Re: [閒聊] 黑切和耳語在砲娘身上性價比
Here shall be my conclusion; I am going to include my thoughts on the data at
hand,and extrapolate it to what I think is a valid overall summary of which
item is better for what situation based on my knowledge of this game.
以上的資料所歸納出來的結論是甚麼?
Like nearly everything else in League of Legends, choosing between The Black
Cleaver is going to be situational. What champion are you using? What is your
playstyle? How well can your team protect you? What kind of armor does your
enemy have? Will you get a chance to attack the squishier members, or are you
always going to have to focus the tank? Can you do some sustained damage, or
must you only poke in order to survive? What does your team need you to do?
你的英雄是哪隻?你的遊戲風格?你的隊伍保你輸出的能力如何?你的對手有沒有疊高物防?
你有沒有機會切對面的薄皮嫩雞?還是你永遠都在打坦?你可以持續輸出嗎?還是你只能以
生存為前提poke?你的隊伍需要你做甚麼?
Before I started finishing this post, I heard CLG's Doublelift talking about
why he prefers to use Last Whisper to The Black Cleaver. He said that, in a
lot of teamfight situations, you’re rarely going to be able to do sustained
damage to one target so that you can get TBC stacks up. Rather, you’re going
to have to rely on your “upfront burst.” When Vayne condemns someone into a
wall, she’s going to want all the armor pen she can get on that target,
since she probably won’t have had the time to build up TBC stacks on it
first. It really depends on the situation.
我要結束這份報告前，我聽大伯里夫特說為什麼他喜歡出耳語而不出黑切，
他是這麼說的：在大多會戰的狀況中，你很少有機會專貓一個來疊黑切，反而你很依賴
“upfront burst.”(瞬間爆發?)
當汎把對手釘在牆上，他需要最多的物穿，但他可能沒有時間出黑切，出了也沒辦法先疊
高。一切都得看狀況。
So, my take on this is that one dependency is on the champion. If you are
playing Vayne, Graves, or Ashe (for example), you are going to want a Last
Whisper so their physical damage spells (Condemn, Buckshot/Collateral Damage,
and Volley, respectively) are going to do more damage when you’re bursting
someone down or poking them. But what about someone like Corki, Tristana, or
Kog’Maw? Only one spell out of the groups’ selection does physical damage,
and that’s Corki’s Gatling Gun; the rest do magic damage. Furthermore,
Trist and Koggy have active and passive attack speed buffs, respectively, so
they can stack up TBC on a target that much quicker. And, of course, Corki’s
armor reduction from Gatling Gun synergizes with more armor reduction, while
reducing the effectiveness of percent-based armor pen. So for these
champions, I’m more likely to choose TBC, as it has synergy with AS and
armor reduction. Basically, the champion you choose can have a great
influence on which of the two items you choose.
所以重點還是取決於你所玩的英雄，如果你玩汎、葛雷夫、艾希，你該買耳語，
因為他們的技能也吃，可以爆發一波。
但是如果你玩庫奇、泡娘、摳個毛，只有一招吃物穿，庫奇有格林機槍，剩下都魔法傷害
。
此外，泡娘和小摳毛都有主動或者被動攻速提升的招式，這樣疊黑切比較快。
而且，庫奇的格林機槍跟黑切相輔相成！切到對面像是沒穿衣服一樣。
對於這些英雄來說，我會選擇黑切，重點就是本身有加攻速或者切防禦的挺適合出黑切。
Most of the rest of the questions I posed should be self-explanatory in
answering which item you should choose. Can your team allow you to do
sustained damage? Are you more likely to focus on one person during the fight
rather than switching targets constantly? Is the enemy, in general, forgoing
armor for damage, health, or MR? Does your team lean towards physical damage,
where they’d benefit from armor reduction? Do you need to take down towers
faster? Then choose The Black Cleaver. Can you only poke? Does the enemy have
more armor than you’d like? Is there a champion with a lot of armor, but
less health? Does your team need you to burst and get out so you survive –
i.e., are they less able to peel enemies from you? Is your role to chunk the
tanks so they can’t peel for their team as well? Well, then, it looks like a
Last Whisper may be more beneficial.
許多剩下的問題不證自知，你的隊伍允許你持續輸出?
你可以在會戰的時候貓同一個人，而不需要一直轉換目標?
對面不疊物防?
你的隊伍傾向物傷輸出，需要有人降對面防?
你需要更快爆塔?
是的話就選擇黑切吧！
你只能poke?
對面狂疊物防?
對手有人只撐防不撐血?
你的隊伍需要你爆發一波之後想辦法活下來就好?
是的話就選擇耳語吧！
It is all situational. With this specific setup, the only time you are going
to absolutely need a Last Whisper over The Black Cleaver is when every member
on the enemy team has over 214 armor, for that is the point at which TBC will
always do less damage, regardless of the time spent auto-attacking. (Though,
even then you could go take towers with TBC a little faster than with a LW.)
Regardless, while there are situations where it is going to be advantageous
to choose one over the other, they both fulfill their role well. I think that
I can debunk the claim that The Black Cleaver is a ‘noob trap’ item, or
even a niche item. I personally feel that it is far superior for Corki over a
Last Whisper, but perhaps you feel differently. A lot of the time, it will
probably be difficult to tell which will do more damage in that specific
situation, so just think on it, and make a conscious effort to decide which
will do the job more effectively.
一切都是一句話：看情況。
只有一個狀況你一定得出耳語，那就是對面的防禦已經超過214了，
超過這個值黑切打出來的傷害永遠比耳語低，不管戰鬥過程多久，
(不過黑切打塔還是比較快)
無論如何，沒有一個選擇永遠比另一個好，端看角色而言。我想我可以終結那些說黑切是
裝飾品或者白癡才會出的道具的流言，
我個人認為小飛機出這把比出耳語好太多了，但你的看法可能不同，
很多時候，很難證明在某些狀況底下出哪一把比較好，
看完這篇分析以後，希望你們在出裝可以比較有sense一點。
tl;dr: Everything in League of Legends is situational. Neither Last Whisper
nor The Black Cleaver is superior to either in all situations; learn to think
analytically and determine in what situations one will do more damage than
the other.
黑切和耳語沒有一定哪一把比較好，針對不同的狀況，選擇不同的出裝，
學會思考、分析才是最重要的。
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