[外電] G1一切都是積極性決定

看板MiamiHeat作者 (=\)時間11年前 (2013/06/08 08:13), 編輯推噓38(40272)
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還滿不錯的一篇外電,看法跟板上火迷類似 看來大家都可以做教練惹~ http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/59428/aggression-decided-game-1 簡單翻譯 When the Heat brought the fight to the Spurs, it worked. 當熱火主動攻擊時,最成功。 David Thorpe is my X's and O's mentor. We have been talking for hours a week for years, and I have learned a ton about what coaches do and how much it matters. 這篇文章是記者G1後訪問名業餘教練大衛索普的摘錄, 大衛索普現在開了一間訓練營,有很多NBA球員都曾去求教過。 After Game 1, though, while the whole world was talking X's and O's like San Antonio's "anyone but LeBron" defensive scheme or early-game substitution patterns -- classic Thorpe issues -- Thorpe talked for a half-hour about how the Spurs won, and barely mentioned tactics at all. 大衛索普跟我花了30分鐘解釋馬刺為什麼會贏,即使全世界似乎都專注 於討論馬刺-所謂的人人可得分除了LBJ以外-的戰術,索普並沒有就這點 做太多申論。 The topic was aggression. 索普在講的是積極性。 If he were Erik Spoelstra, I asked him, what would he be telling the Heat right now? Thorpe didn't hesitate: "I'd go nuts. I'd tell them this was horse s---. It was like they were playing the Milwaukee Bucks in November, thinking they were so much better that just doing things the right way would be enough. I'd say guys, we're giving them our rings. Against a lot of opponents they're so much better that going through the motions is enough. But they're not so much better against the Spurs. San Antonio has won, what, seven straight playoff games now? The Heat were so afraid to make mistakes that they were making them all over the court. I'd say we've got to take the fight to them. We've got to take chances. We've got to blitz them and attack them. Norris Cole did it. Dwyane Wade did it some. 'Bron only now and again." 索普說如果我是Spo,我會很生氣的開罵。我會告訴他們這是什麼馬糞。 你以為你們還在跟公鹿隊打11月的季賽嗎-因為認為自己是比對方好很多 的球隊,所以只需要照表操課照本宣科就可以輕鬆贏得比賽了。 我會告訴他們:同學們你們是在把戒指送人吧! 的確對大部份的對手,熱火只要打正確的籃球就可以斬爆一狗票球隊。 但是馬刺可沒有比他們差到哪兒去。別忘了馬刺現在可是七連勝的球隊。 在我看來我覺得熱火這場比賽打得躡手躡腳因為一直怕哪裡做不對, 結果搞得整隊看起來都不對。 我們必須要賭一把,要去做為積極的那一方去攻擊籃筐。 Cole做到了。Wade也做到了一些。Lebron只做到一點。 Some particulars: 摘錄教練的重點: "Go and watch some video of the Heat playing defense from the second half of Game 7 against the Pacers. You wouldn't find that team anywhere on the court tonight. Both teams were merely good on defense. The Spurs managed to kick up the defensive pressure, especially, on ball, for a few minutes of the fourth quarter, and it was enough to win the game." 「你去看看G7熱火下半場是怎麼守遛馬的。你這場比賽看不到那場比賽的熱火。 這場比賽兩隊的防守都只是勉強及格。而馬刺在第四節針對球的壓迫 提升了幾分鐘的強度,然後就足以讓他們贏得比賽。」 "I LOVE Pop. One thing he did that was amazing was he just went bananas at one point screaming at Tim Duncan to come earlier to set a screen for Tony Parker. Not a lot of coaches get on Hall of Famers like that. But what I see him saying is don't let Miami get its defense set. Go go go. He was screaming about setting ball screens early. And it worked. FAST. Go fast. Pop knows Miami will go on some serious scoring runs in this series. But, unlike the Pacers, he knows the Spurs can have scoring runs of their own, especially if they are aggressive and quick." 「我愛死Pop了。有件他做的很棒的事就是他指著TD的鼻子大罵 關於他有一球沒有替TP做好單擋的球。並沒有很多教練勇於指責 這些名人堂級的球員。 另外我認為他有一點做得很好就是他不斷強調要他的球隊不要讓 熱火的半場防守定型,你們要動,跑跑跑跑!要快,跑得快就對了。 Pop知道熱火在這系列會打出一些進攻很順的比賽,但是他也知道 馬刺也有本錢打出好波(跟溜馬不同),尤其當馬刺跑起來時, 馬刺也能打出進攻波。」 "Chris Bosh is a wonderful player, and I love his game. But he was horrible in this one. The Spurs were saying 'let him score. Let him score 40 if he wants, out there on the perimeter. As long as he isn't getting to the line, and getting our bigs in foul trouble.' Bosh was all catch and shoot. But he can also catch and GO. Attack. That's part of his game, and he needs to do that." 「老包是個很棒的球員,我通常很喜歡看他的比賽。但是G1他糟透了。 馬刺基本上防守策略就像是跟他說「你如果能在三分線得40分我們就認了, 只要你不跑進禁區來,不讓我們的大個兒陷入犯規麻煩都好。」 老包的確是不錯的定點射手,但是他也可以擋切阿。攻擊! 擋切是老包善長的一部分,而老包必須要打出他的侵略性。」 "Play good D against the Pacers and you'll get some unforced errors. Not so against the Spurs. Solid isn't enough. The model is the Thunder, who went down 0-2 to the Spurs last year, then got super aggressive, jumped everything, played with incredible athleticism, and won four in a row." 「溜馬不是馬刺,溜馬你可以靠防守造成失誤,馬刺好的防守還不夠。 對付馬刺你需要進入瘋狂攻擊狀態。去看看去年的雷霆吧,在0-2落後後, 他們基本上就打得像是沒有明天一樣,靠著球星的天份和年輕,瘋狂不放過 任何一個機會,四連勝KO馬刺。」 "LeBron only attempted four free throws." 「LBJ昨天才罰四顆球。」 "Miami needs to use every possible method to get the ball close to the hoop. Drive, post, pinch post ..." 「熱火必須要利用任何可能的方式去轟炸籃筐,切入,低位再低位。」 "The Spurs are only surviving by not guarding people who can score. Bosh, for instance, can both shoot and drive. We need more." 「馬刺昨天能存活在於他們防守賭博賭對了,他們決定不去就一些能得分的人 做某些位置的防守。就像對老包一樣,老包可以外圍投射也可以切入。 我們需要老包!」 "The Heat have often been at their best after being physically challenged. They have risen to the occasion. The Spurs corralled the Heat on a lot of possessions, rather than doing anything that would make their hair stand up. I almost wonder if that was intentional, to keep the intensity level down. Without the Heat being super intense, the Spurs can carve them up." 「熱火通常打得最好精神最集中的時候是他們被對手以肢體碰撞 挑戰時。他們總是能對此作出最棒的應對。 馬刺則相反,馬刺基本上就是順著熱火打,他們基本上不會做出任何 去激怒你的動作。我甚至懷疑這也是馬刺的戰略之一:讓激情冷卻, 冠軍賽打得像季賽。當熱火的激情不夠時,馬刺總是可以從你身上 挖一塊肉起來而不自覺。」 "Miami is no longer a team we can rip for wilting. They have trailed and come back in series before. Yes, the Spurs are the best opponent they've faced. But Spo is fantastic and they'll come back strong with something. The Heat are a few days from Game 5 and Game 7 against the Pacers, when they had to really elevated their intensity to crazy levels. They couldn't do it again in this game. It's hard to do it often. But if they can get very aggressive, the Spurs could be in a world of hurt. Miami could win some blowout games." 「熱火跟往常不一樣了,你不能期待熱火會自爆了。他們曾經在系列落後 又追上過好幾次。沒錯,馬刺的確是他們這幾年遇到最強的對手。 但是Spo也是個優秀的傢伙,我認為他們下一場會有一些特別的應變。 熱火在上個系列賽後只休息了幾天,尤其G5-G7他們把他們的專注力 提升到了瘋狂的境界。他們這場球沒辦法維持那樣的專注力。 當然你不可能整個系列賽都做到那種表現,但是如果熱火保持積極性和侵略性, 馬刺會感受到不一樣的世界。我認為熱火如果能做到積極侵略, 那是有可能大比分勝出幾場比賽的。」 ========================================================== 心得:這教練把該說的都說了。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 72.34.128.250

06/08 08:48, , 1F
說真的 我也無法理解熱火不打擋拆 我是指利用擋拆給高個
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然後進攻禁區 這戰術熱火已經消失很久了 但是這也是最
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一般的進攻戰術 雖然BOSH的佔位是為了拉開禁區空間 但是
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06/08 08:50, , 4F
戰術可以很多變 不是只能這樣打吧 我覺得SPO要嘗試多一點
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06/08 08:50, , 5F
進攻戰術
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06/08 09:01, , 6F
同意推
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06/08 09:53, , 7F
真的!也真的把我想說的話,這篇更清楚熱火G1的問題點
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06/08 09:54, , 8F
另外我也希望SPO能罵罵我們三王
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06/08 09:56, , 9F
推pnr
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06/08 10:22, , 10F
推 我也認為G1打的像季賽,少了總冠軍的哪種激情
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06/08 10:49, , 11F
得分荒時,常出現大家站外圍,我傳你、你傳他、他他
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06/08 10:50, , 12F
然後傳到剩五秒還是在外圍 接著慌亂出手
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06/08 11:02, , 13F
我覺得熱火應該沒辦法解決這種毛病 要在團隊合作跟無雙間
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06/08 11:02, , 14F
拿捏 其實還蠻難的 熱火這問題已經持續很久了
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06/08 12:11, , 15F
我是希望關鍵時刻LBJ能跳出來
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06/08 12:12, , 16F
他不解決這心病 永遠都會這問題困擾者
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06/08 12:18, , 17F
說得好
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06/08 12:42, , 18F
如果是不好的...希望LBJ能自覺6年前&後...差異在哪?
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06/08 13:11, , 19F
馬次怕的是多肌肉衝擊 多切多低位幹進去久了就累或犯規多
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06/08 13:12, , 20F
好中肯G1就是兩邊都打得好但是很平靜的一場比賽
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06/08 13:16, , 21F
馬刺怕的是熱火合體第一年那種三王無雙不合理硬幹打法
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06/08 13:17, , 22F
打團體戰打系統戰,那是馬刺得節奏....
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06/08 13:26, , 23F
不過今年已經很少看到無雙硬幹了 現在不知道是好是壞XDD
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06/08 13:28, , 24F
去年雷霆和前年灰熊就是強硬打法
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06/08 13:29, , 25F
讓馬刺不知所措
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06/08 13:46, , 26F
這時候要說 別太樂觀
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06/08 13:54, , 27F
我也搞不懂為什麼不讓Bosh擋切 今年季後賽用得有夠少
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06/08 13:54, , 28F
不知道是濕婆把他當祕密武器還是怎樣...
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06/08 13:55, , 29F
馬刺比較怕Kobe, Curry那種瘋狂幹分型的選手
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希望我們三王能硬起來,該放無雙就該放,沒有退路了
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06/08 13:59, , 31F
至於合理籃球好還是無雙籃球好 我只能說兩者兼具是最好 熱火
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06/08 13:59, , 32F
跟馬刺打戰術 沒有一隊能贏 方法就是不打戰術 硬幹
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06/08 14:00, , 33F
現在就是太執著於正確的執行半場戰術 反而讓球員失去了激情
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06/08 14:01, , 34F
這個部份我覺得是濕婆的問題 至於如何解決? 老實說 就像第一
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06/08 14:02, , 35F
年合體中段戰績爆衝那樣 搶下防守籃板就讓球員自己決定 反之
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06/08 14:03, , 36F
被進球就乖乖的打半場進攻 老實說效果還不錯
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06/08 14:04, , 37F
還有教練拿出積極性也很重要 我覺得濕婆老是那種淡定淡定的
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06/08 14:06, , 38F
調調 但有時球員還是需要教練的激情喊話阿!!!!
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有沒有人注意到 G1戰Ray罰三球時 鏡頭有帶到Riley身上
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還有 35 則推文
06/08 23:01, , 75F
不過他看片功力很強到是真的....
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06/08 23:28, , 76F
Spo評價...和明星球員還相處得不錯?...風格+實力待確XDDDDD
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06/08 23:36, , 77F
我覺得第一場主場輸掉雖然很傷 但這也是考驗熱火的時候
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06/08 23:36, , 78F
如果沒辦法在這樣的逆境之中克服一切就不算衛冕者
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06/08 23:37, , 79F
好好想想去年我們怎麼打總冠的的,輸掉第一場後每場都當成
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06/08 23:38, , 80F
沒有明天再打,全力以赴上就對了
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06/08 23:41, , 81F
真不爽,又看到一個幫熱火找戰犯的湖迷
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(在總版)
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06/08 23:43, , 83F
根本沒差 不需要去理會他人的聲音 比賽前看總版只會讓自
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06/08 23:44, , 84F
己更氣而已
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06/09 00:50, , 85F
tales好像說反了吧...馬刺至少G1的戰術是讓除了LBJ以外的人得
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06/09 00:51, , 86F
分ok,但是不能讓LBJ瘋起來的防守唷,熱火G1外圍空檔很多原因在
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06/09 00:51, , 87F
此,只是這篇文章認為這種防守方式要破就要靠不斷的切入挑戰
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06/09 00:52, , 88F
禁區,而不是外圍有空檔就投(即使這是合理籃球),並且拿老包做
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06/09 00:53, , 89F
例子...我認為很多人的盲點是[LBJ怎麼不攻擊],而忘了這就是
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06/09 00:53, , 90F
馬刺的防守重點:不讓你LBJ攻擊,而馬刺做到這一點的方式有二
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06/09 00:54, , 91F
第一就是禁區第二線第三線的防守堅實,第二就是放掉外線16尺外
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的空檔幾次是可接受的,簡言之,我認為Pop賽前就知道要全面守死
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熱火是不可能的任務,所以他們決定守80%,剩下20%交給運氣,這就
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是文章說的馬刺take a risk on defense
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06/09 00:56, , 95F
而熱火要破,就要全力去破那80%,而不是看到20%就見獵心喜
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06/09 00:57, , 96F
只要80%被擊裂,那馬刺崩盤一兩場是可期的,反之,熱火就準備掰
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06/09 01:12, , 97F
總版今天討論的主題讓我滿傻眼的
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06/09 01:13, , 98F
竟然這麼認真討論一個在季後賽跑龍套角色所說的話
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06/09 01:14, , 99F
雖然他以前很強沒錯 不過說LBJ如果在以前是普通球員
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06/09 01:15, , 100F
這種無聊假想式的議題 總版可以討論這麼熱烈
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06/09 01:20, , 101F
是說T-Mac?我認為他多放話好啊,我希望他能說馬刺可以4-0 KO熱
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火小學生隊~ 這樣熱火就有希望了 :D
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06/09 01:22, , 103F
我也超喜歡巴克利 rodman 和TMAC的那些話的XDDD
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06/09 01:24, , 104F
很簡單運動競技這種東西 選手只會越來越強 越來越進步
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對喔!熱火常常要被激一下 下一場就會有人爆氣贏球
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06/09 02:07, , 106F
總之目前所有言論狀況我是還滿滿意的
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就看熱火會不會有去年季後賽的效應
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06/09 10:32, , 108F
說不定LBJ又要爆氣打臉囉
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06/10 08:59, , 109F
讚 小綠綠
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lbj又在裝無辜了 man點好嗎
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06/10 10:16, , 111F
嗨 300塊
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06/10 10:17, , 112F
300塊選這一場想要嘲笑熱火,要變成笑話了 lol
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06/10 10:37, , 113F
300元當了七場溜馬迷 還想把熱火當肉腳喔
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羨慕NT300 我也想當多場一點馬刺迷 結果才4場
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