Should a Triple Crown guarantee an MVP Award?

看板MLB作者時間11年前 (2012/10/04 23:27), 編輯推噓18(27推 9噓 31→)
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http://tinyurl.com/8qenbjx It's called the Most Valuable Player Award. There is no single statistic for a hitter that guarantees that he has been the most valuable player in his league. 這叫最有價值球員 沒有單一的數據可以直接保證某人是最有價值球員 If a player hits 60 home runs, you might guess he's the most valuable player in the league and most of the time you would probably be right. But what if he also batted .235, drew 40 walks, and played a really crummy first base? Don't you think there might then be a more valuable player in the league? 如果有人打了60轟 你可能會猜他是最有價值球員 而很多時候你是正確的 但如果他打擊率只有.235 40保送 守一壘很爛呢? If a player bats .400 -- nobody's done that since 1941! -- you might guess he's the most valuable player in the league and most of the time you would probably be right. But what if he rarely walked, nearly all of his hits were single, and he was a slow left fielder? Don't you think there might then be a more valuable player in the league? 如果有人打了四割 你可能會猜他是最有價值球員 而很多時候你是正確的 但如果他是很少保送 守左外野很慢的水槍呢? If a player is the best hitter in his league and plays really well for a really good team that comes on strong down the stretch to grab a playoff spot, you might guess he's the most valuable player in the league and most of the time you would probably be right. But what if he was a pretty lousy third baseman? And what if there was another player in the league, who was far superior on the bases and with the glove, and a brilliant hitter, and played for a team that actually won more games than our big-hitting third baseman? 如果有人是聯盟最好打者 而他的球隊進季後賽 你可能會猜他是最有價值球員 而 很多時候你是正確的 但如果他守三壘很爛呢? 而如果同時又有一位球員 在防守和跑壘都遠勝於他 又是強打者 球隊勝率還比強打三壘更高呢? Ah, but none of that matters. Because our third baseman happened to lead his league in batting average. And home runs. And runs batted in. And suddenly, everyone who's railed against using statistics to determine things like awards, while insisting on the importance of the little things -- you know, little things like running fast and making spectacular plays in center field -- suddenly, they're all arguing that we should forget about those little things and instead fetishize a few of the most raw, basic, old-fashioned statistics. 這些都不要緊 因為我們的三壘手是打擊王 全壘打王 打點王 突然間 那些討厭數據的開始用數據來決定獎項了 反觀他們一向強調的基本功 - 你知道的 跑壘 防守那些 - 突然間 他們要我們忘了這些基本功 轉而崇拜那幾個基本的 粗糙的古老數據 Hey, I gave it a shot. And I almost made it through the whole thing without mentioning w.a.r. even once. 哈 我可沒提過WAR喔 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.112.25.133
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10/04 23:28, , 1F
還來啊
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10/04 23:30, , 4F
看到標題就知道是abc
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10/04 23:31, , 5F
戰囉~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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10/04 23:34, , 6F
還來啊
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10/04 23:34, , 7F
http://0rz.tw/u9RrN 這篇比較好～
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10/04 23:39, , 8F
魚餌下來了www
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10/04 23:39, , 9F
藉這問一下喔~我常看到米糕守3B撲接或跳接的美技
10/04 23:39, 9F
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10/04 23:40, , 10F
請問米糕守3B真的有這麼爛嗎?
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10/04 23:41, , 11F
..........這話題是要講多久
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10/04 23:41, , 12F
美技多不代表守的好..
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10/04 23:46, , 13F
美技不等於守備好，守備真的很好的人，看起來都很簡單
10/04 23:46, 13F
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10/04 23:47, , 14F
就像以前 Jeter 很多人看他空中挺腰覺得他超帥的
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10/04 23:47, , 15F
但久了才發現, 靠近中線一點的球, 他根本攔都攔不到..
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10/04 23:49, , 16F
Jeter的問題是三壘側的球 中間不管是哪個游擊都差不多
10/04 23:49, 16F
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10/04 23:50, , 17F
而且miggy真的有常常美技嗎 web gems好像沒幾次
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10/04 23:50, , 18F
風扇哥也有很多美技啊 可是他守備怎麼樣.......
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10/04 23:50, , 19F
war想搬給誰就誰吧 十年後要是發現算法要更新 就再取消
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10/04 23:50, , 20F
Miggy很多美技的球可能在其他三壘手來說都不會是美技XD
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10/04 23:51, , 21F
補搬就好
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10/04 23:51, , 22F
我也覺得很神奇 平常根本很少會特別去強調今年打擊王是XXX
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10/04 23:52, , 23F
-.- 支持米糕但其實trout了話我也沒話說 不過越講越煩捏~
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10/04 23:53, , 24F
打點王是XXX的 舉例來說 不看數據應該很少人知道國聯這三
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10/04 23:55, , 25F
問題現在他就不是只拿打擊王或打點王啊
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10/04 23:56, , 26F
個獎是誰榜首吧 對很多人這三個獎搞不好還不如一個OPS王
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10/04 23:57, , 27F
很多人是誰 ?
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10/05 00:00, , 28F
歹勢，OPS王也是卡布，你到底想說甚麼?
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10/05 00:06, , 29F
我知道OPS王是卡布啊 我的意思是為什麼"三冠王"這個頭銜
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10/05 00:06, , 30F
不高興可以去搬個WAR獎 可是米糕要拿的叫MVP
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10/05 00:07, , 31F
就一定壓得過Trout在跑壘和守備的巨大優勢呢??
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10/05 00:07, , 32F
老虎少了卡布贏的了白襪嗎? 天使少了Trout還是只贏水手
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10/05 00:12, , 33F
樓上這句是昨天那篇文章最關鍵的一句
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10/05 00:16, , 34F
MLB只把那些獎當成一個頭銜 結果拿了三個頭銜的人反而可以
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10/05 00:18, , 35F
無視其他數據 成為無庸置疑的MVP??
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10/05 00:21, , 36F
所以三冠王的數據就不是數據 只有那個ＷＡＲ才是數據?
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10/05 00:23, , 37F
不過WAR也知道Trout本季表現較好吧 Trout連OPS+都贏
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用
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10/05 00:24, , 39F
天使少了Trout還是只贏水手又不是他的問題...
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10/05 00:25, , 40F
比打擊Cabrera都贏不了了 其他更不用說
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為什麼不說米糕有了肥王子和A-Jax戰機還是輸天使
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能argue的點只有多打一個月
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10/05 00:26, , 43F
你要不要開一個專區?
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10/05 00:27, , 44F
同樣的說法 天使有普神 4張ACE投手 分區只贏一隊?
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10/05 00:41, , 45F
普神今年是普人
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10/05 00:43, , 46F
OPS+ 148小降成141 有差很多嗎
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10/05 00:46, , 47F
那不算小降吧 差了7耶
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10/05 01:03, , 48F
這年頭的投手..能扛到四割也很難是把水槍
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你不煩我都煩了 都討論到快爛掉的東西
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提到戰績 天使的勝場可比老虎多一場...
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10/05 02:00, , 51F
講的非常有道理，但是卡布還是會拿到MVP。
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10/05 02:16, , 52F
無聊耶....根本就是廢文了
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10/05 02:33, , 53F
無聊,反正Trout一定是mvp
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比打擊卡布贏不了 哈哈
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10/05 02:37, , 55F
好無聊 這ID都PO這種文章 推文就變這樣
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10/05 03:01, , 56F
一個這麼重要的話題,不能一直po相關才奇怪吧?
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10/05 07:58, , 57F
所以基本功好就保證MVP?
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10/05 08:48, , 58F
貼一下Dave Cameron最近那篇就直接打噓文的人的臉了
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10/05 08:50, , 59F
私心給卡布 不論今年3冠王 光看他前幾年成績該給他個MVP了
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10/05 12:16, , 60F
他這幾年表現都很好很穩定,可是竟然沒有MVP,好可憐喔,應
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10/05 12:18, , 61F
該給他當作補償啦
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10/05 12:20, , 62F
給他補償 那之後名人堂可以不投他嗎? 反正補償過了
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10/05 15:39, , 63F
每天要PO幾篇啊 煩死了= ="
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真的無聊透頂 這2個誰得不是都OK?何必刻意去吹捧某人
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補個噓
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喔
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煩不煩
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