[外絮] Reddit討論分析PG傷勢

看板NBA作者 (阿紅)時間9年前 (2014/08/02 15:02), 9年前編輯推噓37(37推 0噓 37→)
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原文為Reddit上鄉民詢問PG傷勢到底有多嚴重， 然後一位念醫學生跟他其他醫生朋友討論結果。 原文網址:http://ppt.cc/G9uL 原文: **I’m not an orthopedist but I am an EM/MD (still in training) *** Just talked to my Harvard orthopedist friend---she's is quite optimistic, however, there's just no way to tell based on the grainy video. With that said, I'll start including bits and pieces of conversations I am having, although keep in mind it is speculation, and will always be unless you have the actual patient in front of us. ** This can be classified as a Grade I fracture (since its isolated and clean): Average time to healing after surgery is 21-28 weeks (5-7 months) I have a couple of orthofriends looking at the injury: "I'm comparing the two injuries and PG24's is more distal (further down) and looks frankly like there was more muscle involvement than Ware's. Ware's was higher up in the leg, and the bone came out the front of the leg. That makes me think there was less involvement of the muscle and blood vessels that are crucial for healing." Thus PGs injury might be worse based on the video because it came out the back and side of the leg where a lot of crucial blood supply structures are located. The issue here is that if the blood supply gets disrupted then the skin overlaying the bone does too, which stops the bone's ability to heal. This looks like is an oblique transverse compound (and open) lower limb fracture. Since the bone broke the skin, the issue is that he has an increased risk for infection. This will be the biggest issue for him in the next 24-48 hours. They will likely take him to the OR and immediately clean out the bone and remove any muscle that may be torn/damaged. There is a classification system for this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustilo_open_fracture_classification (Skoog: this is a general population study, likely not generalizable to athletes) Twelve months after the injury, 44 percent had not regained full function of the injured leg, although all but two of the patients had returned to preinjury working status.. twelve months after the injury, nearly half the patients still experienced functional limitations related to the fracture Regarding talk of Cameramen, etc, its unlikely that those were the cause. An unprovoked fracture like this probably had some sort of underlying fracture. Tibial fractures are far and away the most common type of fracture in athletes (Shin splits are a form of this). He may have had some sort of small underlying fracture that gave way when he twisted and landed in an awkward way. Yes, Kevin Ware had the same injury, but so did Joe Namath and this injury ended his career. And I'd argue that Kevin Ware was never the same again, and also was not the elite level athlete that PG was (360 windmill dunks are not something that Kevin Ware could do before the surgery). We may never see the same athleticism out of PG again I, like everyone else here, hurled a little bit when I saw that play. I'm researching articles to see if I can find anything that would give a clear idea of his recovery. However, let's be clear here: the number of elite athletes with complete transverse open tibial fractures is like...n=5. There's not a lot of data for how these patients do. I'm looking specifically for anything specifically for athletes, and excluding trauma for these sorts of injuries (car accidents). What's difficult is that this injury basically depends on 3 things: 1) blood supply 2) resource/rehab of the patient 3) if any other muscles were torn (looks possible in that video.) At this point, its unlikely that anything more can be added to the conversation unless more information comes out. Its just speculation and frankly, MD's can't really say much about this unless we have the Xray and open him up ourselves, because these injuries in >99th percentile athletes just don't happen very often. ** If any orthopods read this, please PM me ** 簡易版: TL;DR: -Likely 5-7 months -We're talking a range of return next season to career ending, depending on the associated damage -Most likely possibility: He gets surgery, avoids infection, and starts rehab in 2014-2015. He returns to form somewhere between 2015-2016. Paul George Never gets his athleticism, but is an effective player: 2016-2017. As a Bulls fan, this makes me sick 翻譯: -恢復期有可能是5~7個月 -但不敢保證恢復，要看檢查結果是否有傷害到骨頭周邊肌肉 -最有可能情況是:PG接受手術，避免感染。2014~2015季賽期間開始復健，可能回歸時 間為2015~2017。但可以幾乎確定PG不會像以前那麼有爆發力了QQ 總結: 根據Reddit上鄉民回復PG傷勢很像Kevin Ware，一名在NCAA落地時小腿開放性骨折的球員 以下為影片，慎入 http://ppt.cc/1Htu 不過上面資訊都是看youtube上影片推測居多，真正結果要等醫院正式檢查後才會清楚 心得: QQ PG太慘了，希望趕快回來 而且Reddit上面也有不少文章跟評論在鞭為何球場邊邊空間這麼少，造成球員常常 衝進觀眾席或是攝影機。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 36.238.95.47 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1406962935.A.98F.html
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08/02 15:03, , 1F
而且這次真的離邊線很近
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08/02 15:03, , 2F
看的我腳踝都酸酸的
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真的是崩潰..
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08/02 15:06, , 4F
看到那一句"可以肯定的是PG無法像之前那麼有爆發力了
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08/02 15:06, , 5F
溜馬大概要砍掉重練了XD
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08/02 15:06, , 6F
真的有點難過QQ 新一代球星 哀
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08/02 15:07, , 7F
PG加油！！
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08/02 15:08, , 8F
還好 以她的身材轉打2號練跳投還是可以生存
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08/02 15:09, , 9F
PG還那麼年輕就大傷 真是 唉.....
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08/02 15:10, , 10F
溜馬重建吧 把希伯特跟大衛西賣一賣
08/02 15:10, 10F
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08/02 15:11, , 11F
大衛西不會賣 賣籃零王還有可能(其實有在賣只是賣不
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08/02 15:11, , 12F
掉?)
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08/02 15:11, , 13F
不意外 這種傷爆發力還一樣就神了 PG成為LBJ等級的
08/02 15:11, 13F
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08/02 15:11, , 14F
KB 球星等級不可能了QQ
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08/02 15:12, , 15F
大鎖應該要鬆了
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08/02 15:13, , 16F
真要寫個慘字了…
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08/02 15:13, , 17F
QAQ
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08/02 15:14, , 18F
另一個ROSE也是 傷前的碎裂地板墊步COMBO拉竿QQ
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08/02 15:15, , 19F
回來大概要練底角三分了.....
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希望PG受傷不要走精(針)荒廢掉.....
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08/02 15:17, , 21F
合約才第二年...
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08/02 15:17, , 22F
樂觀預估也要一年半才回得來 唉
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.................
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08/02 15:17, , 24F
先推辛苦翻譯 QQ
08/02 15:17, 24F
謝謝你 但是我才翻最後一小段而已 根本不到5分鐘XDDDD
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08/02 15:18, , 25F
可能改練4號會是比較安全的方向...
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08/02 15:18, , 26F
我認為大衛西會賣耶 難道要他陪著溜馬等重建?
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08/02 15:19, , 27F
應該生涯掰掰了 溜馬崩潰
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08/02 15:19, , 28F
火箭搶大衛西有沒有搞頭?這下受傷 溜馬的球員可能
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08/02 15:20, , 29F
得面臨洗牌 幾個長約的清掉
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08/02 15:20, , 30F
看溜馬老闆怎麼想吧
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08/02 15:20, , 31F
不過以溜馬這樣的小城市 老闆不太可能沒有辦法爭冠
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08/02 15:20, , 32F
看來溜馬要重建了 大概Hibbert最近就會賣了吧
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08/02 15:20, , 33F
還願意花錢 真要等PG的話 可能會選擇省錢
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08/02 15:21, , 34F
火箭迷整天想著搶劫根本呵呵
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08/02 15:21, , 35F
唉...雖然常被酸 但也是每年持續進步的好球員 可惜了
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08/02 15:24, , 36F
恢復+復健幾乎快兩年...
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08/02 15:26, , 37F
溜馬: .....
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QAQ
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08/02 15:27, , 39F
...............
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08/02 15:28, , 40F
一場熱身對抗賽自家主力戰將噴掉 溜馬老闆:...WTF...
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08/02 15:28, , 41F
如果恢復+復健要2年 大衛西可能會被賣 如果是一年
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火箭應該會搶8m HILL 不自幹防守又硬又大隻 3分還可
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08/02 15:29, , 43F
可能就不會 火箭一定會出手 至於搶不搶的到又是另外
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08/02 15:29, , 44F
溜馬的小前鋒是被詛咒了嗎？
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一回事 不過目前需要pf的球隊不對 火箭要搶到的機率
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08/02 15:29, , 46F
Hibberr這約賣不出去拉 溜馬都已經是節奏很慢的
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08/02 15:29, , 47F
不是沒有
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08/02 15:29, , 48F
妙麗走了就一路雖 合理懷疑遛馬球館地下有埋妙麗球衣
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的半場戰他都打這種鳥數據 大衛西被出清機率很大
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HILL 不自幹防守又硬又大隻?
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大衛西合約剩幾年?
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08/02 15:32, , 52F
NCAA那個好像休一年就回來了??
08/02 15:32, 52F
沒錯 但同樣受著個傷的Joe Namath跟Joe Theisman(都是NFL)都是生崖報銷
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08/02 15:35, , 53F
PG這手術完至少要打半年石膏 看骨頭復合狀況 還要從
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08/02 15:36, , 54F
.........."PG無法像之前那麼有爆發力"
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走路->跑步->打球 NCAA跟NBA強度畢竟不同 道路很漫長
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※ 編輯: hitman0527 (36.238.95.47), 08/02/2014 15:44:19
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拜託希望沒事
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08/02 15:47, , 57F
http://ppt.cc/brhw 手術示意圖 大概是這樣
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脛骨腓骨都是開放性骨折 比示意圖嚴重多了 不曉得
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復原期要多久?
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光看示意圖就覺得好痛...
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08/02 15:55, , 61F
柏德悲憤……
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08/02 16:09, , 62F
空間那麼少 為了多擺幾張貴賓席呀 偉哉
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溜馬很慘，正要起飛的新星 手術→復健→打球 要2年吧
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08/02 16:25, , 64F
更不用講受傷後爆發力會失去多少.. 唉
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08/02 16:28, , 65F
六馬要提早重建了
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08/02 17:12, , 66F
如果舞王還在或許可以賭一下... 可能真的要重建了
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美國版的鍵盤看診
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08/02 18:01, , 68F
溜馬應該會先靠8M跟雙伯打打看 PG一年回來話還可以等
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08/02 18:40, , 69F
這次不是在練習場管打嗎 比較小正常
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08/02 20:25, , 70F
不至於要重建吧
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08/02 21:15, , 71F
原文說，NCAA那位骨頭從腿部前方突出，牽扯到少量肌
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肉和血管，PG是從側邊和後方，肌肉血管多，較嚴重。
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08/03 02:41, , 73F
PG的暴發力很難不受到影響....SAD
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08/03 05:51, , 74F
這心理壓力超大,以後可能變純射手了=_=
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