[問題] 自摸與惡碰
小弟牌齡只有2-3年
很多規則不清楚
想請問2個問題
1. 自摸
牌書上據說自摸是喊自摸以及倒牌才算完成動作
但實務上
是不是把牌放到門前準備倒牌就算
我意思是你沒搶摸也擺好自摸牌了(有喊沒喊有差?)
但還沒倒牌
此時有人說我要胡/碰上家打的那張
可以這樣搞嗎
2. 惡碰
可以惡碰的場到底能多「過分」
譬如牌拿出來了也已收回吃的那張並且排好
但在想打哪張好
結果此時有人說我要碰不給你吃了
理由是因為你還沒打出來
不管你有沒有現完搭或等多長時間
我都可以碰
我自己是覺得硬要講
也許是可以碰(因為我不知道惡碰有沒有底線)
但這種咖的做法
請問是完全沒問題還是牌品問題呢
謝謝
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