[外絮] 太陽老闆被指控（2）

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https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32440987/phoenix-suns-robert-sarver-allegations-racism-misogyny 太陽老闆被指控（二） 續 NBPA executive director Michele Roberts said she was not aware of any reports from players of misconduct by Sarver or the Suns. "Apart from [point guard Chris Paul] and James Jones, we have not had much official contact with the team and none that I can think of with Sarver." Current and former Suns employees told ESPN that Sarver is known to say he is "brutal to work for," a line he has repeated over the years, even in job interviews. Sarver has told executives they were "paid a lot of money to put up with my s---." "If the commissioner comes in and investigates to see what the f--- is going on in Phoenix," one current business operations employee told ESPN, "[he] would be appalled." NBPA的M Roberts說他們也沒收到相關指控，他與除了CP3(前會長）與JJ以外的太陽隊成員並沒有太多接觸- 我想他也不會與沙佛有太多接觸。 多位前任與現任成員都說，「我對你們很嚴厲（可以理解為壓榨）」是殺佛的口頭禪，他認為他付錢給員工就是找他們來當____的 如果有專員到太陽隊調查整件事情，他會震驚的 ，一位現任太陽營運成員說。 THERE WERE WARNING signs from the beginning. The Suns were coming off a 29-53 season in 2004, and an early major decision for Sarver centered on signing the team's top free agent that summer, Steve Nash. A recruiting pitch was set for the start of free agency. Among Sarver and others, attendees included Nash's agent Bill Duffy and 2003 Rookie of the Year Amar'e Stoudemire, both of whom are Black. Three people in the room told ESPN that, during the meeting, Sarver made a comment they felt was racially insensitive; they could not recall specifics but said they felt he too loosely used the term "Black guy" during the conversation. 警訊從（沙佛入主）一開始就顯現了 04年只拿29勝的太陽，在沙佛入主的第一個重大決定就是引進Nash 與會者包含了Nash的經紀人與阿罵（Stoudemire），他們認為在那次會議中，沙佛提到有色人種時顯得不夠「敏感」 - 他提到黑人時的態度過於輕佻。 Ultimately, the Suns got their target, but "we signed Steve Nash despite Robert," said a basketball executive who was there. 最終太陽還是簽下了Nash ,儘管有沙佛在場。 一位參與其中的高管說 （其實我不懂是什麼意思 ， 是指沙佛一直幫倒忙？） Sarver's lawyers told ESPN the anecdote was too vague and happened too long ago to address specifically, but they did note that nothing racially inappropriate was said and that 73% of NBA players in 2004 were Black. "Thus, those conversations certainly would have referenced Black men." Sarver, they said, was "integral" to signing Nash. It was one of the first instances in which Sarver's conduct raised questions among employees. 沙佛的律師說，當年2004NBA 已經有73%的黑人,所以談話中不可能不提到黑人，而沙佛對於簽下Nash有無可替代的作用 At least a half-dozen Suns staffers recounted to ESPN instances of Sarver hearing a story from a Black player and then using the same language when retelling it, down to the usage of the N-word. "You're like, 'Whoa! Robert, you can't do that,'" said one former basketball executive. Another former Suns head coach said such instances were commonplace. A Black basketball operations staffer told ESPN he has heard Sarver say the N-word multiple times. Sarver once used the N-word when trying to explain to a staffer why he preferred hiring Lindsey Hunter over Dan Majerle as head coach in 2013, according to a high-level executive who heard the remark. Hunter was a first-year Suns player development coordinator while Majerle was in his fifth year as a Suns associate head coach. "These [N-words] need a [N-word]," Sarver told the staffer of his largely Black team, according to the executive. Sarver again cited race as the reason the team needed to hire Watson as head coach in 2016, a former Suns basketball executive said: A young Black coach could better relate to Black players, Sarver reasoned, and could "speak their language." Through legal representation, Sarver denied the allegation about Hunter, saying he never used the N-word and "never used words to that effect," and said race was never discussed during Watson's hiring process. 多位球員與太陽的前員工，都提到沙佛在敘述他從黑人球員身上聽來的故事，會一字不漏的複敘，包含N -word 他們都會告訴沙佛你不能這樣說 而看起來沙佛相當不以為然 且沙佛的律師否認了所有指證，並且說明他在招募Waston的時候並沒有考慮到種族問題 Before the 2017-18 season, a tense front-office situation provided another glimpse into interactions with Sarver employees felt were racially insensitive. Late in the previous season, point guard Eric Bledsoe had been benched in a tanking effort led by Sarver, former basketball operations staffers said. Issues with the benching percolated into the offseason, when Bledsoe was eligible for a contract extension. 17-18年的時候，人們又再次見到沙佛與員工對種族議題的「不敏感」 當時在沙佛主導的情況，讓Bledsoe從板凳出發。而當雷獸需要續約時，板凳/先發的問題被延續到了休賽季。 Contract talks eventually led Bledsoe's Klutch Sports agent, Rich Paul, to communicate directly with Sarver -- the Suns owner didn't want to extend Bledsoe's contract in part due to concerns about Bledsoe's durability, plus concerns that the team had performed poorly with him as the starting point guard, according to sources at the time. Paul responded to Sarver's remarks by saying that he knew basketball and that they "weren't talking about tennis," Sarver's childhood sport. Sarver erupted at the dig, according to two people with knowledge of the interaction, telling Paul he was going to fire Watson as the team's head coach if Watson didn't sever ties with Klutch, which had been representing Watson, within 10 days - just after the start of the season. Watson said that Sarver's ultimatum quickly reached him. He asked Sarver if he was serious. "Yeah, I will f---ing fire you," Sarver told Watson. "You have 10 days to think about it. Don't wait too long." Watson said he explained to Sarver the optics of a white owner asking a Black coach to fire an agency led by a Black agent, Paul. "Yeah, I understand what race you two are," Sarver replied, according to Watson. "So I'm asking you, How bad do you want your job?" Watson said he told Sarver that he wasn't going to fire Klutch. "You can do whatever you want," Watson said he told Sarver. "You own this team, but my culture is not for sale. And I'm not for sale." Through legal representation, Sarver said his issue with Klutch was solely due to a conflict of interest -- that a coach and a player could not be represented by the same agent. Sarver denied that the conversation had anything to do with race. Watson, when told of Sarver's response, said: "Rich [Paul] was never my agent." Watson was represented by Klutch Sports, which is owned by Paul. "Guess who did my contract when I got hired to be a head coach [with the Suns]? Klutch," Watson said. "If Klutch did my contract, wouldn't [the Suns] have just told me, 'We can't sign you because it's a conflict of interest?' They did my interim contract, and they did my other contract. They did two contracts for me." The Suns lost their first three games of the season by a combined 92 points. Watson's final game as head coach was a 130-88 loss to the Clippers; Sarver fired him the next day. "It's almost like an ownership thing," Watson told ESPN. "He wants people to call him and beg him." 簡單說就是沙佛不想花大錢續約雷獸，因為對他作為先發PG的續航力有點質疑。 而作為雷獸的經紀人，Klutch Sports的富堡與沙佛談判，而富堡用 「我懂籃球，這與你小時候玩的網球不一樣。」 回擊 （我自己詢問米國人，這段話其實是指 籃球是黑人的運動，白人還是去打網球就好了） 想當然沙佛大發雷霆，他直接告訴富堡，他將讓Watson炒了Klutch 作為報復，不然他將會開除Watson 當Watson得知後親自與沙佛會面 沙佛開門見山的告訴Watson , 他有10天的時間考慮 - 我他媽的真的會開除你 Watson跟沙佛解釋，並告知你是否知道你在威脅一個黑人離開由另外一個黑人領導的機構意味著什麼 沙佛直接說，我知道你們都是黑人，你需要考慮的是你是否還想要你的工作 Watson告訴沙佛他不會解僱Klutch 你可以對你的球隊為所欲為，但我對我的文化/信仰/種族是不會出賣的 ，Watson說 而沙佛律師給出的解釋，他與Klutch之間的糾紛來自於利益衝突。 他不希望球員與教練埋首同一個經紀人 Watson: 我的經紀人不是富堡 ，而是Klutch 最終沙佛在開季第三場比賽輸球後解僱了Watson Watson告訴ESPN ,沙佛的行為就像他是我們的擁有者，他希望人們求他。 （抱歉…真的很難順暢翻譯） -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 223.141.131.152 (臺灣) ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1636697008.A.F07.html
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11/12 14:04, 2年前 , 1F
結果最大的罪狀就是他直接講尼哥兩個字不消音XD
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11/12 14:05, 2年前 , 2F
辛苦
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11/12 14:05, 2年前 , 3F
沒啦 另一個罪狀是他簽Nash因為他是白人
11/12 14:05, 3F
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11/12 14:05, 2年前 , 4F
雖然有打出來但是就…
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11/12 14:05, 2年前 , 5F
不喜歡富堡還不行喔?
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11/12 14:06, 2年前 , 6F
推個
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11/12 14:06, 2年前 , 7F
富保那句話歧視成這樣結果被搞是沙佛 有夠好笑
11/12 14:06, 7F
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11/12 14:07, 2年前 , 8F
而且Rich Paul這樣看下來真的蠻靠北的
11/12 14:07, 8F
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11/12 14:07, 2年前 , 9F
這種程度的小事 也想燒人..
11/12 14:07, 9F
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11/12 14:07, 2年前 , 10F
Klutch不等於富堡 嗯
11/12 14:07, 10F
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11/12 14:08, 2年前 , 11F
結果看起來就是老闆很雞掰而已，還沒有什麼能讓他
11/12 14:08, 11F
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11/12 14:08, 2年前 , 12F
下來的證據
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11/12 14:09, 2年前 , 13F
我剛剛才發現只翻了越1/3…
11/12 14:09, 13F
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11/12 14:09, 2年前 , 14F
事後來看雷獸是真的雷 到底誰懂阿
11/12 14:09, 14F
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11/12 14:09, 2年前 , 15F
感覺富堡才是最歧視的傢伙
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11/12 14:10, 2年前 , 16F
看起來就只是機車的老闆 是不是有人想搞
11/12 14:10, 16F
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11/12 14:10, 2年前 , 17F
而且雷獸真的雷 蠻有眼光的
11/12 14:10, 17F
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11/12 14:10, 2年前 , 18F
這翻完可能要8-9集 超級長的
11/12 14:10, 18F
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11/12 14:11, 2年前 , 19F
不是欸 Nash打的很好啊 事實證明他很有眼光吧
11/12 14:11, 19F
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11/12 14:12, 2年前 , 20F
但 我google 沒有找到富堡有說這些話的新聞就是了
11/12 14:12, 20F
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11/12 14:12, 2年前 , 21F
他打得好跟因為膚色才雇用是兩回事啊-.-
11/12 14:12, 21F
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11/12 14:13, 2年前 , 22F
事後諸葛來看 簽Nash 交易阿嬤 選書人 都是沙佛強力
11/12 14:13, 22F
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11/12 14:13, 2年前 , 23F
主導的正確決策
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11/12 14:14, 2年前 , 24F
看到富堡集團攪進來就知道怎麼回事了
11/12 14:14, 24F
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11/12 14:14, 2年前 , 25F
問題是他也不是都不簽黑人吧
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11/12 14:16, 2年前 , 26F
還有沒有料啊
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11/12 14:16, 2年前 , 27F
交易阿罵不算吧 前一年有機會賣不肯賣
11/12 14:16, 27F
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11/12 14:17, 2年前 , 28F
拖到FA和尼克先簽後換 只能拿回零頭而已
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11/12 14:18, 2年前 , 29F
交易Amare那筆虧到哭吧…
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11/12 14:18, 2年前 , 30F
聽起來根本沒一個指控站的住腳，各種信口開河，問證
11/12 14:18, 30F
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11/12 14:18, 2年前 , 31F
據就是沒人在場
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11/12 14:19, 2年前 , 32F
可能我記錯了 我記得沙佛是想交易，但當時的GM想多
11/12 14:19, 32F
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11/12 14:19, 2年前 , 33F
拼一年
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11/12 14:20, 2年前 , 34F
反正情節不會到快艇那麼嚴重換老闆啦
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11/12 14:20, 2年前 , 35F
陽迷請繼續加油OuO
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11/12 14:20, 2年前 , 36F
富保.......
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11/12 14:21, 2年前 , 37F
說實在富堡那句話反過來是白人說早就被幹爆了
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11/12 14:22, 2年前 , 38F
Sarver頂多就是政治不正確被抨擊而已
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11/12 14:22, 2年前 , 39F
富堡大戰沙佛，兩邊都好討人厭哈哈哈
11/12 14:22, 39F
還有 163 則推文
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11/12 16:29, 2年前 , 203F
整篇看下來這老闆還真沒做錯什麼事 富寶本來就
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11/12 16:29, 2年前 , 204F
不是啥好貨
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11/12 16:37, 2年前 , 205F
Watson跟麥當勞就在報復啊
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11/12 16:38, 2年前 , 206F
麥當勞還是白人勒
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11/12 17:00, 2年前 , 207F
他的確是個爛老闆 但這也不到能逼他下來的程度
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11/12 17:07, 2年前 , 208F
選白人會出事的話 庫班危險了嗎QQ?
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11/12 17:10, 2年前 , 209F
富保那個到底在三小？？？
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11/12 18:40, 2年前 , 210F
雙標族群的敏感神經 不能挑戰的
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11/12 18:47, 2年前 , 211F
沙佛被逼下台誰會歡呼XD
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11/12 19:02, 2年前 , 212F
太陽迷多半會歡呼，但目前看起來對方戰力頗差，可
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11/12 19:02, 2年前 , 213F
惜
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11/12 19:37, 2年前 , 214F
相信我 最想換老闆的一定是太陽迷
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11/12 19:49, 2年前 , 215F
以為陽迷沒在期待有致命性的證據嗎
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11/12 19:58, 2年前 , 216F
看完感覺沙佛印像變好了 富寶不意外 walston很衰
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11/12 19:58, 2年前 , 217F
但他當出帶那麽爛 不排除只是太爛被炒 沒有中間
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11/12 19:58, 2年前 , 218F
那一段
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11/12 20:02, 2年前 , 219F
其實我不覺得他不敏感 他就是覺得他X的 N字你們能
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11/12 20:02, 2年前 , 220F
講我不能 除了講這個他看起來超平等 完全沒有假平
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11/12 20:02, 2年前 , 221F
等那種 而且眼光很毒辣 不愧是商人
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11/12 20:19, 2年前 , 222F
你翻譯是好心，但真的腦補太多
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11/12 20:21, 2年前 , 223F
換成白人跟威廉絲姊妹的老爸說你們去打籃球的話…
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11/12 20:41, 2年前 , 224F
例如說，原文裡員工指控Sarver的態度是「你們領那
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11/12 20:41, 2年前 , 225F
麼多錢就是要收拾我的爛攤子」而不是「找他們來當
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11/12 20:41, 2年前 , 226F
屎」
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11/12 20:43, 2年前 , 227F
原文也沒有說員工告訴他轉述是不能講N字後，他「看
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11/12 20:43, 2年前 , 228F
起來不以為然」
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11/12 21:21, 2年前 , 229F
爛招
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11/12 21:27, 2年前 , 230F
居然是尼克楊大大XD
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11/12 22:42, 2年前 , 231F
怎麼看起來這個殺佛根本是眾生平等派...
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11/12 22:43, 2年前 , 232F
反而像是這個老闆主導性太強,一些想上下其手的不高
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11/12 22:43, 2年前 , 233F
興?
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11/12 23:07, 2年前 , 234F
看完感覺還好欸
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11/13 00:14, 2年前 , 235F
看起就是個想要cp值的老闆...
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11/13 00:31, 2年前 , 236F
交易阿嬤是正確抉擇喔
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11/13 00:31, 2年前 , 237F
交易完黑暗期多久啊
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11/13 03:04, 2年前 , 238F
黑色自助餐 真臭 跟女拳自助餐87%像啊
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11/13 09:56, 2年前 , 239F
很討厭沙佛 可是看起來明明是黑人歧視白人
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11/14 12:28, 2年前 , 240F
開除黑人就是歧視blabla
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11/15 12:49, 2年前 , 241F
富堡的歧視表現得明顯很多
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11/17 11:57, 2年前 , 242F
種族問題不敏感是三小 沒有力挺黑人?
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