[外電] 洋基隊考慮9月實行6人輪值

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Yanks eye expanded rotation for September — and maybe beyond By Joel ShermanAugust The Yankees have a puzzle. They have huge investments and equal-size physical concerns in their rotation. What to do? Pitching coach Larry Rothschild told The Post the Yankees are strongly considering a six-man rotation for September and that it could serve as a precursor for doing it on a longer and larger scale in 2015. Rothschild cautioned that you have to be able to find enough starters to make a six-man rotation feasible and that upper management would have to buy in. And general manager Brian Cashman said that aside from “talking about it” a bit, the organization is not committed to the concept in the short- or long-term. At least not yet. However, Rothschild was passionate about trying. “Absolutely” was the word he used to describe if he was serious about attempting this. And not just because myopically he has to figure out how to get the best out of Masahiro Tanaka and Michael Pineda in September and that duo plus CC Sabathia and, perhaps, Ivan Nova next year. But because he sees the epidemic of pitching injuries, particularly the need for Tommy John surgeries, Rothschild says, “ I think people are going to have to look at a lot of alternatives.” Obviously, there are folks still bemoaning the move from four- to five-man rotations. But we are where we are and we are not going back. More guys throw harder than ever before and more guys break down. The cost in days, dollars and playoff chances lost are large. The organizations that figure out how to keep their starters healthy are going to be king. Consider that 10 teams have used eight or fewer starters this year. All 10 are over .500 and five of the six division leaders have used seven or fewer starters. The average is nine per team, with the Rockies at a major league-high 15 and the Yanks tied for fourth at 12. Amazingly, the Yankees have not been sunk by their rotation. However, Cashman said, if this season were played out 100 times, the Yankees would not have solved their starting pitching problems in a large majority of them. I am not sure. Pitching is better. Hitting is worse. Thus, I believe you can create some starting pitching depth more readily than in the past. But is there a way to keep key guys healthy? Will starting 26-28 times a season and getting extra rest be better than starting 32-34 times in a five-man rotation? I am not sure. But I believe it is worth a try and the Yanks are in perfect position to open this laboratory, especially once rosters expand and they have extra relievers in September. On Sept. 2, they begin a phase of 21 games in 20 days. They also hope that during that period they will work Tanaka back into the rotation. His dubious elbow, Pineda’s problematic shoulder and Hiroki Kuroda’s age give them reason to try to provide extra rest. For next season, taking the huge assumptions Tanaka does not need Tommy John surgery and Sabathia can return from knee surgery, the Yankees have that duo plus Pineda, Shane Greene and, perhaps, a re-signed Brandon McCarthy. That is five. David Phelps and Adam Warren could vie for a sixth spot, at least until Nova returns from Tommy John surgery or Luis Severino, Manny Banuelos or Bryan Mitchell proves ready. Remember, in Japan most teams have off days each Monday, so starters pitch once a week. During the All-Star festivities, Rangers ace Yu Darvish said MLB teams should shift to six-man rotations to replicate the once-a-week style and take stress off elbows. Subsequently, Darvish was shut down with elbow inflammation. Can you convince pitchers with bulldog mentalities (like Sabathia) to pitch in a six-man rotation? Because a six-man rotation likely would mean a six-man pen (rather than seven), a team trying this would need players with options so that they could move relievers, primarily, on and off the roster as needed. As with any new attempt in a game of tradition, there will be criticism, unintended consequences and expected bumps. Still, at least for September, the Yankees should open this lab to see what it looks like, particularly because they have Tanaka and Sabathia signed, potentially, through 2020 and 2017, respectively. “No doubt, you have to see how all the pieces fit,” Rothschild said. “But I think it is something you have to take a look at.” http://ppt.cc/oadF 洋基投手教練Larry Rothschild強烈考慮在9月實行6人輪值,甚至當作明年實行6人 輪值的前導.但是GM Brian Cashman說至少目前尚未決定.Rothschild也說要這樣做 必須要有足夠的投手高層才會買帳. 以下是個人想法: 洋基今年深受SP受傷所苦,改成6人輪值讓SP多休一天是否會改善這個狀況?要多一個 SP代表牛棚或是野手名單就會少一個人,因為可以多休一天,提高SP的投球數由100球 到120球是可以減輕牛棚的負擔,但是這就會增加失分的機率,外加上第6號SP的壓制力 更差,真的有單一球隊願意這麼做嗎?除非有人先試驗,然後發現前幾號SP因為多休一 天受傷機率減小外,也表現得更勇猛,這樣才會有其他球隊效法吧? 其實我覺得多一個SP對聯盟比賽精采性或許也有幫助,最近投手越來越強,讓打擊可以 多得點分又可以保護投手,似乎也不錯~ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 61.63.114.185 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/MLB/M.1408776341.A.679.html

08/23 14:46, , 1F
果然有人把達爾的話聽進去了XD
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08/23 14:47, , 2F
五人輪值對長遠發展不見得是好事情
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※ 編輯: phairst (61.63.114.185), 08/23/2014 14:52:34

08/23 14:52, , 3F
把前幾號的場次分給6號投 會不會球隊爆更慘XDDD
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08/23 14:55, , 4F
這樣可以讓小聯盟某些投手有機會出頭天
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08/23 14:55, , 5F
其實就把25人改成28人給小聯盟選手機會說不定更好
08/23 14:55, 5F

08/23 14:56, , 6F
不如跟聯盟高層反應把25人名單擴編吧
08/23 14:56, 6F

08/23 15:05, , 7F
改登錄人數滿合理的,近代一直受傷
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08/23 15:06, , 8F
要不是田中爆炸也不會想到這些...
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08/23 15:10, , 9F
近代投手球速越來越快 受傷風險當然相對也提高許多
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08/23 15:11, , 10F
25人名單是美國說改就能改的嗎
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08/23 15:11, , 11F
只不過對球隊來講 王牌投手能上的場數就會少5~6場
08/23 15:11, 11F

08/23 15:12, , 12F
不過用球數可以增加
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08/23 15:15, , 13F
然後很多球隊5號都已經是可有可無了 何況再生個6號出來
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08/23 15:28, , 14F
那如果6人輪值ACE受傷了怎麼辦? 維持更弱的6人輪值嗎?
08/23 15:28, 14F

08/23 15:37, , 15F
6人輪值等於是1年要有二十幾場要給最弱的先發
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08/23 15:38, , 16F
也沒那麼多吧.畢竟有時會off
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08/23 15:38, , 17F
我也贊成28人名單 25人實在太少
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08/23 15:39, , 18F
也許幾十年後,講五人輪值還會被人家笑是殺豬公,等著看
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08/23 15:42, , 19F
不過老實講 這點對每支球隊都一樣 還是比誰戰力強
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08/23 15:55, , 20F
增加6號先發不如擴充25人名單讓可用的RP增加吧 維持投
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08/23 15:56, , 21F
一休四王牌才能更多上場 找堪用的RP也比SP簡單一些
08/23 15:56, 21F

08/23 15:57, , 22F
或許可以讓教練少燒一點手臂 用球數不用那麼多
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08/23 16:00, , 23F
你沒有六號 先發還是操阿xd
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08/23 16:00, , 24F
六號+28人
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08/23 16:01, , 25F
有人長期研究追蹤mlb和jpn先發模式受傷機會嗎?不然也是印
08/23 16:01, 25F

08/23 16:01, , 26F
象派吧
08/23 16:01, 26F

08/23 16:01, , 27F
投一休四應該不是問題 是用球數的問題 可以用多一點RP
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08/23 16:02, , 28F
來cover阿 5號SP都不太堪用了 30隊都用6人輪值行嗎
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08/23 16:04, , 29F
研究mlb和jpn先發模式受傷機會應該可以寫成論文了
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08/23 16:04, , 30F
有辦法證明120球投一休五跟100球投一休四的受傷機率嗎?
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08/23 16:04, , 31F
否則是以什麼為前提來討論
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08/23 16:07, , 32F
想知道120球投一休五比較不容易受傷的來源+1
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08/23 16:09, , 33F
你投一休四 就算場上局數少 場下也還是要練投 如果持
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08/23 16:09, , 34F
續有在先發 還不如多休一天
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08/23 16:11, , 35F
雖然休太久也容易受傷 但五天應該不會有休太久的問題
08/23 16:11, 35F

08/23 16:13, , 36F
6人沒什麼阿 洛磯之前不是有陣子4人輪值
08/23 16:13, 36F

08/23 16:15, , 37F
不過遇到賽程不密集的時候 牛棚日可能就無法避免了
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08/23 16:37, , 38F
6人輪值 王牌上場場次減少 但若實驗成功 總比王牌受傷
08/23 16:37, 38F

08/23 16:38, , 39F
也許一整年都上不了場好吧 當然這一切也都只是猜想而已
08/23 16:38, 39F

08/23 16:39, , 40F
沒意義 會受傷就是會受傷 又沒刻意去操
08/23 16:39, 40F

08/23 16:43, , 41F
這問題在要不要變 和有沒有人試過和實際測過而已
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08/23 16:45, , 42F
120球休五天跟100球休四天 受傷機率的研究還未有定論吧
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08/23 16:46, , 43F
兩個聯盟也沒有兩種輪值方式都實驗過
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08/23 16:47, , 44F
MLB和NPB
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08/23 16:47, , 45F
就是因為這一年投手開TJ的個案有點多
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08/23 16:48, , 46F
所以才會有要不要試試看六人輪值的聲音 看會不會比較好
08/23 16:48, 46F

08/23 16:49, , 47F
這種case 不實際試試看也很難有甚麼研究可以定論
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08/23 16:52, , 48F
會受傷就的就是會受傷? 無意義? 神邏輯?
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08/23 16:53, , 49F
連試都不試XD
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08/23 16:58, , 50F
我不認為25人名單會有6號SP佔著的空間~洋基會想嘗試~
08/23 16:58, 50F

08/23 16:58, , 51F
也只是因為9月有40人名單可以運用
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08/23 16:59, , 52F
再加上~目前洋基並沒有很明確誰是Ace,多休一天也無妨
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08/23 17:02, , 53F
有人沒試過就知道結論也很厲害
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08/23 17:03, , 54F
乾脆7個投手 一次投150球好了
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08/23 17:19, , 55F
洋基居然變成實驗新觀念的球隊 這樣就不豪門了 哀哀
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08/23 17:45, , 56F
更別說SP不好養 第五號通常是炸彈 變六人輪值不就變2個炸彈
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08/23 18:00, , 57F
會受傷就是會受傷??? 根本神邏輯
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08/23 18:11, , 58F
這算達爾教信徒嗎?~@@
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08/23 18:12, , 59F
多個不太能吃長局數的6號還不是讓牛棚累
08/23 18:12, 59F

08/23 18:12, , 60F
美國要改很簡單吧 你當人家也是草創野球?
08/23 18:12, 60F

08/23 18:34, , 61F
9月擴編才能這樣玩吧
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08/23 18:38, , 62F
不是不可能增加 想想上古時代是一人輪值甚至三人輪值
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08/23 18:41, , 63F
乾脆先從小聯盟開始實驗好了
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08/23 20:06, , 64F
那洋基順便把達爾也買下來吧
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08/23 20:28, , 65F
其實達爾沒入札金只算合約根本超划算超便宜的好嗎....
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08/23 20:28, , 66F
道奇隊:
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08/23 21:05, , 67F
我是覺得6號讓小聯盟新秀輪替會不會比較好
08/23 21:05, 67F

08/23 21:06, , 68F
我覺得可以讓墊底球隊試試看 不合就改回來吧
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08/23 21:18, , 69F
這種東西沒試個一二十年能有解答嗎?
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08/23 21:40, , 70F
可能是為了田中
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08/23 21:59, , 71F
洋基牛棚都抖抖了還玩六人輪值.......認真的?
08/23 21:59, 71F

08/24 00:18, , 72F
真的這樣田中明年25WOL
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08/24 00:56, , 73F
洋基從哪邊找六個人來輪值......
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08/24 01:09, , 74F
想想看兩隊6號先發的對決!!!一想到這牛棚就要挫咧但了...
08/24 01:09, 74F

08/24 10:28, , 75F
洋基的牛棚哪裡抖了。另外如果六人輪值也是現在輪值+田中
08/24 10:28, 75F

08/24 10:29, , 76F
以目前洋基輪值的表現,在加上一個田中,這樣很差嗎?
08/24 10:29, 76F

08/24 10:35, , 77F
尤其是McCarthy到了洋基後根本賽揚上身
08/24 10:35, 77F

08/24 12:30, , 78F
六人輪值會不會造成:投手價值對比野手再次下降?
08/24 12:30, 78F

08/24 18:27, , 79F
近代本來就已經趨向堅守固定五人輪值 除非有必要場合
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08/24 18:27, , 80F
已經很少因為ACE級的耐操獲勝率高就刻意讓他多上
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