[外絮] LBJ打C? 湖人可能有所作為

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https://www.si.com/nba/2021/12/29/lebron-james-los-angeles-lakers-plays-center LeBron at Center? Lakers Might Be On to Something LBJ打中鋒? 湖人可能有點作為 作者:ROHAN NADKARNI Los Angeles experimented with James at center in its win against the Rockets. Is this the best path forward? 湖人在打贏火箭的比賽讓LBJ扛C ,這是正確的方向? Necessity is the mother of all lineup changes. In the midst of a five-game losing streak, an injury to Anthony Davis and ineffective play from veteran bigs DeAndre Jordan and Dwight Howard, the Lakers started LeBron James at center on Tuesday night. The result? A 32-11-11 triple double for LeBron, a much-needed win for the Lakers and perhaps most importantly, a few positive signs in the shot diet of James. 因為5連敗、AD受傷 兩位中鋒無所發揮的情況,LBJ作為中鋒於週二出賽,結果如何? 32-11-11 大三元摘下湖人急需的勝利。更重要的是LBJ在出手選擇上更為積極 。 A brief look at LeBron’s counting stats this season wouldn’t raise any eyebrows. Despite all of the struggles for the Lakers, James’s basic box score is very LeBronian. For the season, James is averaging 27.6 points, 7.0 rebounds, and 6.7 assists a night. His points per game would actually be his highest since his final year in Miami, though LeBron is getting a little boost in that department by playing his most minutes a night in a Los Angeles uniform. Peek a little closer at the numbers and you’ll see James is shooting 7.5 threes per game, while his free-throw attempts have dipped to a would-be career low of 5.4. LBJ目前的數據不會引起什麼特別的關注,儘管湖人表現掙扎,但LBJ依舊還是那個LBJ ,場均27.6 /6.7/7 這是他離開邁阿密後的最高得分(翻譯此篇時得分已經被推高為28.5 ) 雖然增加出場時間也是原因之一(比去年多打3.5分鐘) 但如果你仔細看,他每場投7.5個三分(翻譯時為7.9)而罰球數量也降低 One of the more interesting long-term developments of James’s career has been his embrace of the three. Remember, this was someone who in his first Finals was basically being dared to shoot by the Spurs. (A Finals that now took place nearly a decade and a half ago, but still.) The book on James was always to concede jumpers, except now at 37-years-old, he’s much more effective at making defenses pay with his shot. But are those threes worth it if they come at the expense of James shooting at the rim? 在LBJ的生涯中有趣的一點是他對三分球的掌握。讓我們回憶一下他的第一個總冠(被馬刺守死 https://vault.si.com/vault/2007/06/18/taking-care-of-business) 而且他提到LBJ的文章也強調他要提升自己的投射,除了他已經37歲,他現在的武器能更好的讓防守者付出代價,但考慮到犧牲他強勢的籃下進攻,這些三分是否值得? According to NBA.com’s shot tracking data, LeBron is shooting only 40.2% of his field goal attempts within 10 feet this season. That’s the lowest frequency recorded by the data, which goes back to 2014. Through 2020, that number was almost always at, near or above 50%, a testament to James’s ability and will to get into the paint or within a CDC-discouraged distance of the rim. 根據NBA.com的數據,LBJ在10呎的投射命中率只有40%,是他在14年後的最低命中,而在2020年 他的命中則保持接近50%。 James is currently shooting well enough from beyond the arc that his 58.6% effective field goal percentage is his highest mark as a Laker. (Of all players launching at least 10 shots a night, LeBron is 11th in EFG%.) But James routinely used to be in the 60s in effective shooting, including his last two years in Cleveland as well as his final year in Miami. And that’s where his playing at center, which has already been beneficial for the Lakers, could get LeBron some even easier looks moving forward. 而LBJ的投射有效命中率EFG%則有58.6% 是湖人最好的。(在所有NBA每場出手10次以上的球員排11 ,譯者翻譯時已上升到6)這就是他在中鋒時的進攻表現,這對湖人更有利,可以讓LBJ打的更輕鬆。 LeBron performs really well when asked to function as a big. According to NBA.com, James generates 1.57 points per possession when acting as the roll man in a pick-and-roll, but it’s a play he runs only 2.4% of the time on offense. (Against Houston, there were two instances in the final two minutes when James set a screen for Westbrook and then rolled to the hoop for an easy dunk.) Meanwhile, James also produces 1.09 points per possession when he posts up, a figure higher than the likes of Joel Embiid and Kevin Durant, or even his teammate Anthony Davis. But James often doesn’t have the room to operate on the block with other bigs on the floor. Against the Rockets, there were multiple instances of LeBron either catching the ball on the block with the rest of the Lakers around the perimeter, or him being able to seal his man and call for the ball literally in the middle of the paint. 被要求打C的時候,LBJ打的更好更輕鬆。在每次發起擋拆時可以得到1.57分,但在進攻端他只有2.4%的時間需要跑動,而同時他在擋拆後籃下得分也來到1.09,高於死神KD跟鉛筆Embiid甚至是他的隊友AD(我查了一下 是「這2年的AD」) 後面那段我看不懂,我的理解是雖然因為火鍋或大個子的封鎖,他沒有太多操作空間。他常常在禁區接球後,而他的隊友在外圍等待出手機會。而他能突破封鎖或是傳球出去放找空檔冷箭。 * 搭配前後文 ,我的理解是湖人讓LBJ從禁區接球發起進攻,遠比禁區屯一堆肉棒來的好發揮,他可以在肘區選擇進攻、幫西河掩護、為其他射手製造機會。然後LBJ減少大量跑動,減少體力消耗。這某方面是一種逆點名的打法,只要對位沒辦法1:1守住LBJ就會製造更多的包夾,這也意味夠多的空檔。跟LBJ在騎士從外圍跑動點名是完全不同的打法。 這操作有夠潮,一獸四射的進化版。 * 而這操作可以幫助進攻排名25的湖人在進攻端更加輕鬆。 The Lakers as a whole are so much more aesthetically pleasing to watch when the offense isn’t cramped, and the numbers bear it out. When LeBron and Russ are on the floor, they have a 97.8 offensive rating (yuck) when paired with Jordan, a 107.1 offensive rating when paired with Howard, but a 113.9 mark when none of Jordan, Howard or Davis are on the floor—or the equivalent of this season’s second-best offense in the league. 當空間不在侷促的時候,湖人的進攻美學開始體現,而數據證明了這一點。LBJ與西河皆在場,若場上還有DAJ他們的進攻消率是可撥的97、如果換成魔獸也只有107 但他們的三個大個都不在場時,湖人的進攻效率高達113.9 AKA 聯盟第二好的進攻水準 。 後面就是講這是因為AD不在時沒有辦法的辦法 但看起來AD回來之後很可能在進攻時這種打法,今年的AD在45度接球實在有夠雷,但在防守端AD還是可以提供幫助 簡單說湖人的小球跟普通人的小球不太一樣 。 反而可以保護LBJ而不是的巨量消耗他 所以防守端LBJ放棄一些、減少碰撞應該是球隊共識。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 42.72.66.143 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1641265727.A.ABD.html

01/04 11:09, 2年前 , 1F
操死老漢
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01/04 11:11, 2年前 , 2F
進攻美學...
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01/04 11:11, 2年前 , 3F
字母哥也只有在關鍵時刻才打C現在要這樣操37歲老漢
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01/04 11:11, 2年前 , 4F
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01/04 11:11, 2年前 , 5F
我疼千古奇冤
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01/04 11:11, 2年前 , 6F
保護老漢X,數據刷更漂亮O
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01/04 11:12, 2年前 , 7F
反正這是湖人跟老詹的選擇.....
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01/04 11:12, 2年前 , 8F
西區季後賽+附加賽球隊很多禁區很硬的
01/04 11:12, 8F

01/04 11:12, 2年前 , 9F
防守端放棄一些就是場場30+輸球 砍30吐25
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01/04 11:12, 2年前 , 10F
LBJ轉控場不是更好…… 場場C以為能把把carry嗎
01/04 11:12, 10F

01/04 11:12, 2年前 , 11F
想起龜龜在火箭的終極五小
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01/04 11:13, 2年前 , 12F
湖人去打D還比較快. 這季可以回家了
01/04 11:13, 12F

01/04 11:13, 2年前 , 13F
現在就是撐到AD回來啊
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01/04 11:13, 2年前 , 14F
也就是AD回來後 LBJ在進攻端打C 防守端的C位交給AD
01/04 11:13, 14F

01/04 11:13, 2年前 , 15F
就是不進禁區的C
01/04 11:13, 15F

01/04 11:13, 2年前 , 16F
或其它人
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01/04 11:13, 2年前 , 17F
誰叫有一個控衛破壞進攻空間 根本上不了中鋒
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01/04 11:14, 2年前 , 18F
進攻美學(x 操死老漢(o
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01/04 11:14, 2年前 , 19F
減少跑動 但禁區肉搏衝撞有比較好嗎??
01/04 11:14, 19F

01/04 11:14, 2年前 , 20F
原文也提到對金塊、爵士、76應該不會這樣打
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01/04 11:14, 2年前 , 21F
為了空間犧牲防守 有個傢伙需要改變
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01/04 11:15, 2年前 , 22F
這樣打當然ok,但哪個人會讓37歲老漢這樣打39分鐘
01/04 11:15, 22F

01/04 11:15, 2年前 , 23F
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01/04 11:15, 2年前 , 24F
幫你畫重點「防守端減少RMBJ消耗是球隊共識」 散步
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01/04 11:15, 2年前 , 25F
沒有錯!!!
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01/04 11:15, 2年前 , 26F
但也可以想到對上這陣容的湖人 對面中鋒都會升級成M
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01/04 11:15, 2年前 , 27F
VP等級
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01/04 11:16, 2年前 , 28F
還有那個龜陣容,居然寧願上THT瓜中鋒,也不願意把
01/04 11:16, 28F

01/04 11:16, 2年前 , 29F
THT換DH
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01/04 11:16, 2年前 , 30F
明知道禁區碰撞加速損耗 也在所不惜嗎……
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01/04 11:16, 2年前 , 31F
不然要輸球嗎
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01/04 11:16, 2年前 , 32F
是減少跑動的同時也減少碰撞
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01/04 11:16, 2年前 , 33F
但看比賽只有更累 沒有更輕鬆 這是只看BOX?
01/04 11:16, 33F

01/04 11:16, 2年前 , 34F
有那個瓜中鋒陣容,讓人感覺根本不是這些理論。就
01/04 11:16, 34F

01/04 11:16, 2年前 , 35F
單純只想為龜拉空間
01/04 11:16, 35F

01/04 11:17, 2年前 , 36F
可以參考湖狼的比賽
01/04 11:17, 36F

01/04 11:17, 2年前 , 37F
現在的中鋒跑動也不會少太多 一堆能長距離投射的
01/04 11:17, 37F

01/04 11:17, 2年前 , 38F
不是有簽魔獸和喬丹 幹嘛要lbj打c 笑翻
01/04 11:17, 38F

01/04 11:17, 2年前 , 39F
總覺得這樣的上場時間 遲早會出事……
01/04 11:17, 39F
還有 159 則推文
01/04 11:54, 2年前 , 199F
現在是LBJ休息的時候 也沒上正規C而是讓瓜哥 SJ去扛
01/04 11:54, 199F

01/04 11:54, 2年前 , 200F
灰狼那場進攻籃板多搶快20個 不是灰狼鐵 湖人早就
01/04 11:54, 200F

01/04 11:54, 2年前 , 201F
輸了
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01/04 11:55, 2年前 , 202F
但是AD不在 小球C在LBJ不在場的時候還需要用嗎
01/04 11:55, 202F

01/04 11:56, 2年前 , 203F
姆斯這麼會組團吸% 打C很適合阿
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01/04 12:01, 2年前 , 204F
跟孟克真的不錯
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01/04 12:07, 2年前 , 205F
第一手天元姆斯的概念
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01/04 12:07, 2年前 , 206F
打的隊伍的陣容列出來就知道怎麼拿高分了啊
01/04 12:07, 206F

01/04 12:09, 2年前 , 207F
我疼:並沒有
01/04 12:09, 207F

01/04 12:13, 2年前 , 208F
其實我覺得就有點像三角進攻+高位掩護混合體
01/04 12:13, 208F

01/04 12:14, 2年前 , 209F
但喪失了護框的確有點傷
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01/04 12:15, 2年前 , 210F
護框等AD不用急吧
01/04 12:15, 210F

01/04 12:16, 2年前 , 211F
魔法又在廁所蹦蹦跳惹,本篇文fg%/efg%/offR/defR全
01/04 12:16, 211F

01/04 12:16, 2年前 , 212F
給了,你還在對方陣容跳針,眼睛裝一下看全文啦,丟
01/04 12:16, 212F

01/04 12:16, 2年前 , 213F
臉嘻
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01/04 12:17, 2年前 , 214F
沒有一個足夠快又有射程的STRETCH4or5 缺點偏大
01/04 12:17, 214F

01/04 12:17, 2年前 , 215F
搞不好真的會考慮BOSH XDD
01/04 12:17, 215F

01/04 12:22, 2年前 , 216F
拿AD 去交易吧,換個能上場的
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01/04 12:25, 2年前 , 217F
不進禁區的C跟不投籃的西門感覺好像很像…
01/04 12:25, 217F

01/04 12:26, 2年前 , 218F
問題是季後賽球隊中鋒應該8成都能幹爆姆斯C
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01/04 12:36, 2年前 , 219F
不用杞人憂天啦 湖人還要先打進季後賽才需要苦惱
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01/04 12:38, 2年前 , 220F
哇靠 這C會切入阿
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01/04 12:38, 2年前 , 221F
活到老 操到老QQ
01/04 12:38, 221F

01/04 12:39, 2年前 , 222F
不然要給誰C?
01/04 12:39, 222F

01/04 12:41, 2年前 , 223F
因為有個不會打擋拆的控衛阿
01/04 12:41, 223F

01/04 12:51, 2年前 , 224F
LUE:我是讓老漢先習慣季後賽
01/04 12:51, 224F

01/04 12:59, 2年前 , 225F
湖人的想法消耗LBJ能拼冠也在所不惜!?
01/04 12:59, 225F

01/04 13:10, 2年前 , 226F
他真的很累
01/04 13:10, 226F

01/04 13:51, 2年前 , 227F
重點他37歲餒 不是27耶
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01/04 15:32, 2年前 , 228F
叫龜龜去抗C算了...
01/04 15:32, 228F

01/04 17:04, 2年前 , 229F
我疼:你以為是為了配合龜才叫LBJ打C嗎,並不是好嗎
01/04 17:04, 229F

01/04 19:14, 2年前 , 230F
防守怎麼不講?
01/04 19:14, 230F

01/04 19:49, 2年前 , 231F
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01/04 20:37, 2年前 , 232F
以他的年紀應該要養老...好硬
01/04 20:37, 232F

01/04 22:15, 2年前 , 233F
可是季後賽球隊通常內線不差耶,這招在季後賽會有
01/04 22:15, 233F

01/04 22:15, 2年前 , 234F
用嗎
01/04 22:15, 234F

01/04 23:29, 2年前 , 235F
上面的人是當AD整季報銷了嗎?
01/04 23:29, 235F

01/04 23:33, 2年前 , 236F
我怎麼覺得有點像勇士的那套改良
01/04 23:33, 236F

01/04 23:33, 2年前 , 237F
不過射手就是他自己,LBJ表示難過
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01/05 02:59, 2年前 , 238F
真的從1號打到5號
01/05 02:59, 238F
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