[情報] 最好和最差的游擊手的差異

看板MLB作者時間12年前 (2012/03/23 23:52), 編輯推噓27(27025)
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http://tinyurl.com/6qap3qa 根據防守聖經的統計 去年最好的游擊手是Brendan Ryan,守下了18分 最差的游擊手是Derek Jeter,多丟了15分 Jeter防守差不是新聞,問題是,到底是差在哪? “To the second base side — the side where more grounders are hit — the average shortstop fielded 65 percent over that area. Interestingly, Ryan and Jeter — the best and worst defensive shortstops in the league — had essentially the same percentage. Ryan was league average, at 65, and Jeter was at 64. “Why did Jeter finish last at his position? Let’s look to other side of the line and break it down [by segments]. On balls hit to the third base-shortstop hole, MLB shortstops averaged 82 percent on balls hit to that [nearest] 7-foot slice. Ryan was at 86 and Jeter was at 73. You go another 7 feet to the right and the average is 61, with Ryan at 78 and Jeter at 40. Go another 7 feet and the average is 34 with Ryan at 56 and Jeter at 16. Go even deeper in the hole, where the average is just 8 percent, Ryan is at 13 and Jeter is at 0. He can’t make that play at all. Essentially, the whole difference between the best and worst shortstops was on balls hit to their right.” 往二壘方向的防區 Jeter的表現和Ryan所差無幾,都可以守住65%左右的球 但在三游防線就出現重大差異 在最接近的七呎區,Ryan可以守住86%,但Jeter就只能守住73% 再過去七呎,Ryan可以守住78%,而Jeter只有40% 再七呎,Ryan還有56%,Jeter只剩16% 在最遠的洞,Ryan還能守下13%,而Jeter已經進入0的領域 原來,最好和最差的游擊手的差異,是在於右邊處理球的能力阿 -- Jeter的反手跳傳果然很能騙人阿 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.112.25.133

03/23 23:55, , 1F
因為那是招牌
03/23 23:55, 1F

03/23 23:56, , 2F
右邊都給阿肉收了 當然輪不到他
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03/23 23:58, , 3F
那個被三壘手接到的應該就不會算在分母裡面...
03/23 23:58, 3F

03/24 00:00, , 4F
0的領域xd
03/24 00:00, 4F

03/24 00:02, , 5F
王勝偉也會
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03/24 00:02, , 6F
沒有算一下 Ozzie Smith 之類的妖怪可以有幾 %
03/24 00:02, 6F

03/24 00:08, , 7F
突然想到之前常用的梗 <---Je--->
03/24 00:08, 7F

03/24 00:12, , 8F
<0>
03/24 00:12, 8F

03/24 00:12, , 9F
之前就有人講過類似的事情, Jeter 幾年前防守數據進步的
03/24 00:12, 9F

03/24 00:13, , 10F
主因是右邊多了一個前金手套游擊手幫他 cover
03/24 00:13, 10F

03/24 00:13, , 11F
如果我沒記錯, Jeter 生涯初期往左的數據也超爛, 變成現
03/24 00:13, 11F

03/24 00:14, , 12F
在這種形態就是因為 A-Rod 加入洋基影響 Jeter 的站位
03/24 00:14, 12F

03/24 00:25, , 13F
以前Jeter好像是往二壘側比較爛?
03/24 00:25, 13F

03/24 00:25, , 14F
還要看說這裡講的是絕對還相對位置
03/24 00:25, 14F

03/24 00:27, , 15F
零的領域才強!!!
03/24 00:27, 15F

03/24 00:28, , 16F
Jeter: 我防區都cover到一壘和本壘了, 三壘讓一點有差嗎?
03/24 00:28, 16F

03/24 00:29, , 17F
說到左右邊的夥伴 請問旁邊的人防守太強會讓其他人防守
03/24 00:29, 17F

03/24 00:29, , 18F
數據被壓縮嗎?
03/24 00:29, 18F

03/24 00:34, , 19F
外野的進階數據會被左右太強影響
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03/24 00:44, , 20F
丁:用大車輪跳傳你們就看不出來了齁~
03/24 00:44, 20F

03/24 01:07, , 21F
再過去七呎40%;再七呎16%;再七呎A-Rod:你再過來我要叫了
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03/24 01:24, , 22F
乾脆算內野有四個oz會怎麼樣好了(誤
03/24 01:24, 22F

03/24 01:56, , 23F
四個ozXD
03/24 01:56, 23F

03/24 01:59, , 24F
有時候三壘手就接走了.........
03/24 01:59, 24F

03/24 02:08, , 25F
個人覺得A-Rod的防守OK啊 Jeter的右手邊就輕鬆了
03/24 02:08, 25F

03/24 02:12, , 26F
以他的年紀 不要太苛求
03/24 02:12, 26F

03/24 02:21, , 27F
年紀不是防守爛的藉口啊!多的是年輕肉體搶著要進MLB....
03/24 02:21, 27F

03/24 02:22, , 28F
他有腿的問題 習慣性多往二壘方向站 Torre的書有提過
03/24 02:22, 28F

03/24 02:25, , 29F
可惜了AROD的游擊炮
03/24 02:25, 29F

03/24 03:49, , 30F
最爛是多掉十五分...這樣算多還是少?
03/24 03:49, 30F

03/24 03:49, , 31F
所以只要能多打15分以上 即使是洞給可以給他站嗎XD
03/24 03:49, 31F

03/24 04:15, , 32F
很多
03/24 04:15, 32F

03/24 07:05, , 33F
假設先發150場,那大概是每10場丟一分,統統打穿游擊
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03/24 07:05, , 34F
的一安,那麼其實一季下來還蠻可觀的(可以這樣回推嗎?
03/24 07:05, 34F

03/24 07:48, , 35F
打擊率有三成 每十場掉一分的話我還是會丟上去用的
03/24 07:48, 35F

03/24 08:21, , 36F
一下往二壘最爛 一下又變成往二遊很讚 這種防守分析沒有
03/24 08:21, 36F

03/24 08:21, , 37F
任何意義
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03/24 08:24, , 38F
反應出來的只是防守站位賭注的成功率 並非選手個人能力
03/24 08:24, 38F

03/24 08:26, , 39F
紐奶子表示:
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03/24 09:52, , 40F
通常在場上 旁邊的隊友守備比你好 都會讓一下的吧
03/24 09:52, 40F

03/24 09:59, , 41F
無論如何 他還是一個偉大的球員
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03/24 10:39, , 42F
範圍小....
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03/24 10:43, , 43F
丁應該就是在洋基退休了 接那個位子的年輕肉體在哪
03/24 10:43, 43F

03/24 10:43, , 44F
我還沒看到
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03/24 10:48, , 45F
好的SS 難尋啊 可遇不可求
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03/24 10:57, , 46F
Jeter:退休後我打算去開閃電霹靂車
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03/24 17:50, , 47F
跟個人能力無關?!真是厲害的推論
03/24 17:50, 47F

03/24 23:56, , 48F
Jeter:我負責帥就好了~
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03/25 01:23, , 49F
長的帥+會把妹=無價
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03/25 10:15, , 50F
我好想念基基以前的二游 美好的時光
03/25 10:15, 50F

03/25 10:21, , 51F
索爺走了之後那精美的MI就不復見了
03/25 10:21, 51F

03/25 23:57, , 52F
帥 有錢 有名聲 又會把妹 夫復何求~~
03/25 23:57, 52F
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