Re: [新聞] Kobe是罪魁? 對手這麼看! 教練:他出手多

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人家版主說要有外電根據 你們幹嘛違反版規呢!!! 請尊重人家的版規 原文,不過要完整看完要註冊 http://ppt.cc/A68k 而這是人家貼出來的完整文章 http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=284837 Lakers' problems stem from Kobe Opposing GM, coach and scouts point to Bryant for Lakers' ills What Kobe Bryant is doing this season is both phenomenal and unprecedented. No player in NBA history -- not Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, not Moses Malone, not Karl Malone, not any of the league's famed ironmen -- have come close to scoring like Bryant in his 17th professional season. Heck, most greats -- guys like Wilt Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson, Michael Jordan and Jerry West -- didn't even play 17 seasons. So for Bryant to be leading the league in scoring at a 29.5 ppg clip while shooting a career-high 47.7 percent from the floor is nothing short of incredible. Before Bryant, Abdul-Jabbar had been the gold standard for well-worn scorers, averaging 23.4 points in his 17th season. But Abdul-Jabbar, who was 38 during that season, was clearly not near his prime, averaging just 6.1 rebounds and 1.6 blocks, well below his career averages of 11.2 and 2.6. Bryant, while not the athlete he once was, is still producing at the same level he always has, posting 5.2 rebounds (5.3 is his career average), 5.0 assists (4.7 career) and 1.6 steals (1.5 career). So it's very difficult to argue that Bryant is doing anything wrong in what, statistically at least, is one of his best seasons ever. And numbers never lie. But there are other numbers that say Bryant's offensive blitzkrieg is actually hurting the struggling Los Angeles Lakers more than helping them. This season, the Lakers (12-14) are just 4-11 when Bryant takes 20 or more shots in a game. Yet, they are 8-3 when he shoots less than 20 times. And it's not necessarily because of the opposition. With Bryant attempting fewer than 20 shots, the Lakers have beaten the Dallas Mavericks, Denver Nuggets, Golden State Warriors, Houston Rockets and Brooklyn Nets, all of whom have better records than the Lakers. The four teams Los Angeles has beaten with Kobe shooting 20 or more times? The bottom-dwelling Phoenix Suns, Washington Wizards, Philadelphia 76ers and Charlotte Bobcats, who have a combined record of 32-64 (.333). The eight teams the Lakers have beaten with Bryant taking less than 20 shots have a slightly better combined record of 87-112 (.437). This trend intrigued me so I decided to go back even further, checking the numbers for the previous two seasons. The evidence was overwhelming: when Bryant shoots fewer than 20 times in a game, the Lakers are outstanding. When he shoots 20 or more times, they're only slightly above mediocre. Last season, the Lakers were 26-19 when Bryant took 20 or more shots. That's a .578 winning percentage. Not bad. But they were 10-3 in the other games, a winning percentage of .769. In 2010-11, Phil Jackson's last season, the Lakers were 24-17 (.585) when Bryant shot 20 or more times and 33-8 (.805) when he took fewer shots. So over the past three seasons, including 2012-13, the Lakers are 54-47 when Bryant shoots 20 times or more. To put it in perspective, that .535 winning percentage equates to a 44-38 record over 82 games. Over that same span, when Bryant takes less than 20 shots, the Lakers are 51-14 (.785), which would be a 64-18 mark in an 82-game season. It seems pretty clear cut: the Lakers are better, and would be better this season, if Bryant shot less. At least that's what the statistics say. But I didn't want to jump to conclusions simply based on the numbers, so I decided to call some of the league's basketball minds to get their take on the topic. I wanted to know whether Bryant needed to be reigned in, or whether he's simply shooting so much because the Lakers' roster is so limited and it's the only chance they have to stay in games. I asked one general manager, an assistant coach and two scouts, all of whom work for teams that have played Bryant and the Lakers this season. Their views were strong: The assistant coach says: "Absolutely, Kobe's shooting too much. When we played them, we told our guys, 'Look, we don't necessarily want Kobe going for 50. I mean, we're going to guard him. But we're not going to double him, and we're not going to try to get the ball out of his hands.' Our main concerns were not to let [Antawn] Jamison hit a bunch of 3s and not to let Dwight [Howard] go crazy down low. There's no question they would be a better team if Kobe shot less. Why do you think [Pau] Gasol struggles? He's going to struggle in any offense where he doesn't touch it. "At the end of the day, it has nothing to do with [Mike] D'Antoni and his system. It's all about what Kobe will allow to happen. When you play the Lakers, it's like they don't have a system. It's whatever Kobe chooses it to be. If he wants to take all the shots, he'll do that. He'll pacify his teammates early in the game, but then he'll throw up a heat check and if he's got it going, nobody else touches the ball. And then the other team benefits because the other Lakers won't defend as hard and they won't be engaged because they're not a part of the game on the offensive end. Kobe has to trust you, and it looks like he thinks most of his guys aren't trustworthy yet. "The problem between Kobe and Dwight is that you can't have Dwight on the floor in the fourth quarter, so how can you play through him. In Kobe's mind, that's why he doesn't pass the ball to Dwight. But the Lakers really need to sit down with Kobe and say, 'At this stage, this is what's best for the Lakers. We've got to play through our bigs.' "Memphis is the best high-low team in the league with Marc Gasol and [Zach] Randolph. The Lakers could play that way with Dwight and Pau, but with Kobe shooting 28 times that's not going to happen. That could definitely work, but the key is getting Kobe to sign off on it. The thing bout this league is that every team is known for something. When you play the Lakers, you don't worry about stopping Kobe. You just make sure those other four guys don't have career nights because you can beat the Lakers with Kobe scoring 34, 35 points. Your biggest worry is if Kobe scores 25 points and has 8 assists and then Dwight has 20 points and 16 rebounds and Pau has 18 and 11 and Nash scores 16 with 10 assists.'' The scout says: "One thing our coach always says is, 'Kobe's probably going to get his 28 points, but let's make sure it's on 28 shots and not 16 shots.' I would like to look at some box scores in detail to see if the Lakers are down in the fourth quarter and Kobe starts shooting a lot to lift them to a come back, or to see whether he was he getting to the foul line a lot in those other games where he didn't have as many field goal attempts. "Watching the Lakers play the Knicks this year was hard to watch because the other Lakers were just so bad. It was like Kobe was trying to do all he could just to keep that game close. And hey, if Dwight's not going to try his butt off and if other guys aren't going to try their butts off, then I'm going to give the ball to the guy that's going to go for it, and that's Kobe. I don't think it's that Kobe doesn't trust his teammates; it's just that he trusts himself more. A questionable shot by him still might be better than a good look for one of those other guys. To me, they look disinterested. "There's no chemistry. They're not pulling for one another. They're just a collection of individual talent that happens to be in the same place wearing the same uniforms. They look listless. Not Kobe, though.'' The general manager says: "Everyone thinks the problem is everybody else but to me, the problem is Kobe. Take a look at Andrew Bynum's quotes the other day, where he said Kobe stunted his growth. He didn't like playing with Kobe. "And Pau? Pau's a really nice guy and Kobe just walks all over him. On the one hand, it's good for Pau because it helps make him tougher but overall, I think it hurts his game. Kobe can smack Pau upside the head and Pau will still go back to him and say, 'Yes sir.' He's just too nice of a guy. But Pau can play. They won a few championships with him, so this notion that Kobe doesn't have anyone to play with and that he has to take all these shots is just wrong. Go back to the Oklahoma City series. Everybody blamed it on Pau and Bynum, but to me, it was more Kobe's fault. And we know what kind of a player Dwight is. He's not at his best because he's coming off the back injury and because of the system D'Antoni's running, but it's obvious to me that Kobe doesn't trust him. And I'm not so sure he likes the way Dwight jokes around so much.'' Another scout says: "That's been debated a lot -- whether Kobe is shooting too much. It's hard to argue against that if they're 8-3 when he doesn't shoot it 20 times. But I'd have to look at each game and study the game situations to really come to a conclusion. I don't think he's purposely hogging the ball or doing things selfishly to keep the team from winning. He's not trying to do anything to hurt the team. If he is shooting too much, it's only because he thinks that's what he has to do for the Lakers to win. "My gut reaction is to say that Kobe does not need to shoot less. He's a top 5 player in the league, he's leading the league in scoring and he's shooting a good percentage. That's a big key - he's shooting a high percentage. It'd be one thing if he was forcing up shots and shooting poorly. But I will say this, when you have as much talent as they do, you shouldn't have to shoot it as much as Kobe has been.'' ※ 引述《cody7052 (Sunrise)》之銘言: : 來源: : http://nba.sina.com.tw/cgi-bin/nw/show.cgi/11/1/1/43180/1.html : 內容: : Kobe是罪魁? 對手這麼看! 教練:他出手多我們很爽 : 台北時間12月20日, : Kobe Bryant 本賽季的表現,可以說是前所未有的。 : NBA 歷史上,無論是 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 還是 Karl Malone, : 沒人能在自己的第17個賽季打出 Kobe 今年的數據。 : 所以,指責 Kobe 是湖人問題的罪魁禍首,似乎並不合適。 : 但是,據 ESPN 消息,反對聲,也還是有的── : 本賽季,在 Kobe 出手20+的場次中, : 湖人的戰績是糟爛的4勝11負。 : 反倒是 Kobe 出手數低於20的時候, : 湖人戰績才是稍顯正常的8勝3負。 : 尤其是在8勝3負的比賽中,湖人擊敗過小牛、金塊、勇士、火箭和籃網, : 這些球隊的戰績都好過湖人。 : 而在4勝11負的比賽中,湖人擊敗的球隊是活塞、太陽、巫師和山貓, : 這些球隊的戰績都不如湖人。 : 似乎,在湖人的勝利和 Kobe 的出手之間,有著千絲萬縷的聯系。 : 為解開這個迷局, : ESPN 的專欄作家 Chris Broussard 特意採訪了一位總經理、一位助教以及兩位球探, : 這四人所在的球隊本賽季都已經和湖人交過手了,他們的觀點還是很有說服力的。 : 按照助教的看法, : 「Kobe 絕對是出手太多了, : 在我們和湖人比賽的時候,我們很清楚地告訴了球員們。 : 不要包夾 Kobe,不要阻礙他接球, : 我們主要的任務是別讓 Antawn Jamison 投三分和 Dwight Howard 進入狀態。 : 你以為 Pau Gasol 為什麼會表現不好? : 拿不到球,他表現沒法好起來。」 : 甚至,這位助教還對 Mike D'Antoni 的體系不屑一顧。 : 「Mike D'Antoni 和他的體系根本就不足為懼, : 當你和湖人交手的時候, : 他們其實沒什麼體系,全看 Kobe 怎麼打。 : 比賽剛開始,Kobe 還會照顧到隊友情緒。 : 一旦 Kobe 手感好起來了,其他人就別指望接球了, : 這會讓對手球隊很爽的。」 : 而那位總經理也認為, : 「在我看來,湖人的問題就是 Kobe。 : Pau Gasol 是個很不錯的球員,但被 Kobe 壓制的太狠了。 : 上賽季季後賽出局, : 問題根本就不在 Pau Gasol 和 Andrew Bynum,都是 Kobe 的錯。 : 而且,我們都知道 Dwight Howard 的能力, : 他今年表現不太好,一方面是因為傷病,另一方面是體系。 : 但最主要的,我覺得還是 Kobe 不信任他。 : Dwight Howard 喜歡四處開玩笑,這一點很可能讓 Kobe 不爽。」 : 和助教以及總經理不同,兩位球探的觀點稍顯溫和。 : 其中一位說, : 「我們教練一直強調, : Kobe 拿28分沒事,我們要做的就是確保 Kobe 能得到28次出手。 : 有時候,場面上看起來湖人球員都很茫然,除了 Kobe。 : 其實,這並不是 Kobe 不信任隊友,只是他更相信自己而已。 : 對他來說,可能自己一次掙扎的出手,也比傳球要好。 : 而且,在湖人現在的陣容中,能拯救球隊的也確實只有他。」 : 另一位則說, : 「我研究過很多比賽,在我看來,Kobe 並非在刻意搶出手權。 : 畢竟,Kobe 的命中率和每場平均得分都擺在那。 : 但是,歸根結底, : 在湖人這樣一支天賦秉異的球隊中,Kobe 確實沒必要出手那麼多。」 -- 距離諾亞方舟掉落只剩三分鐘! 我們還有六集可以跑!快跑! by ckshchen -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 1.171.123.75

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XD
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恩.....喔.....哇.....YES.....OK I GET IT....XD
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要同情一下迷迷 窮的只剩LaoDa給他們自慰
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如果BOX多一項持球時間,就很明顯了
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這篇轉到北韓版 不知道會用什麼理由刪文XD
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Pau's a really nice guy 自盡自盡自盡
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北韓一言堂:PTT 反指標 人生失敗阻組
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有個迷迷被北韓版公告水桶 結果還可以推文呢
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反正還不是照常被迷迷無視
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北韓板:總板一堆酸酸 人生失敗組
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在北韓板檢舉迷迷 反而是檢舉人水桶10年
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然後板主只會在那屁話啥對的起良心Bla 現在還假水桶
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說這裡垃x板 偏偏捧科和酸其他人的時候又來當垃x了
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捧老大的文就不會這麼在意出處了 哭哭
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別這樣說 我們要很~~~~尊重~~~~~~~~ 歡迎轉錄 ※ 編輯: ckshchen 來自: 1.171.123.75 (12/20 22:50)

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幫他們想好說詞了 這作者一定是PTT酸民
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又不是寫英文就一定對的 作者難道比老大懂籃球?
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taikerda:轉錄至看板 Lakers 12/20 22:55

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記得把推文砍掉>_0
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向勇者敬禮
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被秒殺了
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不愧是北韓板
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連理由都不給就刪了XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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哈哈北韓好屌 又秒殺
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喔喔喔 喔喔喔~~~科正日科正日 北韓不容質疑的神!!
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留點空間給人家自慰吧
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太誇張了 這次刪什麼意思的?
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誰說沒理由的就刪文 沒聽過"莫須有"嗎?
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病入膏肓 沒救了 有點像是病患求救神棍被騙財騙色
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taikerda:轉錄至看板 Lakers 12/20 23:05

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有人規定在北韓版刪文要給理由的嗎? 沒有人規定呀
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卻依然相信他救了自己 哈哈哈 總算見識到信仰的力量
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超扯的 他們說沒外電根據 給外電根據還被刪
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迷迷:難道加了外電就變成是有立論的文章了뤠XDDD
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哪個版主刪的也不敢承認
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又刪文了 湖板的顏色連我這個迷迷也搞不懂
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世界奇觀 跟阿共好像 不立言論全面封殺XD
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一篇=大量? 會癱瘓版務?
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laigei阿 還用問 而且這篇明明就關他板事務
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還有 224 則推文
還有 1 段內文
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北韓版是湖人版 那邊沒有板龜 愛桶就桶 愛刪就刪
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只要是信仰正確 被水桶了也可以私下提前出桶
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湖人版是北韓版又如何? 還不是為了防範一些北七酸酸
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你自己在家看A片打手槍, 會喜歡有人跑來說你屌好細又
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早洩嗎?
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看來迷迷常被這樣說 才會崩潰到連板龜都不設了
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說真的Kobe缺陷很多, 湖迷無腦的也很多
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但儘管如此, 比起總版篇篇文章下的無腦推文
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湖版的風氣還算是好多了, 自己在家自嗨又如何
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防北七酸酸? 幹嘛防自家人呀?
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您也是湖迷??
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說什鳥話 那版叫湖人版還是迷迷取暖板 真的要討論
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的胡迷反被歸成酸酸
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無能闆
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==大家別再批評湖版了,讓迷迷有個小窩取暖是應該的=
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原來北韓版對於彌彌是個這麼私密的地方啊~~~
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本來就很私密囉~ 酸酸屌大又持久 早就壓的迷迷沒地
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方躲了 哭哭
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湖板原來是彌彌尻槍的地方喔= =? 怎會這樣想...
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只能說不去看 心中的印象永遠都不會變
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總版也是酸酸尻槍的地方阿 集體高潮的聖地
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其實我不知道一直拿屌出來講是怎樣QQ"
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然後還早洩、尻槍
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為了符合總版風格 簡單 大方
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比起一直講強___, 婦女 我覺得我的說法簡單大方
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屌好細又早洩還是第一次在這版看到 北韓版我就不知
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kobe也蠻可連的 霸氣不及mj 無私隊球隊貢獻不及TD
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一直都只能當國中生的偶像...
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北韓版搞成一言堂很正常啦 迷迷不要來總板當板主就好
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可憐的迷迷
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這一串文根本就是老大不認錯 還拖歐肥下水= =
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唉 以湖人每年的陣容 除了老大獨霸那時代以外
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應該年年有進總冠軍戰的實力才對 而不是一二輪遊
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北韓廢物們被打臉 哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈
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北韓版快變成籃球界的CCR版了
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說穿了大家都是在PTT取暖…外面球場上是另一個樣子…
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摳比強暴了
12/21 14:22, 297F

12/21 18:14, , 298F
湖版是公共場合好嗎 哪是什麼家裡尻槍...什麼爛比喻
12/21 18:14, 298F

12/21 18:16, , 299F
在公共場合尻槍 又不准別人笑屌好細又早洩
12/21 18:16, 299F

12/23 02:41, , 300F
版友爭吵文,鎖文
12/23 02:41, 300F
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