[外電] Inside the LA'Historically Bad Defense

看板Lakers作者 (kmw)時間9年前 (2014/12/20 22:31), 編輯推噓37(37016)
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Inside the Los Angeles Lakers' Historically Bad Defense http://ppt.cc/P9Rw The Los Angeles Lakers are having a rough season by every metric. 湖人正經歷一個艱困的賽季 Offensively, their lack of quality ball-movers bogs down the offense and cycles in a constant flow of isolation basketball. Kobe Bryant, great passer that he is, is ultimately still a ball-stopper. Nick Young is the same, minus the passing. Jeremy Lin is more a creator for himself out of the pick-and-roll than for teammates. 顯然的,欠缺優秀的ball-movers,在頻繁的單打戰術下,使湖人的進攻及節奏陷入阻塞 KOBE,作為傳球者確實出色,但最終仍然是個ball-stopper。Young也一樣,傳球能力 還更差。Lin,大多數把pick-and-roll機會做成了給自己多於他的隊友。 But it's on the defensive end that the Lakers are struggling even more, and it's arguably a greater reason why they've sputtered to an 8-17 record. 但是在防守端,這可以說是湖人掙扎的一個更大的原因,這也反映到他們為何現在是8-17 Pick-and-roll coverage has been the root cause of their problems. Synergy Sports (subscription required) has them giving up the fourth-most points per possession to pick-and-roll ball-handlers, the most to big men rolling down the lane, and the most to shooters on the perimeter on pick-and-roll kickouts 擋拆戰術的防守是他們問題的根源。Synergy Sports指出: 1.讓對手擋拆戰術發起者每次進攻的平均得分,聯盟第四 2.讓大個子切入禁區,聯盟第一 3.讓擋拆戰術執行者切入後傳球給外圍射手,聯盟第一 The nature of the pick-and-roll is that it puts the defense at a momentary disadvantage. No matter the coverage, one defensive player is covering two players for at least a split second. Some teams simply switch all screens to avoid this lapse, but that creates unfavorable mismatches. 擋拆戰術的本質是讓防守方陷入短暫的劣勢,不管如何防守,都會出現極短暫的一守二的 情況,有些隊伍面對這情況是簡單的直接交換防守,但這會無可避免出現 mismatches Some teams constantly guide the ball toward the sideline and do not let the ball-handler get to the middle of the floor. Some teams trap the ball-handler with two players, or at least provide extra pressure for a second or two to muddle up passing lanes. 有些球隊不斷將球引向邊線,不要讓持球者球進入地板中間。有些球隊則用兩個球員對持 球者做陷阱防守,或者至少提供一兩秒鐘額外的壓力,藉以混亂傳球路線。 The Lakers fight through the screens and rely on weak-side defenders loading toward the ball to force difficult, cross-court passes. This is the strategy adopted by many of the league's top defensive teams—the Chicago Bulls and Indiana Pacers, for example—because it pushes ball-handlers into the mid-range while protecting both the rim and three-point line. 而湖人則是在掩護時進行對抗,並依賴弱邊防守者對持球者進行干擾,以破壞持球者進行 橫傳球。這個策略被聯盟許多個防守頂尖的球隊採用,如公牛和溜馬。因為他迫使持球者 停在中距離,以藉此保護籃框及三分線。 As with any defensive blueprint, it requires multiple moving parts to work in tandem. For the Lakers, their biggest failings have come in two areas: the way their bigs contain the ball once the driver comes off the screen, and the weak-side defenders' ability to deal with rollers. 任何防守策略都需要各個位置一同協力,對湖人而言,他們最大的弱點在兩方面:大個子 在面對對手掩護後切入的防守,以及弱邊防守者對掩護者擋拆後防守的能力 Here's a prime example of the former, with Carlos Boozer not taking a proper angle once the San Antonio Spurs' pick-and-roll with Cory Joseph and Boris Diaw occurs. 以下是最主要的例子,Joseph和屌爺這對擋拆組合下,Boo沒有在適當的位置防守 , http://youtu.be/0jVu_30ceR4
At the moment of the screen, Boozer is already in trouble. Instead of sliding over toward the middle of the free-throw line in anticipation of Joseph using the pick, he's still in line with Diaw. 在掩護一開始時Boo就已經有麻煩了,他應該要往罰球線位置移動以防範 Joseph切入 (pick),但是他還在看守屌爺 It's the responsibility of all bigs in the pick-and-roll to be early. Because they're usually slower than the guard dribbling the basketball, they must anticipate direction and adjust accordingly. 對擋拆要及早對應,這是所有大個子的責任,因為他們速度通常較運球的後衛慢,為此他 們必須預測後衛的方向並以此對應調整 Boozer, however, is giving up a straight-line path to the rim and now must frantically slide his feet to catch up with Joseph 而Boo,給了條直通籃框的路線,使得他必須瘋狂的移動他的腳來追Joseph Boozer, however, isn't the only problem. Young, who's guarding a player well above the opposite wing, should already be on the nail—the center of the free throw-line—to deter penetration. Even if he's not there, he should at least stunt toward the nail as the drive occurs. Boo不是唯一的問題所在,還有Young,他防守的球員還在半場的另一邊,他應該早就要移 動到Nail的位置(即罰球線到半圓線的位置)以防止切入,就算他不在那,當切入進來時他 起碼也要往Nail位置進行干擾。 Even if he can't leave a shooter wide open by fully rotating, a quick stunt could hold up Joseph just enough to allow Boozer to recover. 雖然他不能放一個射手有大空檔的機會,短暫的干擾仍有機會阻擋Joseph,並讓Boo回神 過來補防 Lin, who's guarding Joseph, should not escape blame either. He gets lit up by a pretty weak screen and does not fight hard enough to get back into a guarding position on Joseph Lin也要負些責任,屌爺這次的掩護並不算好,Lin並沒有強悍地回來防守Joseph Ultimately, this is still primarily Boozer's fault. Maybe he's concerned with Diaw popping (and that's why he sticks to Diaw for a second too long), but containing the basketball is always the first responsibility. If ball-handlers want to throw out to shooters, the defense must scramble accordingly. 歸根究柢,這個PLAY主要是Boo的問題,也許他在注意屌爺的出手(那也是為何他在屌爺身 上花太多時間),但對球的控制永遠是第一優先,如果持球者想傳球給射手時,就必須在 防守上更加擾亂他 Here's another example from the same game. Bryant tries to force Manu Ginobili to reject the screen, but he manages to squirt around it anyway. Boozer, once again, is late in his positioning. 同場比賽另外一個例子,Kobe試著讓鬼禿的掩護失效,但最後還是被擋開,Boo又一次慢 了一拍 http://youtu.be/Sg8f1EIGquE
To account for Ginobili's foot speed, Boozer has to retreat toward the paint before actually confronting the ball. If he scrambles high instead of low, it will be too late. 考慮到鬼禿的腳程,Boo應該在面對球之前就往油漆區後退,如果他能在高位干擾多點, 應該就不會太遲 But even so, Ginobil's momentum toward the rim and Boozer's late reaction means he can barely contest without risking a foul. The result is a relatively unbothered floater. 但即使如此,鬼禿的加速度加上Boo的慢半拍,使得他在沒有犯規下只能勉強對抗,結果 來說還是一樣 The back side of pick-and-roll defense is more about effort than anything else. Boozer's errors, while frustrating, are more mental. With film review and work on the floor, these types of mistakes can be cleaned up relatively quickly. 擋拆防守的背後努力比甚麼都重要,Boo犯的錯比起失望更應該正面看待,藉由比賽影片 的回顧並在場地練習後,這些錯誤相對來說可以比較快克服 In the Lakers' pick-and-roll defense, it is the job of the corner defender to "tag" the roller, which is to say he must briefly bump the big man diving to the rim before scampering back out toward a shooter. 在湖人面對擋拆的防守中,在角落防守者的責任是把跟進的人tag住,也就是說有一瞬間 他必須短暫離開他守的射手,並守住大個子進入禁區 With the on-ball defender and the big guarding the pick-and-roll both concerned with the ball-handler, this "tagger" is tasked with momentarily halting the momentum of the big so he cannot run free to the rim. 由於防守持球的人和大個子會同時把焦點放在控球者上,這個tagger的工作就是短暫的干 擾大個子使他不能那麼輕易地進入籃下 This also buys the defenders involved in the pick-and-roll a bit of time to get realigned. The on-ball defender can use that extra half-second to get back in front of the ball, and the defensive big can then shift back to guarding the roller 藉著此一動作,防守擋拆的人可以有一些些時間重新調整,防守控球的可以利用這約半秒 時間移動自己的位置再站回持球者前方,而大個子則可以再回去防守跟進的球員。 The tag, in short, is crucial. 總和來說,tag這個動作是相當重要的 As a rule of thumb, if the ball is going away from you and you are not directly involved in the pick-and-roll, you are the tagger 根據經驗法則,如果球是遠離你的方向,且你沒有直接參與擋拆的防守,你就是那個必須 執行tag的人 On this play against the Boston Celtics, Young is the tagger. 這個play中,young就是那個tagger http://youtu.be/tCuB8okKs3o
As Rajon Rondo comes off the Tyler Zeller screen, Lin goes under the screen (a common tactic used against poor shooters) and does a nice job along with Jordan Hill in clogging the paint. 當Rondo藉由Zeller的掩護進來時,Lin則從掩護者下方進入(常用來對付持球者命中率不 高)並且與Hill在靠近油漆區時防守的相當不錯 Rondo, in theory, should have nothing to do with the ball other than to throw up a difficult layup or floater. Instead, he drops it off to Zeller for an easy finish. Rondo理論上應該甚麼都沒法做,不然就是自己來一個高難度上籃,但相反的,他傳給 Zeller完成一次輕鬆上籃 So what went wrong? Take a look at Young on the tag. 所以哪邊出錯了?再看一次Young的tag To start with, he only feebly sticks his hand out at Zeller. Even though his man, Evan Turner, is lifting out of the corner to make himself available for a possible kick-out pass, that's hardly a viable option. Even if Young does get sucked in too far to deal with Zeller, there should be enough of a window on flight time of the pass for him to recover 首先,他只是無力地在Zeller伸出他的手,就算他負責的Turner已經在外圍準備擋拆後的 出手,但他出手的可行性相當低,就算他離Zeller太遠,他還是有非常長的時間夠他去補 防 Young also needs to bump him higher up the floor. A tag five feet away from the rim is virtually useless—Zeller can still catch and finish over Young with his size advantage. A tag at the elbow, however, means he's late on the roll and given the ball farther from the rim. Young也需要更出來點做tag,離籃框5英尺的tag幾乎是沒用的,Zeller可以用他對young 的身高優勢接球並得分,然而這也表示他對跟進的人對應遲了,並且比跟進的人離球更遠 Defenses can live with Zeller making a play at 10 feet 防守可以讓Zeller只能在10英尺處做finish It's nearly impossible to be perfect on the pick-and-roll every time on defense. NBA players are so talented that even the minuscule advantage provided by a screen is enough to create havoc. 事實上面對擋拆不可能每一次的防守都是完美的,NBA的球員天賦異稟到即使靠著微不足 道的掩護就可以造成嚴重的破壞 The best teams understand this dilemma and shade their defense to give up certain shots while eliminating others. Some teams are fine with the ball-handler pulling up uncontested from 18 feet. Others are fine with rollers catching it in the eight-foot range and having to finish in tough situations 好的球隊知道這個兩難局面,他們對一些出手減輕他們的防守力道,而加強對其他人的防 守,有些則是將持球者鎖在18英尺的安全距離,也有些則把跟進的大個守在8英尺附近使 得他們只能做困難的出手 The Lakers don't seem to be dictating anything in their pick-and-roll defense; they're reactionary. This is certainly not what head coach Byron Scott is teaching. 湖人的擋拆防守看不出主軸是甚麼,他們是被動的,這肯定不是BS要教他們的 If there's anything positive to be taken from Los Angeles' horrific defensive start, it's that their issues don't stem from an inability to play defense. Lin and Bryant are more than capable in pick-and-roll. Boozer comes from a scheme in Chicago that is similar to what he's executing in Los Angeles. 如果硬要從他們之間找出一些正向觀點,那就是他們不是沒有能力防守。LIN和KOBE在擋 拆上都很有天分,Boo則來自公牛,在那邊面對的擋拆也類似湖人 But for whatever reason, the Lakers aren't clicking on defense. And until they do, they'll continue to struggle in the win column. 但不管是什麼原因,湖人都沒有做好防守,直到他們做好之前,他們都將繼續在勝利間掙 扎 PS.因為這篇有提到Nail,原本想貼在總版讓那些人知道為什麼Lin常常協防 但想想還是算了,發在自己隊版就好,然後本季防守應該沒救了,該說是冷笑話 留下來的壞習慣嗎? 嗯,Dylan Murphy的文都不錯,大家就看看吧 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 223.137.117.96 ※ 文章網址: http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Lakers/M.1419085868.A.CDE.html

12/20 22:39, , 1F
MDA表示......
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12/20 22:40, , 2F
有些擋拆都沒擋到就跑掉 等接傳球
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12/20 22:43, , 3F
BOO有時即使擋到路線也沒向前壓迫對手的出手空間…
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12/20 22:44, , 4F
擋拆防守真的爛到不行 不如乾脆點跟不上都直接換防
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12/20 22:46, , 5F
擋拆真的是要互相配合 每一隊都在打湖人這痛點
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12/20 22:49, , 6F
不知道練習都是在練什麼內容...
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12/20 22:51, , 7F
默契差的情況下該是直接換防會好些~
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12/20 23:00, , 8F
P&R機會留給自己結果出手數還這麼少? 這是數據得到的嗎
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12/20 23:16, , 9F
證明有些言論是偏頗的
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12/20 23:16, , 10F
一個開季強調防守的球隊,防守觀念卻這麼糟~到底平常在練啥?
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12/20 23:18, , 11F
因為湖人會Roll的大多是ED 另外三位都是Pop多
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12/20 23:30, , 12F
樓上正解! 大個之前都不跟進籃下的,不過最近好像有好一點!
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12/21 00:04, , 13F
寫的不錯
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12/21 00:07, , 14F
好文
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12/21 00:08, , 15F
Boo還是很少roll 他都是先站定接球 再決定要切要投
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12/21 00:29, , 16F
找Scott來不是要加強防守?怎練成這樣?
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12/21 00:33, , 17F
看場上的游魂防守真的很難過 然後林很拼命在補洞 教練卻說
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12/21 00:33, , 18F
他沒有能量...
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12/21 00:38, , 19F
每場看下來 Scott感覺啥都沒教啊....
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12/21 00:46, , 20F
有教阿 控衛本分 運球過半場給老大 標準SOP
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12/21 00:48, , 21F
真的..每次到第四節中段開始lin運過半球
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半場 球給老大-->自幹-->約3.4球進一球
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12/21 00:58, , 23F
湖人是老大的球隊 老大愛怎打我是沒意見 他這樣打其實也蠻
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12/21 00:59, , 24F
蠻有勇氣的 只是我會希望教練講話公允一些
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12/21 02:58, , 25F
Young的防守真的很糟...但也沒看BS炮他...
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12/21 03:14, , 26F
防守部分講得很清楚 寫得不錯
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12/21 03:29, , 27F
林只是過客 YOUNG簽了四年 BS大概是這樣想的吧
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12/21 03:30, , 28F
先討好建隊底基 其他人的生死就隨便
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12/21 06:47, , 29F
兩個失誤記調調 都不敢對10TO說半句話 還找毛來誇
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12/21 06:47, , 30F
這樣的教練叫人尊敬不來
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12/21 07:39, , 31F
沒材料,做什麼都很難。
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12/21 08:45, , 32F
自詡為老學校的教練 好像都會絕對"尊重"球隊老大
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12/21 09:14, , 33F
教練…上半場的失誤真的是記牢牢,賽後還提出來
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12/21 09:21, , 34F
真可憐 每次都當砲灰
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12/21 09:33, , 35F
外人看起來真的不太會帶心...
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12/21 09:48, , 36F
防守端也許能力不足,但進攻調度太死板也是問題啊
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12/21 10:47, , 37F
Young防守有到很糟嗎?我覺得他今年防守挺不錯耶
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12/21 10:58, , 38F
團防不是很好 不過這是湖人整隊都有的現象
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12/21 11:00, , 39F
BS來湖人從沒指出KOBE打不好的地方
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12/21 11:03, , 40F
防守八成都沒什麼在練 看不到默契
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Kobe這季這種棺材級命中率 Scott連屁都不敢放
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只有old school陋習 沒有old school能力的西瓜
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12/21 11:54, , 43F
今年就明明坦的節奏...怎麼還這麼多人憤憤不平...
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坦的節奏 傷病條例現在都沒用...可知一二
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12/21 12:11, , 45F
推翻譯
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如果真的是坦,BS就帶種點場場輸20分以上,這樣保證坦的天經
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12/21 12:59, , 47F
地義,告訴球迷今年我們就是濫到掉渣!!!不然跟強隊還打得快
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12/21 13:00, , 48F
贏然後自己放掉,這種坦法何止斧鑿太深,根本把球迷當白癡XXX
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12/21 13:12, , 49F
我當了20場白癡後決定不當了!現在是考驗球迷有多少耐心了~
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12/21 14:39, , 50F
再怎麼坦~球團還是要賣票啊,當然要打得拉鋸
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12/21 15:55, , 51F
打太爛場邊的球迷會沒話題,這樣不夠social。
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12/22 10:35, , 52F
MDA的防守 比這好上百倍...
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12/22 10:36, , 53F
失分多 是節奏快的假象 當然洗數據也是XD
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