 28F

01/14 07:28, 4月前 , 29F
是否也是相對增加的
01/14 07:28, 29F

01/14 07:31, 4月前 , 30F
是 近幾年職業球員(而且不只籃球)傷病都有大量爆增
01/14 07:31, 30F

01/14 07:31, 4月前 , 31F
的趨勢 這是一個很多人都在研究的主題
01/14 07:31, 31F

01/14 07:31, 4月前 , 32F
強度有差
01/14 07:31, 32F

01/14 07:31, 4月前 , 33F
沒受傷風險 當然就是要盡量出賽
01/14 07:31, 33F

01/14 07:32, 4月前 , 34F
減少b2b場次就好惹
01/14 07:32, 34F

01/14 07:33, 4月前 , 35F
其實就跟棒球投手近年來動刀率越來越高一樣
01/14 07:33, 35F

01/14 07:33, 4月前 , 36F
只是NBA這份報告是聚焦在輪休上而已 傷病變多算是
01/14 07:33, 36F
還有 135 則推文
01/14 10:11, 4月前 , 172F
這篇報告研究出賽程密集與受傷無關
01/14 10:11, 172F

01/14 10:11, 4月前 , 173F
就說體質變因影響實驗內容 這也不懂
01/14 10:11, 173F

01/14 10:11, 4月前 , 174F
那球員受傷增加的原因?只是單純最近十年球員比較
01/14 10:11, 174F

01/14 10:11, 4月前 , 175F
玻璃?
01/14 10:11, 175F

01/14 10:12, 4月前 , 176F
聯盟要做的本來就是根據科學跟統計推論 訂整體規則
01/14 10:12, 176F

01/14 10:12, 4月前 , 177F
真是選擇性去看文字耶 別反科學反的這麼噁心
01/14 10:12, 177F

01/14 10:12, 4月前 , 178F
但現實世界你也不可能控制球員體質 在這前提下輪休
01/14 10:12, 178F

01/14 10:12, 4月前 , 179F
就沒影響啊==
01/14 10:12, 179F

01/14 10:13, 4月前 , 180F
你說現實上不行 所以就別用這種觀察性實驗當報告阿
01/14 10:13, 180F

01/14 10:13, 4月前 , 181F
老是講個別球員狀況要怎麼訂定全部人都要守的規則?
01/14 10:13, 181F

01/14 10:13, 4月前 , 182F
你都知道有更大的變因去除不掉 你還拿這報告給球團
01/14 10:13, 182F

01/14 10:14, 4月前 , 183F
這不是拿鬼抓藥
01/14 10:14, 183F

01/14 10:15, 4月前 , 184F
在各種變因下 輪休當然就變得相對不顯著
01/14 10:15, 184F

01/14 10:16, 4月前 , 185F
所以聯盟的確有立場限制輪休
01/14 10:16, 185F

01/14 10:17, 4月前 , 186F
這發言是兩邊都沒說死吧,就證據不足
01/14 10:17, 186F

01/14 10:20, 4月前 , 187F
球員4節全都打好打滿吧
01/14 10:20, 187F

01/14 10:20, 4月前 , 188F
就證據不足又不是下結論說輪休有用沒用
01/14 10:20, 188F

01/14 10:21, 4月前 , 189F
報告也說考慮傷病歷史了
01/14 10:21, 189F

01/14 10:21, 4月前 , 190F
他們就很奇怪啊 為啥不去思考例如因為比賽節奏的
01/14 10:21, 190F

01/14 10:21, 4月前 , 191F
變化
01/14 10:21, 191F

01/14 10:22, 4月前 , 192F
或是其它什麼原因導致傷病增加
01/14 10:22, 192F

01/14 10:23, 4月前 , 193F
話說光是背靠背 是否會影響球員比賽表現這點
01/14 10:23, 193F

01/14 10:24, 4月前 , 194F
對玻璃體質或是大傷剛回來的球員來說 還是有點幫助
01/14 10:24, 194F

01/14 10:24, 4月前 , 195F
就可以去做判斷的吧 你總是能透過背靠背的例子去看
01/14 10:24, 195F

01/14 10:24, 4月前 , 196F
密集出賽是否會影響運動員表現吧
01/14 10:24, 196F

01/14 10:44, 4月前 , 197F
很多球員受傷都只是運氣不好 或是遇到爛人
01/14 10:44, 197F

01/14 11:08, 4月前 , 198F
碰到格鬥還是整骨師傅 你休多久都沒用
01/14 11:08, 198F

01/14 11:23, 4月前 , 199F
結果咖喱跟老詹今天都輪休XD
01/14 11:23, 199F

01/14 11:24, 4月前 , 200F
過度疲勞容易受傷,不早就是共識了?
01/14 11:24, 200F

01/14 11:31, 4月前 , 201F
可以發表論文了…
01/14 11:31, 201F

01/14 11:33, 4月前 , 202F
禁止輪休是觀眾權益吧 又不是單純受傷問題
01/14 11:33, 202F

01/14 12:00, 4月前 , 203F
好科學喔,現在吹一堆運科,球員到底有因為運科而更
01/14 12:00, 203F

01/14 12:00, 4月前 , 204F
健康更耐操嗎?怎麼老人殺豬公的訓練,反而一堆都可
01/14 12:00, 204F

01/14 12:00, 4月前 , 205F
以打滿整季的?
01/14 12:00, 205F

01/14 12:03, 4月前 , 206F
每天都在運科,科到球員變玻璃人。有一種運動項目很
01/14 12:03, 206F

01/14 12:03, 4月前 , 207F
運科啦,運科到每個參與者都是有名的玻璃人,那項運
01/14 12:03, 207F

01/14 12:03, 4月前 , 208F
動叫做健美。
01/14 12:03, 208F

01/14 14:44, 4月前 , 209F
介於有用或沒用之間 叫你寫報告不是叫你談玄學欸
01/14 14:44, 209F

01/14 18:03, 4月前 , 210F
我覺得大家都忽視球員可能習慣不好這件事
01/14 18:03, 210F

01/14 19:33, 4月前 , 211F
好的繼續操
01/14 19:33, 211F
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