[閒聊] Xj9師匠的野區心得
昨天似乎有偷偷開台
但我沒follow 不過早上看到他發了這篇
how is league fun for you guys (assuming u play jungle) and even if not, I'd s
ay it still applies.
不管LOL對大家來說（假設你打JG)有不有趣
我覺這都適用
I can't have fun like I used to playing all kinds of different champs (vi/reks
ai/camille/nocturne/hecarim/zac/kindred/etc.) because the new jungle does too
much damage to do ganks after and/or other champions are miles ahead in terms
of strengths you can't pick them. These other champions aren't just junglers,
it's all the reworked bs champions.
我不能跟以前一樣玩各種不同的英雄否放
(菲愛/雷珂煞/卡蜜兒/夜曲/赫克林/札克...等等以下略)
因為新野怪太痛了 根本無法跟其他能夠領先你刷野的英雄一樣去gank 所以不能選
這些能領先的jg英雄都是重製的拉機鬼扯狗角
Vi is shit because she literally lost 15 movement speed the past 3 seasons. Th
is effects farming times a ton. Also random attack speed nerf and shit just an
noying shes shit imo.
菲愛很爛因為他這三季以來就少了15跑速
這影響農野時間超多
還有幾次的攻速nerf讓他爛上加爛
Rek'sai constant nerfs, wrong nerfs but she's "ok" but the thing is she gets d
estroyed by top tier jungle champions like reksai/graves due to higher burst a
nd cloaking from khazix and graves just doing more damage to melee distance ch
ampions along with armor. Rek'sai also functions very well with chilling smite
but this season challenging smite is best a lot of the time due to the fact t
hat all these reworked champions can 100 - 0 you in a span of 3 seconds.at lvl
3-6.
襪掘機持續削弱，根本亂削但他其實還ok
不過還是被meta角打爆
像是卡力斯或葛砲 前者的高爆發、隱形和後者能對近戰坦克造成更多傷害
雷珂煞很適合藍重 但這季紅重強很久了
這些重製過的英雄在3～6級時可以在三秒內變魔術把你變不見
Camille... Idk why the fuck they nerfed her so much. She was more of a late ga
me champion and they just kept nerfing her and now shes shit, probably shit in
lane now as well.
卡蜜兒...我不想管她媽為啥她一直被nerf
她以前後期更強 然後狂被nerf到現在像大便
可能在線上也是大便了
Nocturne idk, I haven't played him too much but he can do "ok" I guess but meh
. Need to test more.
夜曲不清楚
我還沒玩很多 但他表現應該還ok吧阿災 隨便
需要更多測試
Zac is ok in new jungle but the thing is if enemy AD jungle builds maw you can
't do anything so lol gg you and your shit team you can't carry anymore.
札克在新野區過得還行
但對面的AD型JG出把魔提斯你就啥都不能幹
所以廠廠GG囉你跟你的拉機隊友
這隻沒得carry廢物上分了
Hecarim is shit now. Been shit long time. Ever since trinity force change into
more nerfs. He was the best when trinity gave 20% crit but everyone thinks h
e got stronger due to the cdr when the trade off isn't worth and it was better
to take 15% cdr blues but people are brain dead. Has 0 late game potential, l
osses the late game now. I remember Hecarim used to be the late game champ, ri
p that now he's just a cheese ball gank bot champions wow clever jungling. I'm
very disappointed at peoples inability to see how strong Hecarim was all thos
e years when I played him and then people play him simply because of top lane
and then the trinity force change. So stupid, don't know the champion just a b
unch of idiots speaking like they know what's a buff and what isn't.
赫克林也是爛很久了
從三相被砍開始
20%爆擊對人馬才猛 但每個人都認為拿Cdr很棒
這根本是個鳥交換 而且以前藍的CDR還15%
但大家不用腦
沒爆擊後期根本爛 我記得人馬以前是後期英雄
Rip現在人馬都只會1.gank下路 2.wow這jg很會
我對大家很失望 都不知道這些年來我玩他的時候人馬多猛
然後比賽只會拿他打上路 接著3相被砍
超低能 一堆白痴不懂這英雄在那邊說什麼 ㄝ我知道什麼是buff什麼不是
Kindred is shit because she was designed to be good vs the old jungle but now
the new jungle is so cancer she needs to W 2 times to clear krugz/raptors thos
e camps are impossible for her lol. They need to make her shoot 8 arrows and d
eal 100% more damage to monsters because it takes too long.
鏡爪很爛因為她被設計來打舊野區
現在新的很難打 她需要W兩次來殺六鳥、雙石 根本沒辦法吃
他需要射8隻箭和對野怪造成200%傷害因為真的打太久了
New jungle too cancer. Nerf smite heal which only hurts junglers barely making
it through. Nerf spawn times which only makes less room for come backs and fo
rces you to go up against the enemies even though you are behind, instead of b
eing able to farm up to potentially come back ahead. No instead its linear dec
ision making of get lvl 3 or 4 and then just gank for 1-2 minutes and then do
some noobs camps and gank again meta. Instead of actually being tactical about
when to farm. And if you do choose to farm, you get fucking destroyed until y
ou finish your jungle item that you have to back and can't actually apply pres
sure. If you get counter jungled early and/or die you just lose the game usual
ly due to being too behind because the only champions that can actually counte
r jungle fast and have high hp are the highest tier junglers. Other junglers i
t's an actual risk counter jungling meanwhile these champions are full HP and
have many escapes. Why the fuck do they buff gromp/krugz for no reason? There
reason is "To make it more interesting. We want gromp to have the theme of "b
urst it to deal less damage" and krugz to be "kill the big one and the other o
nes do little damage" like wtf? Krugz got +20 or 30 damage to the big one and
gromp got fuck ton more damage. Why was this change needed? What did it accomp
lish? It just made junglers with no sustain or not as many strengths are top t
ier junglers get destroyed more. O and also the new jungle takes too fucking l
ong to clear. I remember back a season ago I was always a level ahead of my mi
d laner early and now I'm a level behind LOL.
新野區太雷 重擊回血nerf只nerf到原本還勉強能過得去的英雄
Nerf冷卻時間讓你還擊的空間變小
縱使你發育落後還是逼你去面對敵人
而不是先農到你能打
取而代之的是農到3或4等 花一到兩分鐘gank 然後吃個幾攤 再來一次的meta
不能更有戰術地決定何時要農
如果你決定要農 到JG道具做完之前你都沒洨用 給不出壓力
你被早期反野 可能還死了 就大概輸了因為你發育落後
因為只有那些meta角能吃得快血線又維持得好
其他JG反野風險都很大
但meta角們能保持滿血又有逃命技= =
嘴蟾蜍嘴石頭 對排名前面跟後面的角色的差距拉更大
上季總是比對面高一等
這季都落後一等XDD
Top 5 junglers easily lee/khazix/rengar/graves/ivern. why?
前五名JG很容易就選出來
李星卡力斯獅子葛雷夫翠神
Lee/khazix/rengar can get lvl 3 easily doing easy camps and then just roam and
gank lanes and because it's solo Q even though you can ping "THE ENEMY JUNGLE
R IS THERE, DANGER" they will over extend and die and blame no wards even thou
gh you know they are there. So they thrive in this jungle where you get power
spikes and just roam around and don't actually need to jungle, avoiding the ca
ncer design entirely. Even if these champions had to kill krugz/gromp, they ca
n kill them pretty fucking fast. Tbh krugz are cancer they probably just avoid
them. Gromp is easy for khazix/rengar/lee to kill due to their abilities.
李星螳螂獅子3等很好做事 可以去gank
因為這是soloQ
你ping燈說 "敵人在這, 危險 "他們一樣死給你看
他們會很容易到達強勢期 變很肥
根本不用吃野怪所以不用受野區毒害
就算這些英雄得吃蟾蜍雙石還是吃得他媽快
不過還是沒啥人在吃石頭啦太難吃
蟾蜍因為技能組的關係對這三隻很簡單
Graves can just kill every jungle camp in a matter of seconds and stay full hp
. He doesn't have to deal with gromp/krugz or any camps cancer damage and can
just jungle and apply pressure throughout. Also can deal 1500 damage in a span
of 3 seconds and has great item build paths for dueling.
葛雷夫可以很快吃掉每一攤 又維持好狀態
他吃很快又能給壓力也可以在3秒內打1500傷害還有靈活的幹架出裝
Ivern is biggest bs champions I've seen that contradicts riots whole design wi
th the new jungle. He clears camps in 1 second with smite whats the counter pl
ay to that? He doesn't have to deal with any bull shit the new jungle has to o
ffer, the "challenges" as riot puts it. Just instant kills everything or puts
that shit on them goes roams and ganks and goes back and gets massive experien
ce and gold instantly. He doesn't have to do any "decision making" clearing th
e jungle. Why the fuck does the jungle have to have "decision making". It's ju
st fucking kill the monsters. The champions I listed above's decision making i
s to out right ignore them or just do them when u are a lvl or two higher so t
hey deal no damage to you. Graves decision making is constantly kiting the ca
mp, no matter what it is, until it's dead. Again, what does making the camps r
ape junglers that don't have these things going for them? Nothing except make
the game more stale in the jungle.
翠神(埃爾文)是我看過最鬼扯的英雄 跟riot野區改動的理念根本矛盾了
他有重擊一秒吃一攤 這殺小根本無法反制
他也不用被新野區荼毒
遊走gank回來野區直接領一堆錢跟經驗
不用做任何刷野順序的決策 就是吃掉野怪就對了
上面列的那些英雄玩法在你等級比對面高的時候就隨便啦
葛雷夫一直把野怪風箏到死
為啥這些強姦JG的野怪強姦不到這些角色勒 黑人問號
角色一成不變讓新野區變得很沒活力
Just disgusting this game is just barely jungle and just gank 24/7 and walk ar
ound and get lucky because people are stupid in solo Q and think you left when
a jungler playing one of these cheesy fuckers is just going to camp your lane
until they get a kill. O and don't get me started with the classic die and lo
se huge wave, tp to lane, die to jungler again play. That shit is great it rea
lly puts me in the mood to play league ROFL.
這遊戲變得不農怪只要gank
Soloq 一堆智障 他們都以為你走了但你就很智障地一直蹲到殺到為止
別說啦 有的人死了 掉一大波兵 然後TP回線 再被JG蹲死
這很讚 會讓我玩遊戲心情很好 笑死
I'm just incredibly bored of this game. They nerf everything that I did in the
jungle to the point it isn't even viable anymore and all these champions the
masses play are just ignored and left to dominate. Jungle takes less and less
skill as the seasons go as long as you are playing the highest tier champions
at the time. All I play is Shyvana because she's the only champion that can ac
tually clear fast and stay at good hp after 1st clear and apply dragon/turret
pressure as well as have ult up a lot to do ganks. Just a good champion that a
ctually requires skill/thinking to do well, unlike other champions who have th
ese options up at all times and don't require any planning what so ever.
這遊戲變得好無聊
他們把我以前的玩法都nerf到不能玩
玩meta角根本不用腦
我都騎龍女 因為他能農得快第一輪血線高能給塔/龍壓力大絕可以gank
是個需要技術跟思考的好英雄
不像那些無腦角
後面在講他實況的事
還吹了一波臺灣人
RANT ABOUT MY STREAM ---
Btw random rant about my stream but you guys who buy the stream who don't talk
after I answer your questions is just weird tbh. If there is a poor question,
I even explain that it's a bad question and I won't answer (rare, hasn't happ
ened in a while) and the people won't respond after. And the other thing is pe
ople will ask a question, and 90% of the time they don't even say anything aft
er I answered it and that's the whole stream chat ROFL. I say so much during m
y games in hopes that it starts a discussion of tactics but no instead everyon
e is just silent the whole stream. Just funny because a lot of people who buy
the stream go "does he read chat" and I say yes or ally types yes for me and t
hey'll say 1-2 things, and then I never see them type again rofl. It's like wt
f? Funny you'd think the people that bought the private stream would actually
talk and actively talk in the stream chat or make comments about all the funny
moments on stream or the funny jokes/comments I make but no instead its just
awkward silence. Shit like that is reason I didn't usually stream too much in
the past because I wasn't given any motivation due to lack of viewer interacti
on. Instead I get 2-3 people saying "oh I'll resub when you stream more" lol g
ive me a reason to stream more you don't say shit in chat instead you just sit
there awkwardly rip me and my knowledge people pay for stream and don't even
fucking use it to it's fullest. (not the TW people, they watch vods usually a
nd aren't up or just are silent and watch, which I appreciate and understand.
Just if you are there live you shouldn't just be silent after making 1 comment
rofl".
zzz
idk how anyone can play league "for fun" and be 20+ years of age. I fucking pl
ayed this game when I was 15-17 and when I turned 17 I was getting bored as fu
ck. If you play this game idk what to say about you but those who stream this
game 24/7 just care about the money not the game so rip. The random nobodies p
lay the game to feel like they are mimicking their "role model" streamers.
看了這段我想他該向咱們動主播學習學習
重新獲得樂趣
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