[外電] Didi Gregorius-相比Jeter巨大的防守升級

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這篇很好笑,雖然Jeter的防守不好大部分板友都知道 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://goo.gl/AXgV5E Didi Gregorius proving a massive defensive upgrade over Derek Jeter When the New York Yankees acquired shortstop Didi Gregorius from the Arizona Diamondbacks during the winter, it was quite obvious that he was going to be tasked with doing the impossible. While Derek Jeter showed a clear regression during his last few years in the big leagues, replacing one of the greatest to ever play the game at the shortstop position was going to be an almost insurmountable task for a player with relatively limited big league experience . 當Didi Gregorius從亞歷桑納響尾蛇隊轉到紐約洋基時,他有個不可能完成的任務-取代 Derek Jeter.雖然二號隊長在生涯末期有明顯的退化,但是要一個在大聯盟只待兩年多的球 員去取代游擊區史上最偉大的球員之一,根本難以達成. From an offensive perspective, Gregorius hasn’t provided much. He’s reaching base at a .283 clip and is walking at his lowest rate since he was in High-A in the Cincinnati Reds organization back in 2011. A .262 BABIP isn’t helping his case much either, despite a decent 80.5% contact rate. For his money, though, Gregorius hasn’t been much worse than the average American League starting shortstop at the plate, given that the entire league seems to be a black hole in that regard. Gregorius在進攻端能提供的不多.他上壘率只有.283,而他的保送率是自辛辛那提紅人高 階1A以來最低的.雖然他有不錯的打到球的能力(80.5contact rate)但.262BAbip對他沒幫 助.然而,因為聯盟游擊手水準不高,他在進攻端上並沒有離平均水準太多. Where Gregorius has fared quite well in replacing the ol’ no. 2, however, is in the field. And in that regard, he’s blown Derek Jeter completely out of the water. 儘管進攻端不可能比上老二,Gregorius在防守端能完全取代Derek Jeter,甩的遠遠的. A simple eye test of the last couple of years of Derek Jeter’s career revealed a defensive game that was quite obviously deteriorating with age. But what if Jeter was never the elite fielder that he was made out to be? One asks that question because Jeter was, in fact, not the fielder that the stuff of legend might tell you. He was actually nowhere near the level that four Gold Glove Awards might have you believe. 一個簡單的眼力測試可以看出Derek Jeter最後受到年齡的摧殘的防守表現.但如果事實上是 Jeter從來不是一個你以為的頂尖防守員呢?答案是,Jeter並沒有那種傳奇球員應該有的防守 .而且他根本沒有任何地方接近四座金手套的防守水平. FanGraphs only lists defensive statistics since 2002. From that season on until 2014, his final year in the bigs, Jeter posted a positive UZR just one time. He recorded only one season with a positive amount of Defensive Runs Saved a well. Both of those came in 2009. For his career, Jeter fielded to the tune of a -76.1 UZR, with a UZR per 150 games of -7.1. Going by the classifications that FanGraphs has for their various UZR groups, Jeter would rank somewhere between ‘below average’ and ‘poor’ for his career in the field. He had Revised Zone Rating numbers of just .645 and .658 in his final two seasons with the Yankees ,respectively. FanGraphs僅提供2002之後的防守數據.從那時到2014球季,Jeter的UZR只有一次是正的.他的 DRS也只有一次是正的,都發生在2009.生涯看來,Jeter的UZR是-76.1,而UZR/150是-7.1.根 據FanGraphs針對UZR的分類,Jeter會落在"低於平均"跟"差"之間.他最後兩年的Revised Zone Rating只有.645跟.658. The bottom line: Derek Jeter was not a good defender really at any point in his career. His Gold Gloves were defined by highlight reel plays, including perhaps the most overrated catch of all-time (seriously, he caught the ball in fair territory and went flying into the stands after the fact) more than actual statistics and the routine play. In his defense, advanced metrics weren’t as widely used really at any point during his five Gold Gloves. Derek Jeter在生涯任何時候都不是是好防守者.他的金手套是用防守高光定義的,包括也 許是史上最被高估的一接(認真,他在界內區接到球然後飛進觀眾席),而不是數據或基本功. 當然,他拿下金手套時防守數據還沒有被廣泛使用. But while the point here may seem like it’s simply to assassinate the career of Derek Jeter, it’s not. It’s to help drive home the point of how well Didi Gregorius has played the field for the New York Yankees in 2015. 雖然看起來像是在抹殺Derek Jeter的生涯,但這能幫助我們評斷Didi Gregorius在2015紐 約洋基的防守有多好. Despite an Off rating of -8.9, Gregorius has managed to post a 0.4 WAR for the year, due entirely to his defensive skill. His Def rating, according to FanGraphs, is at 4.6. The last time Derek Jeter had a positive figure in that regard was in 2010, and that was just a Def rating of 1.8. 多虧他的防守能力,雖然進攻評價是-8.9,但Gregorius還有0.4WAR.他的防守評價是4.6.上次 Jeter有正面的防守評價是2010,只有1.8. Using UZR to define a player through three months of a season is largely useless, but Gregorius has gone for a UZR per 150 games of 4.0, which has him coming in just about the ‘above average’ portion of the spectrum. There’s certainly a larger range factor in the case of Gregorius as well, who already has 62 Out of Zone plays made. Jeter had 64 all of last year, which was actually his highest mark from 2002 to 2014. 用UZR去評斷三個月的表現很沒意義,但Gregorius的UZR/150是4.0,這使他接近高於平均的水 準.還有一個數據是,Gregorius完成了62個防守區外的守備,而Jeter去年整年是64,實際上 這是2002到2014中最高的一年. The thing is, Didi Gregorius isn’t anything more than maybe a slightly above average defender. He’s at -4 Defensive Runs Saved for the year. His .966 fielding percentage is quite middle-of-the-road. His UZR/150 helps to paint him as just barely near the above average mark. He’s a solid fielder and it’s the basis for his skill set. He can’t hit, but he’s a reliable fielder. The Yankees are one of the worst defensive teams in baseball, with a Defensive Efficiency Rating that ranks in the bottom 10 in baseball, but Gregorius has been largely better than his defensive counterparts in the Bronx. 事實是,Didi Gregorius只是個稍微高於平均的防守者.他今年的DRS是-4.他.966的守備率 是中等.他是個不錯的防守者但就只是這樣.他不能打,但是他的防守還可以信賴.洋基是棒球 中防守最差的球隊之一,防守效率評價在聯盟倒數第10---Gregorius已經比他的防守快樂夥 伴好很多了. And he’s a tremendous defensive upgrade over Derek Jeter. That’s really the point here. Derek Jeter was never quite the defender he was made out to be, but he had been especially rough in the last couple of seasons. Didi Gregorius, while not an elite defender, or even a great one, can fall anywhere between average and above average. Either way, he’s a far larger success in the field than the future Hall of Famer was for the Yankees. 然後他是相比Derek Jeter,一個超級防守升級.這也是這裡的重點.Derek Jeter不是那個你 以為的防守者,最後幾個球季尤其不好.Didi Gregorius其實也不是頂尖防守者,甚至不是很 棒的防守者,他僅落在平均跟高於平均之間.然而,他還是在防守端屌打未來HoFer. It really does beg the question, though, how did Derek Jeter win all of those Gold Glove awards? 所以,Jeter到底是怎麼拿到金手套的? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 就覺得酸Jeter很好笑 雖然我也不是多了解Jeter年輕時的防守 所以覺得冒犯還請不要怪我...都是寫手的錯 我覺得形容那個飛進觀眾席的play形容的很好笑XD -fountainness -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 123.193.214.219 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/MLB/M.1439575362.A.B86.html
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這篇文章寫於六週前,還請不要拿新數據打臉XD
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上面是Jeter接的連結
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這篇還真的沒什麼內容... 不過翻譯辛苦推
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08/15 02:27, , 5F
都有人整年上場守備28場就拿金手套了 Jeter好歹都辛苦
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08/15 02:28, , 6F
jeter在生涯任何時候是好防守者--這句應該是否定的吧？
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感謝指正
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08/15 02:28, , 7F
守一整年 拿個金手套過分嗎
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這是指誰?
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Jeter防守堪用就好 重點是他的棒子以及穩定的出賽率
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絕對是史上最偉大的游擊手之一
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沒否認他是最偉大SS之一啦
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08/15 02:33, , 10F
Jeter的防守有不少年是連堪用都稱不上 幾乎是墊底的程度
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但是Didi的打擊真的差2號很多…
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08/15 02:34, , 12F
04-06那三座GG有一部分原因是A-Rod在三壘範圍更大
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讓Jeter可以偏二壘側一點 橫移/Range一直是Jeter的弱項
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反正NYY的SS打擊爛兩年了 13,14Jeter一年受傷一年打很鳥
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要補上這兩年的SS洞 Didi算是很稱職了
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Didi打擊有在趕進度了 近況不錯 季初根本自殺棒
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奇怪 NYY的防守到底怎麼了 這麼多防守見常的選手
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不就把大家都知道的事情再講一遍而已
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噓
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可以說這篇挑釁雙方球迷造成對立嗎？
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Didi迷跟Jeter迷對立？
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08/15 07:21, , 21F
我覺得這篇還好啦 雖然有點鞭屍ww
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挑釁誰了啊
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都沒人發現第一段是難以嗎XD
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謝謝指正
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Jeter應該是少數臉蛋可以增加守備分數的例子?
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08/15 16:53, , 25F
這是google翻譯嗎？ 看的好難過
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抱歉阿Scape大大,有翻譯不好的地方還請指正建議
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抱歉，只是覺得有些句子很不通順，加油~~~
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可以指正建議嗎...google翻譯程度可以說是很嚴厲的
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指責
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憑棒子拿金手套的阿 這不是大家都知道的事嗎
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嗯阿
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不必在意 不過幸好原PO一開始有說寫於六週前
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因為這六週Didi的OBP超過了.350 這一個月avg.337 XD
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靠臉拿金手套臭了嗎(逃)
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他每一個月攻擊/防守甚或棒球IQ都進步明顯
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像這種小朋友給他放到好的學習環境且打出信心的話
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其實還很難論斷他可以走到哪裡
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這是英文文法跟中文文法轉換的問題呀，像是
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"...差很多,整個聯盟的游擊根本是黑洞." 中文不會有人這樣
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至於Jeter就如上面所說那些是大家都知道的事
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連接句子。 很多都是這種看起來怪怪的地方
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謝謝具體說明,稍作修改了~
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只是單純從UZR/DRS來做為證明愈來愈讓人態度保留了
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了解，因為我都是一句一句翻，下次翻好後會在用中
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文順一次，感謝
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其實Didi表現越好，才能讓蛇迷越相信換包兒是值得
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的，現在看來就老虎比較輸
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查理大是在說蛇蛇不是一個好環境嗎（誤
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UZR這項數據在某些球員兩三個球季會上下大幅變動，而且近年
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其實我正想說原PO可以開個幾場看一下Didi
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他看起來應該跟去年不太一樣了 XD
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又受到移防的影響，個人覺得早就失真了。拿UZR評斷不可靠
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雖然現在還很難論斷是不是全面的升級
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蛇蛇環境如何我不清楚 不過至少在NY這就是給他天天先發
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的機會 然後ARod這批老人應該都滿關心教他滿多的 XD
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辛苦翻譯推！ 防守快樂夥伴XDDDD
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說到這個，可能是Chris Owings上來讓他有一場沒一
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場的
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※ 編輯: fountainNess (61.230.127.96), 08/15/2015 19:49:57
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其實仔細觀察隊長幾場就知道，他守備範圍很小，守不到
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的就棄守，所以守備率很漂亮，但是進階數據就很難看了
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但是他一堆超美技(比如文中提到的那球，或是一大堆空
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中扭腰轉身，還有2001季後賽那個衝到一壘側的轉接之類)
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他的守備就加了不少印象分數，所以我們會覺得他守備"
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"好像"很好
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簡單來說就是關鍵男
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為何jeter去年突然能接到最高次的防守區外球？佈陣？
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話說我記得A-ROD曾經誇獎jeter接需要向後跑得飛球很準，
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不知道有沒有根據，還是場面話?
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miss jeter qq
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PUSH~~
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