[外電] 歡迎來到這儘管打出三十轟但實際上卻爛到有剩的打者的年代。

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By Sam Miller of ESPN 原文網址:http://tinyurl.com/y9gdl7tg Welcome to the era of the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad 30-home-run hitter 歡迎來到這儘管打出三十轟但實際上卻爛到有剩的打者的年代。 If I could put one memento from this home run era into the time capsule, it would be Rougned Odor's line from June 30. 如果我要為這全壘打滿天飛的年代裡挑出一個最有代表性的事情, 那將會是Rougned Odor今年6/30比賽的表現。 Odor, the Texas Rangers' second baseman and No. 5 hitter that day, homered in the fourth inning with a man on base. It was his 13th long ball of the year, which used to be a lot. In 1988, the most formative year of my own baseball fandom, 13 home runs would have led American League second basemen for the entire season. Homers might not be as rare as they used to be, but they're still the most valuable thing Odor could have done 13 times. 當天Odor是遊騎兵的先發第五棒,鎮守二壘。Odor在該場比賽的第四局擊出了他本季的第 十三發全壘打。如果把這個數字放到1988年球季來看,會是在所有美聯二壘手整季裡排名 第一。儘管在現今的MLB裡,全壘打已經不再那麼罕見,但那仍是Odor的表現中最值得一 提的事情。 In that game, he also grounded into an inning-ending double play with the bases loaded, flied out, popped out and struck out. According to run-expectancy estimates, Odor's bat actually cost the Rangers runs on a day he hit a two-run homer. This was a very Rougned Odor accomplishment: He closed June with a .207/.244/.376 slash line. He had been baseball's second-worst-hitting second baseman. Odor在該場比賽的其餘打席分別是雙殺打、飛球出局、小飛球出局以及三振。若根據得分 期望值來計算,儘管Odor當天打了一發兩分全壘打,但實際上他的表現其實是讓遊騎兵隊 少得一分的,這其實是一件非常Odor的。六月結束時,他的打擊三圍是.207/.244/.376, 這個成績在所有二壘手裡面排名倒數第二。 Things haven't gotten much better or -- if you're counting dingers -- much worse. Depending on your filters, Odor has demolished previous Worst Season With Most Homers fun facts. Before this season, no hitter had hit more than 26 homers with an OPS+ lower than 80 (which is to say, an OPS lower than 80 percent of the league's average). Odor has already hit 29 homers, with an OPS+ of 67. He has actually been worse than that, since OPS undervalues OBP, and Odor seems to also undervalue OBP. His .208/.251/.405 line through Sunday, adjusted for his hitter-friendly ballpark, makes him the third-worst qualified hitter in baseball, according to FanGraphs. Eight starting pitchers have outhit him. 在那之後,事情的發展並沒有太大的不同。Odor正把"擊出最多全壘打的同時打擊表現卻是 最糟的"這個不光彩記錄的定義推向另一個層次。在Odor之前,沒有任何球員可以在至少 打出26發全壘打的同時OPS+還不到80,但Odor截止目前為止,打出了29發全壘打,但OPS+ 僅有67,打擊三圍是.208/.251/.405,在經過球場因素校正後,Odor的wRC+全聯盟排名倒 數第三,在他前面的球員裡面,有八個是先發投手。 A rising home run tide tends to lift all boats, but a few archetypes become most emblematic of each era. In the live-ball 1920s, it was the superstars redefining offensive limits; in the steroids-fueled 1990s, it was the middle infielders with suddenly thick forearms doubling their career highs; in the analytics era of the mid-2000s, it was the super-patient plodders with terrible defense but keen eyes. This era's avatar: the home run hitter who is terrible. 棒球歷史上,每個年代都有著屬於自己的亮點。在20年代活球世代,球星們用手中的棒子 重新定義了何謂進攻及得分;類固醇充斥的90年代,中線內野手們的手臂忽然變粗變壯, 一度又一度地刷新他們的生涯紀錄;而在各項進階數據逐漸萌芽的千禧年代中期,我們可 以在球場上看到一群超級耐心,選球眼驚人,但守備糟糕透頂的球員。而現今的代表人物 則屬於一群轟了一堆全壘打,但實際上打擊貢獻度低落到不行的球員。 Odor -- who might not actually be terrible but definitely has been this year -- is my favorite example. There's Mike Napoli, who has hit 29 home runs while batting .193/.285/.428. Maikel Franco has hit 20 homers with a .233/.286/.402 slash line. His teammate Tommy Joseph: 21 homers, .236/.287/.427. Matt Davidson: 25 homers, .223/.267/.462. Albert Pujols, arguably the worst everyday player in baseball this year, has hit 22 homers. 雖然Odor以往的打擊表現並不同今年那樣糟,但我還是很喜歡把他拿來當成案例探討。但 除了他之外,我們還有:Mike Napoli (29HRs, .193/.285/.428),Mailkel Franco (20HRs, .233/.286/.402),Tommy Joseph (21HRs, .236/.287/.427),Matt Davidson (25HRs, .223/.267/.462),以及,幾乎可以說是本季表現最差的每日先發球員 – Albert Pujols (22HRs)There is really no precedent for this routine merger of home runs and offensive incompetence. Three players come closest: In 1983, Tony Armas hit 36 homers with a .218/.254/.453 line. In 1986, Dave Kingman hit 35 homers with a .210/.255/.431 line. In 2003, Tony Batista hit 26 bombs and .235/.270/.393. The first two seasons came in low-offense eras, mitigating those OBPs somewhat. The last one was probably the most Rougned Odor season before Rougned Odor; Batista had a 73 OPS+. 在歷史上幾乎無法找出這種全壘打跟實際貢獻度反差那麼大的例子。最接近這個論點的球 員共有三位:1983年的Tony Armas (36HRs, .218/.254/.453),1986年的Dave Kingman (35HRs, .210/.255/.431),2003的Tony Batista (26HRs, .235/.270/.393)。前兩位球 員身處在一個打擊沒那麼突出的世代,所以他們的OBPs相比起來也就沒那麼的悲劇,但最 後一位Tony Batista的表現可以說是在Rougned Odor以前最Odor的一位,當年他的OPS+為 73。 But if seasons such as Odor's have some precedent, the prevalence of them in the past two years is striking and makes for a fun game of Try Telling Somebody From 1988 That: Try telling somebody from 1988 that the guy who led the National League in home runs (Chris Carter, 41 with Milwaukee in 2016) wouldn't have a starting job the next Opening Day. Try telling somebody from 1988 that a hitter with 25 home runs in 112 games (Ryan Howard) would go unsigned as a free agent and end up in Triple-A. Try telling somebody from 1988 that an infielder with 34 homers in 142 career games, including 14 in just 165 at-bats this year, would be demoted to the minors by a fourth-place team and not called up again, not even in September. That's Ryan Schimpf, who managed those 14 home runs while hitting just two doubles. 除了Odor之外,這兩年還有一些事情是如果你把這些拿去跟1988年的人來說, 他們可能完全無法理解的: ‧一個上一季打出25發全壘打的自由球員沒人要簽,只好去打3A。 – Ryan Howard ‧一個身處分區第四名球隊的內野手生涯142場比賽中擊出34發全壘打,其中還包含本季 165個打席內打出14發全壘打,卻仍然被下放小聯盟,甚至連九月擴編時都沒被重新叫上 大聯盟。 - Ryan Schimpf Or try telling somebody from 1988 that a good defensive second baseman with 30-plus home runs wouldn't be named on a single MVP ballot or make the All-Star team. Since 1925, only 35 second basemen have hit 30 home runs. Last year, Odor joined Dan Uggla as the only ones to get neither an All-Star selection nor an MVP vote. And this year's version of Odor is far worse than last year's. The worst of those 35 second-base seasons produced 1.6 WAR, and the median 30-HR second baseman produced 5.9 WAR. Odor's WAR this year is -0.2. 或者是你可以跟1988年的人說:一個守備絕佳同時可以打出超過30發全壘打的二壘手沒辦 法在該年入選明星賽而且連一張MVP選票都拿不到。事實上,從1925年起到現在,僅有35 個二壘手單季全壘打數超過30支的情況下,只有Odor是除了Dan Uggla之外,唯一一位有 此表現但得不到上述兩件事情肯定的人。 但Odor今年的表現跟去年比起來簡直是慘不忍睹, 前面提到那些曾經單季全壘打數達到30支的二壘手裡面最差的WAR為1.6, 而他們的平均WAR為5.9,反觀Odor今年的WAR是-0.2。 Here's another way to look at it: If you were to take away Odor's home runs, his batting line would be .166/.214/.212. If you were to do that for every hitter, every season since 1988, Odor would have the 14th-worst OPS by any player with 300 plate appearances in three decades. He has company. Napoli this year is fifth-worst, Luis Valbuena and Davidson are 11th- and 12th-worst, Austin Hedges is 18th-worst, and Brandon Moss is 27th-worst. Six of the 30 worst non-HR-production seasons of the past 30 years happened this year. (Ryan Howard, last year, would have the very worst.) 如果你把Odor今年的所有全壘打扣掉,他的打擊三圍將會是.166/.214/.212。然後你再對 1988年到現在所有打席數至少三百個以上的打者做出一樣的計算,Odor的OPS排名是倒數 第十四。但他並不孤單,Napoli的本季成績會是排名倒數第五,Luis Valbuena及 Davidson分居倒數第十一及十二,Austin Hedges排名倒數第十八,以及Brandon Moss排 名倒數第二十七。也就是說過去三十年來,在此種成績計算方式下,倒數三十名裡面有六 位的表現是取自今年球季。(至於誰是最糟的呢?去年的Ryan Howard。) Of course, we don't take away their homers, which brings up the question of whether Odor's absolute inability to do anything but homer is an indictment of those homers or a vindication of them. Twenty-nine of his plate appearances have single-handedly kept him in the majors. Those 29 plate appearances have been enough to keep him in the lineup every day -- he leads the American League in games played -- and presumably make him more valuable to the Rangers than any other option they have. Those 29 plate appearances are carrying a lot of weight and perhaps a career. 當然,我們不可能就這樣把那些全壘打給拿掉,但這也帶出了一個問題,就是像Odor這樣 除了全壘打外一無是處的打擊表現下,這29支全壘打的重要性是否真的足以讓他一直先發 上場,甚至成為美聯裡面上場次數最多的球員嗎?難道遊騎兵隊中沒有其他人的表現可以 取代他嗎?那這29個打數實在是太重要,幾乎足以支撐他的生涯。 Hedges is the strongest example of this position. Hedges is an elite defensive catcher whose bat was questionable for most of his minor league career. He hit .225/.272/.314 in Double-A, then .168/.215/.248 in 56 games in his rookie season. "Although defense will always be Hedges' calling card and should keep him around for a long time, he'll need to start hitting if he's to become more Brad Ausmus than Jeff Mathis," Baseball Prospectus wrote in its 2016 preseason annual. Hedges可說是代表這個情況的最佳例子。Hedges是個防守卓越的捕手,但他小聯盟時期的 打擊表現卻是不足為提。在2A時期,他的打擊三圍是.225/.272/.314,然後升上大聯盟的 新人球季為.168/.215/.248。在那之後,Baseball Prospectus給他的評語是:「儘管 Hedges的防守就是他的優勢,也可以讓他在聯盟裡待上好一段時間。但如果他想成為 Brad Ausmus而不是Jeff Mathis的話,他最好開始好好練練他的打擊了。」 He has, and he hasn't. Compared to 2015, Hedges has greatly increased his fly ball rate (from 36 to 46 percent), and his launch angle has literally skyrocketed from 11.3 degrees to 17.6 degrees -- from roughly league average to 90th percentile. He swings at far more pitches in the strike zone (from 65 percent to 70 percent), and the fact that he whiffs on more of those pitches in the zone (79 percent contact rate, down from 85) suggests that he is swinging harder at them. His whiff rate on two strikes is up, suggesting, as well, that he isn't shortening up and protecting with two strikes. 而他辦到了,但同時他也失敗了。與2015年相比,Hedges擊中的球裡飛球比例從36%提高 到46%,他的揮擊角度從約在聯盟平均的11.3度上揚到前10%的17.6度,他針對投進好球帶 的球的出棒比例從65%增加到70%,但他的成功擊球率也從85%下降到79%,代表他揮得更大 力。再者,他兩好球時的揮空率更大,代表他在這個情況下不會特別縮短他的揮棒軌跡來 保護好球帶。 Those changes have consequences. He has struck out even more this year, his walk rate remains one of the worst in baseball, and he has hit a lot more infield popups. Fly balls that stay in the park rarely land for base hits, and infield popups virtually never do; his batting average on balls in play ranks him 215th out of 227 major league hitters (min. 350 PA) this year. Hedges' .172/.222/.211 homerless line this year is even worse than Mathis' career homerless line (.181/.242/.229 line). 上述這些改變隨之後來的結果就是他今年被三振次數增加,而保送次數依舊是處於聯盟末 段班,同時他打出更多內野小飛球,那些沒有飛出場外的球幾乎很少落地形成安打,而擊 球成功的打擊率在全聯盟227名打席數至少350個的打者內排名215,而他今年扣掉全壘打 後的三圍是.172/.222/.211,比Jeff Mathis的生涯扣掉全壘打後的三圍.181/.242/.229 還要糟。 But those changes also have benefits: He has 17 homers, including seven with two strikes. An extra dozen or so times a year, he manages to do the very best thing a hitter can do. His actual, with-home-runs line -- .211/.255/.393, for a 70 OPS+ -- is, indeed, closer to Brad Ausmus' career (75 OPS+) than Mathis' career (52). 但這些改變也有讓他得到某種程度上的成功,他本季擊出了17支全壘打,其中有七發是在 兩好球時打出。而他的真正打擊三圍.211/.255/.393,70 OPS+,的確是更接近Ausmus的 75 OPS+,而非Mathis的52 OPS+。 Clearly, there are good hitters who added loft to their swings, changed their approaches, took advantage of the live ball and became superstars: J.D. Martinez, Justin Turner, Josh Donaldson and others. There are also bad hitters who did all this and became more productive, despite their limitations, such as Hedges. 當然還是有許多好打者在調整他的打擊仰角後成功發光發熱,如J.D Martinez,Justin Turner,Josh Donaldson…等;也有某些糟糕的打者如Hedges在這樣做之後得到一定程度 的成功。 On the other hand, the approach that leads to more home runs might come at a cost for some hitters. Odor's strikeouts are way up from his first two seasons in the majors. He hits a lot of fly balls -- 27th-most in baseball, among 149 qualified hitters -- but the rest of his batted ball profile is terrible. Only eight hitters in baseball have hit more infield popups, and only five have hit fewer line drives. 但就另一方面來看,對某些打者來說,打出更多全壘打的同時也付出了相對應的代價。 Odor今年的被三振率遠高於前兩季,他打了相當多的飛球,在達到計算基準的149名球員 內排行第二十七。但這些飛球的品質卻是十分糟糕,只有八位打者打出比他更多的內野小 飛球,然後只有五名打者的平飛球數量比他還少。 If I were Odor's hitting instructor, I have no idea whether I'd advise him to keep swinging for the fences -- keep doing the one good thing he can do on offense -- or change everything because this isn't really working. That's one of the challenges of playing in a league in which home runs are suddenly cheap, but hitting is otherwise as complex and difficult as ever. 如果我是Odor的打擊教練,我還真不知道該怎麼去修正他的問題。到底我應該叫他繼續保 持這種全力出棒的擊球方式,還是直接砍掉重練。如今的世道全壘打滿天飛已不再值錢, 但是打擊這門藝術卻變得比以往更加艱深複雜,要怎麼去定位何謂適合正確可說是個艱鉅 的挑戰。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 1.34.112.178 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/MLB/M.1505898405.A.D8C.html ※ 編輯: ted10 (1.34.112.178), 09/20/2017 17:07:59

09/20 17:10, , 1F
Odor就是一個把全壘打大賽搬到現實比賽的人啊
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09/20 17:11, , 2F
只是對面投手都不願意當他的餵球投手
09/20 17:11, 2F

09/20 17:13, , 3F
就是飛球革命啊 每球都全力往天空拉打
09/20 17:13, 3F

09/20 17:14, , 4F
大盲砲年代 沒選球的盲炮越來越多了 還好法官還有BB
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09/20 17:17, , 5F
事實上更悲的是條子還真的沒人能夠補他的位
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09/20 17:19, , 6F
他轉當救援應該很有搞頭
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09/20 17:20, , 7F
看標題還以為是abc發的
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09/20 17:22, , 8F
那種上壘率 還追求全壘打 實在是...
09/20 17:22, 8F

09/20 17:27, , 9F
就是這種上壘率才需要追求全壘打,長打比上壘率好灌
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09/20 17:28, , 10F
看他打擊我是不覺得有在追求全壘打…
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09/20 17:32, , 11F
Napoli和Pujols都是有實績而且去年打擊貢獻都還是正的
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09/20 17:32, , 12F
今年讓他們持續上場並不奇怪吧
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09/20 17:39, , 13F
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09/20 17:40, , 14F
球棒控制跟選球都不好 如果連HR都沒有 只會更慘
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09/20 17:42, , 15F
好險Schwarber沒每天上 不然又會中槍了
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09/20 17:46, , 16F
Schwarber的打擊貢獻是正的喔
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09/20 17:47, , 17F
史瓦伯光是OBP有.3就贏了
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09/20 17:48, , 18F
所以profar比這個ops+80的還不如喔?
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09/20 17:49, , 19F
Odor今年的BABIP不到.23 但是從擊球型態來看看不出
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09/20 17:49, , 20F
為什麼會這麼低...
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09/20 17:55, , 21F
超高的IFFB啊...
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09/20 17:56, , 22F
他隊友gallo 盲歸盲 OBP還有.330多
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09/20 17:56, , 23F
這種球進場內屎死掉機率90幾趴....
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09/20 18:00, , 24F
Profar超慘 當年#1的新秀 現在OPS.5....
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09/20 18:00, , 25F
和中信兄弟打者好像,打不出牆的打數毫無用處
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09/20 18:02, , 26F
我原本也以為是IFFB的關係 但是後來去看了數據 發現
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09/20 18:02, , 27F
今年他的IFFB其實也不算創新高
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09/20 18:03, , 28F
IFFB也打很多的2015 BABIP還是有.28
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09/20 18:05, , 29F
中職領先全球 彈起來
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09/20 18:06, , 30F
滿好奇ops+不到100的單季最多HR是幾發
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09/20 18:06, , 31F
那只能說明他2015運氣逆天啊
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09/20 18:07, , 32F
一樣他的數據2016IFFB%降了10%,但是BABIP只多1%
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09/20 18:24, , 33F
今年我讓FB盟開始比K了 相信這是未來趨勢
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09/20 18:30, , 34F
OPS+<=100的打者,最多 37 轟
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09/20 18:31, , 36F
1982 Dave Kingman .204/.285/.432
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09/20 18:40, , 37F
Gallo也是FB雙面刃啊
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09/20 18:42, , 38F
本壘板紀律差 又只想往天上打
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09/20 18:42, , 39F
他 babip 低很正常啊= =啊就打了一堆鳥飛要怎麼上壘
09/20 18:42, 39F
還有 31 則推文
09/20 21:40, , 71F
反正打滾地球或平飛球可能被佈陣殺掉,不如開強振求全壘打
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09/20 22:11, , 72F
飛球革命=HR大增 & K爆增,這幾年200K以上的投手也增
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09/20 22:11, , 73F
加不少
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09/20 22:20, , 74F
蛋哥化正夯
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09/20 22:27, , 75F
那不是蛋哥化好嗎...Dunn好歹上壘率很高 常打率也高
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09/20 22:27, , 76F
這篇文章討論的是Hr很多但上壘和長打率都爛的打者
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09/20 23:11, , 77F
還以為在說我鳥的CD
09/20 23:11, 77F

09/20 23:18, , 78F
驚! 把一個打者的安打扣掉他的打擊率是可悲的.000!
09/20 23:18, 78F

09/20 23:57, , 79F
profar在3a打得還可以吧 遊騎兵死都不肯給他機會
09/20 23:57, 79F

09/20 23:58, , 80F
寧願放這隻攻守俱差的二壘手 我也是醉了
09/20 23:58, 80F

09/21 00:01, , 81F
不就因為是二壘手嗎
09/21 00:01, 81F

09/21 00:26, , 82F
Odor剛續了一張六年約,第一年低潮就要放掉(?)
09/21 00:26, 82F

09/21 00:30, , 83F
而且Odor還年輕 前兩年打的也還不錯
09/21 00:30, 83F

09/21 01:25, , 84F
全壘打王Carter勒
09/21 01:25, 84F

09/21 01:28, , 85F
FB三輪選他QQ
09/21 01:28, 85F

09/21 02:00, , 86F
Profar打成這樣 多控制一年有好處?
09/21 02:00, 86F

09/21 02:02, , 87F
Odor不是好打者,是靠別的原因留在打線的,幸福連 major
09/21 02:02, 87F

09/21 02:03, , 88F
都上不了不就證明這件事而已嗎?飛球革命後只有hr 沒obp
09/21 02:03, 88F

09/21 02:03, , 89F
就是沒價值,老了就消失了。
09/21 02:03, 89F

09/21 02:18, , 90F
所以早說了Odor是過客啊 懂?
09/21 02:18, 90F

09/21 03:51, , 91F
一下巡撫一下幸福 弄得我好亂R
09/21 03:51, 91F

09/21 07:30, , 92F
交易的時候會比較有價值
09/21 07:30, 92F

09/21 08:57, , 93F
好極端,這數據真有趣
09/21 08:57, 93F

09/21 11:20, , 94F
Profar真的悲劇 不愛他又不肯放手
09/21 11:20, 94F

09/21 11:23, , 95F
條子沒有不愛他 但給的機會其實真的不少 也是看中他
09/21 11:23, 95F

09/21 11:23, , 96F
的潛力才會一直留著
09/21 11:23, 96F

09/21 11:25, , 97F
Odor滿貫砲
09/21 11:25, 97F

09/21 11:30, , 98F
剛好30轟的滿貫
09/21 11:30, 98F

09/21 11:33, , 99F
30轟滿貫 fantasy愛將 連續兩年選完從頭到尾都沒丟掉XD
09/21 11:33, 99F

09/21 11:33, , 100F
我實在不太懂Profar還要在3A證明什麼 而且2B SS 3B 甚至1B
09/21 11:33, 100F

09/21 11:34, , 101F
的未來也是Gallo 他除了轉OF外未來根本不會有正常先發的
09/21 11:34, 101F

09/21 11:35, , 102F
機會 一直放在3A根本在浪費Profar的青春
09/21 11:35, 102F

09/21 11:51, , 103F
不過講難聽一點,球團沒義務為你想那麼多
09/21 11:51, 103F

09/21 12:14, , 104F
不是要他證明什麼 是因為上面沒有他穩定出賽的機會(
09/21 12:14, 104F

09/21 12:14, , 105F
球隊也並不是沒有給他這種機會) 不如放3A 也不要讓他
09/21 12:14, 105F

09/21 12:14, , 106F
有一場沒一場 9月沒讓他上來 顯然就是要偷他一年
09/21 12:14, 106F

09/21 13:20, , 107F
球員本身會頗煎熬的就是...
09/21 13:20, 107F

09/21 13:57, , 108F
Profar說不定會成為在3A最久但市場最熱薪水開最的FA?XD
09/21 13:57, 108F

09/23 02:39, , 109F
我還以為會出現雷諾哥
09/23 02:39, 109F

09/24 04:45, , 110F
不然日式鳥碰不如去看謎片打手槍
09/24 04:45, 110F
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