[外電] Terry Francona Not at Fault for Red …

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Terry Francona Not at Fault for Red Sox' Collapse, But Manager's Tone No Longer Fit With Team 大崩潰不能怪Terry Francona,但他帶隊的方式已經不適合這支球隊了 Terry Francona isn't the fall guy here. He was a guy who had run his course as manager of the Red Sox after eight mostly memorable seasons. On Friday, the 44th manager in the history of the Boston Red Sox said all the right things. He talked about the "true colors" of the team, and about the Sox needing a "new voice" to guide the team. He came off as a sympathetic figure. And popular opinion was squarely on his side the morning after. The man who won two World Series championships was no longer the man running the team. But, in grieving over the end of Francona's reign in Boston, don't overlook one very important fact: It was time for a change. Terry Francona並非替死鬼 他已經帶領紅襪度過8個美妙,令人難忘的球季 在星期五,這個紅襪史上第44任的教頭說出了一些事情 說了一些紅襪隊的真實面貌 以及球隊需要一個新的力量來帶領 他看起來像悲劇人物令人同情 而在他發表完談話後,與論紛紛倒向他那邊 帶領球隊贏得兩次世界大賽冠軍的人要離開了 但再因他離開而傷心的同時 不要忘了,該是做改變的時候了 Francona is the ultimate player's manager. He believes in staying out of the way of his players, and expects them to perform in return. It worked in 2004, and again in 2007. It hasn't worked in a while. The Sox haven't won a playoff game in three seasons, and have missed out on the postseason in two straight years for the first time since 2001-2002. I've said time and again that Francona's biggest strength as manager is what he does behind the scenes. Boston is a tough place to play, and can swallow up players. When he first arrived, Francona had to deal with personalities like Manny Ramirez and Pedro Martinez and keep them performing. He did it well. He stayed loyal to players through thick and thin. He kept Dustin Pedroia in as starting second baseman after a sub .200 April, and Pedroia won the Rookie of the Year Award. He stayed with Kevin Millar in September of 2004 long after most fans would've moved on to Doug Mientkiewicz. He stayed with Mark Bellhorn in '04. And David Ortiz in '10. But different players have to be managed differently. You'd like all employees to be disciplined and self-motivated. The truth is, not all are. That's why it's appropriate that it's called "managing" in baseball, not "coaching." You need to manage the personalities assembled on a roster. Millar isn't walking through that door. Somewhere along the way, Francona's methods stopped being effective with the players on his roster. We've heard stories about a clubhouse grown out of control. We've watched pitchers disrespect him on the mound with no repercussions. We're hearing tales of beer drinking in the back room while the game is happening on the field. Francona是很棒的教練,他相信他的球員,不多做干涉 並期待球員會以好表現來回報 這招在2004 2007都有用 但一經一陣子收不到效果了 紅襪已經三年沒贏任何一場季後賽了 連兩年沒進季後賽 這是2001-2002球季以來的第一次 Francona對球隊最大的幫助是表面上看不到的 在波士頓打球並不容易 他剛來波士頓時就要面對如 Manny Ramirez 和 Pedro Martinez 這類有"個性"的球員 要想辦法讓他們乖乖打球 而他做得很好 他在球員狀況不好時依然相信球員 在Dustin Pedroia四月打出0.200的打擊率後 能然讓他先發,最後他贏了新人獎 在多數球迷早就支持Doug Mientkiewicz之下 他還是相信Kevin Millar(不知這段典故是啥) 他在04年時相信Mark Bellhorn (Mark Bellhorn當年一加入就破了隊史被三振紀錄) (沒記錯的話當年在世界大賽打了支關鍵全壘打,整體表現也比季賽好很多) 以及在10年時相信老爹Ortiz (今年又回春了) 但因材施教是很重要的 球員都自律且積極當然是最好 但事實並非如此 這就是為什麼是"管理"一個球隊,而非"指導"一個球隊 你必須管理多個個體並組成一支團隊 而現在Francona的方法對這支球隊不管用 我們聽到一些球隊脫序的傳聞 看到一些投手在場上不尊敬他,而他沒做出反應(哪幾隻阿?) 我們聽到球員在比賽時在休息室喝啤酒 At some point the manager has to step in and say "no more." If he doesn't have control of his team, he can't expect his team to stay under control. It would seem this team tuned him out long ago. When that happens, and it almost always does in sports, you need a new beginning. There's no way Francona could return to this team in the spring and be a different type of leader. The current group of Red Sox players need a swift kick in the butt. And Tito was not going to be able to deliver it. Francona will go down as the greatest manager in Red Sox history to this point. We will always be indebted to him for what he accomplished in the past. But this is about the future. And if the Sox are going to win in the near future, they needed this change. They need other changes, too. This ownership group has to review everything associated with the team before next season. Scouting, training methods and player contracts all have to be reconsidered. Maybe it's time to only sing "Sweet Caroline" when the Sox are leading in the eighth. That off-season overhaul began last night with a coaching change. Coaching changes are a last resort. They don't happen after championship seasons. They happen when a team fails. This team came up very short of its goals, and whether you like the makeup of the team or not there's no denying the talent assembled on this roster. It will be up to the next manager to bring that talent out of these players. 有時教練必須站出來說"賣鬧阿" 不能沒多插手干預,而自動期待球隊紀律良好 現在看起來似乎這個球隊早就不鳥他的指示了 當這種情形發生時,這在運動隊伍中很常見 你需要一個新的開始 Francona不可能明年就突然轉換風格 這批球員需要有然來凶一下,嚇嚇他們 而Francona不是這種調調 他以一個紅襪史上最偉大教練的身分離職 大家非常感激他所成就的 但這跟未來有關,若紅襪想在近幾年還有做為 就必須改變 不只改變教練,上層的老闆已經開始檢視紅襪體系相關部分 球探,訓練方法,球員合約... 或許是只在八局還領先時唱 "Sweet Caroline"的時候了 (本來是每場唱) 季後"拯救紅襪"行動從換教練開始打響了第一炮 換教練是一件大事,若球隊奪冠的話絕不會換 換是因為球隊表現讓人失望 本季表現離目標冠軍遠的很 大家都同意這支球隊由許多頂級球員組成 就看下個教練能將球隊帶到什麼地步囉 http://www.nesn.com/2011/10/terry-francona-not-at-fault-for-red-sox-collapse-but-managers-tone-no-longer-fit-with-team.html =============================== 拜託不要換掉Theo Epstein就好 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 114.36.59.10
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10/02 17:34, , 1F
嚼嚼有沒有考慮來西岸,Wedge帶的這麼爛都不會被火
10/02 17:34, 1F
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10/02 17:34, , 2F
淚推粉柯南......
10/02 17:34, 2F
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10/02 17:35, , 3F
不要換掉Theo+1 我覺得找不到更好的了.....
10/02 17:35, 3F
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10/02 17:36, , 4F
看有哪些投手會被噹，另外後繼的教練能陣的住嗎？
10/02 17:36, 4F
※ 編輯: hpttme 來自: 114.36.59.10 (10/02 17:38)
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10/02 17:45, , 5F
粉柯南帶對真的不錯，詛咒也是他破的
10/02 17:45, 5F
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10/02 17:46, , 6F
不過紅襪真的感覺要大破大立了，連粉柯南都帶不動
10/02 17:46, 6F
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10/02 17:46, , 7F
有問題的球員趁機解決吧，不然新教練照樣沒辦法
10/02 17:46, 7F
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10/02 17:49, , 8F
紅襪的問題似乎很嚴重 球員私下不相挺 不甩總教練
10/02 17:49, 8F
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10/02 17:50, , 9F
連老闆似乎也不挺Tito...有興趣的版友
10/02 17:50, 9F
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10/02 17:50, , 10F
可以參考小弟在紅襪板的po文
10/02 17:50, 10F
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10/02 17:52, , 11F
好幾個當選過最佳總教練的都被自家球迷幹到烽火連天
10/02 17:52, 11F
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10/02 17:53, , 12F
反倒是戰績差的隊版 幹聲比較少
10/02 17:53, 12F
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10/02 17:55, , 13F
北極+光頭?
10/02 17:55, 13F
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10/02 17:56, , 14F
因為Millar的守備實在超爛 而且打擊也沒多好
10/02 17:56, 14F
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10/02 17:59, , 15F
嚼嚼有點鄉愿 棒球到最後是勝敗論英雄的....
10/02 17:59, 15F
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10/02 18:00, , 16F
可憐的嚼嚼 雖然我不喜歡紅襪 但他真的是很好的教練
10/02 18:00, 16F
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10/02 18:04, , 17F
倒是希望高層能拿出作為，把起內鬨的全拿去交易/DFA了
10/02 18:04, 17F
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10/02 18:07, , 18F
目前被影射的人有北極和光頭...要交易或DFA這兩個...
10/02 18:07, 18F
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10/02 18:10, , 19F
可惜Ozzie去馬林魚了
10/02 18:10, 19F
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10/02 18:10, , 20F
如果他來紅襪當教練不知道會不會比較好(因為很兇)
10/02 18:10, 20F
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10/02 18:10, , 21F
進入黑暗期也OK，先把腫瘤給割了再來談復健吧
10/02 18:10, 21F
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10/02 18:14, , 22F
Ozzie來紅襪的話可能會三不五時跟光頭嗆...
10/02 18:14, 22F
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10/02 18:16, , 23F
振總
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10/02 18:18, , 24F
那席林前幾天說的是真的囉？
10/02 18:18, 24F
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10/02 18:20, , 25F
都是大牌的球隊不好帶阿 隔壁吉總這兩年頭髮白這麼多...
10/02 18:20, 25F
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10/02 18:21, , 26F
發球姬適合當老大嗎? 球員都很力挺阿XD~~ 北極就....(?亂源
10/02 18:21, 26F
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10/02 18:29, , 27F
Francona是破魔咒的人，小熊應該考慮一下
10/02 18:29, 27F
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10/02 18:32, , 28F
嚼嚼應該很搶手吧
10/02 18:32, 28F
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10/02 18:35, , 29F
以Francona的資歷,是他考慮要去哪隊,而不是哪隊考慮要他吧
10/02 18:35, 29F
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10/02 18:38, , 30F
嚼嚼和Theo一起去小熊有沒有搞頭?
10/02 18:38, 30F
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10/02 18:40, , 31F
好聚好散~
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10/02 18:45, , 32F
比賽時在休息室喝啤酒...
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10/02 18:46, , 33F
吉總本來就白頭髮了，其實他很年輕的
10/02 18:46, 33F
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10/02 18:47, , 34F
很多人天生犯賤 對他好沒用 只能用逞罰對待 愛的教育不可靠
10/02 18:47, 34F
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10/02 18:47, , 35F
其實洋基是管很嚴的，連鬍子不能留、耳環都不能戴了
10/02 18:47, 35F
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10/02 18:48, , 36F
北極會不會是因為喝啤酒所以看不到捕手比啥啊?每次都等很久
10/02 18:48, 36F
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10/02 18:49, , 37F
甚至連頭髮也要剪短，洋基簡直像個軍隊
10/02 18:49, 37F
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10/02 18:56, , 38F
小熊+1
10/02 18:56, 38F
還有 24 則推文
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10/02 19:58, , 63F
只是目前球員不適合他的做法了 不是他走就是球員走
10/02 19:58, 63F
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10/02 19:59, , 64F
只是職業比賽 通常都是... 教練走XDDD
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10/02 20:07, , 65F
Francona沒有能力帶領球隊走出泥淖 他也拿不出領導力
10/02 20:07, 65F
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10/02 20:08, , 66F
我實在看不出來 球員不聽總教練的 是誰應該負責??
10/02 20:08, 66F
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10/02 20:09, , 67F
如果有一天 有個軍隊指揮官說我部下的旅長 營長不聽話
10/02 20:09, 67F
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10/02 20:09, , 68F
所以打了敗仗 你能接受這樣的說法嗎??
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10/02 20:09, , 69F
軍隊有軍規跟紀律，球隊嘛...
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10/02 20:10, , 70F
如果他之前用同樣方法帶兵連勝好幾大場.那就能接受他的說法
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10/02 20:11, , 71F
我講很難聽的 如果能贏 不會有人管他怎麼帶
10/02 20:11, 71F
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10/02 20:11, , 72F
彷間相當多成功人士的書 方法各有不同 相同點是:他成功了
10/02 20:11, 72F
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10/02 20:12, , 73F
如果不能贏 講什麼都沒有用 還是不要說太多理由比較好
10/02 20:12, 73F
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10/02 20:13, , 74F
軍隊有軍規跟紀律，球隊嘛... <= 你可以問 Jim Leyland
10/02 20:13, 74F
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10/02 20:17, , 75F
Theo 該走人了... 不然乖乖當Scouting就好
10/02 20:17, 75F
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10/02 20:33, , 76F
Jeter跟Mo都是很自律的人，又有成績後盾~
10/02 20:33, 76F
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10/02 20:36, , 77F
軍隊有軍法 棒球你要怎辦 冰大牌?? 我看季中就掰了
10/02 20:36, 77F
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10/02 20:39, , 78F
拿軍隊跟球隊比?XD 軍隊有軍法 球隊你是要用
10/02 20:39, 78F
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10/02 20:39, , 79F
粉科南跟Theo 一起去小熊 2015年就拿冠軍
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10/02 20:40, , 80F
兄弟十三戒嗎
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10/02 20:49, , 81F
為什麼連這個也能扯到兄弟
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10/02 21:05, , 82F
看起來像是帶兵風格太鬆散 球員過太爽的感覺
10/02 21:05, 82F
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10/02 21:15, , 83F
西瓜表示:
10/02 21:15, 83F
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10/02 21:19, , 84F
球隊你可以辱罵球員啊 罵大聲點口水噴到球員瞼上應該就有
10/02 21:19, 84F
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10/02 21:20, , 85F
吃不完的官司跟記者包圍著你啦 尤其在美國 穩死a啦 科科
10/02 21:20, 85F
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10/02 21:21, , 86F
光芒不太一樣,年輕人,都要未來合約努力,不拚就會消失了
10/02 21:21, 86F
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10/02 21:23, , 87F
Joe Maddon風格也偏向放任啊（至少從今年九月以來是）
10/02 21:23, 87F
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10/02 21:23, , 88F
西瓜要他們放鬆點，剛好磁場對了
10/02 21:23, 88F
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10/02 21:27, , 89F
球員名氣可以大教練(大牌) 小兵名氣能大過將軍?
10/02 21:27, 89F
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10/02 21:28, , 90F
球名們喜歡這名球員 有聽說百姓擁戴小兵?
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10/02 21:29, , 91F
軍隊 跟球隊比.....有打過球嗎?
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10/02 21:48, , 92F
光芒沒啥大牌 放鬆管用
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10/02 21:53, , 93F
有些倚老賣老 年輕點的就默默做自己的事 還被說獨善
10/02 21:53, 93F
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10/02 21:53, , 94F
其身?
10/02 21:53, 94F
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10/02 22:04, , 95F
忽然發現洋基跟Jeter的新約雖然有點貴有點長 但是還是有些
10/02 22:04, 95F
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10/02 22:04, , 96F
看不到的價值在裡面的
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10/02 22:33, , 97F
大Z來接總A吧（無誤）
10/02 22:33, 97F
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10/03 00:42, , 98F
要學會當顆好西瓜也不是那麼容易啊
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10/03 01:55, , 99F
哇，進不了季後賽就要被人嘴砲成這樣。
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10/03 01:56, , 100F
這麼擅長分析，應該去應徵沒進季後賽隊伍的教練。
10/03 01:56, 100F
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10/03 16:25, , 101F
Tek如果是安靜的球員 那為啥隊長會是他?
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Lackey, Crawford will go no where but Boston.
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