[新聞] What went wrong with TEoG mv

看板LadyGaga作者 (yes)時間13年前 (2011/06/17 23:28), 編輯推噓38(38推 0噓 28→)
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What went wrong with GaGa's 'Edge of Glory' video? NY post http://tinyurl.com/3w562vf 重點提要： 1.Joseph Kahn在推特上否認這是他的作品，主因是拍攝過程中gaga及haus of gaga開始七嘴八舌推翻他的想法，所以最後他退出，也就是說gaga才是這支mv的導演 2. Kahn的團隊本來已經搭好了set: http://i51.tinypic.com/vrzfo8.jpg
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內容有布魯克林橋、醫院、水底景等...也就是原本的人魚路線 3. 編舞Laurieann Gibson在推特上回應小怪獸對MV的批評（演變成大吵），認為創作想法 分歧是常有的是，小怪獸不應這麼刻薄 個人感想：Joseph Kahn的作品多麼厲害大家可以去孤看看，基本上我覺得嘎及嘎屋請 了名導又不信任他是很愚蠢的事情，尤其當最後完全照自己點子拍出來的東西這麼貽笑 大方 在TFM時我還不覺得，但現在我認為the fame is kinda getting to her head，也就是大 頭症。 太快了。 Lady GaGa's videos are opulent affairs thanks to complex storylines, extravagant costume changes, an army of back-up dancers showcasing the latest moves from genius choreographer Laurieann Gibson and visually dazzling screenshots that could hang in any respectable art gallery. But when her latest music video for "Edge of Glory" premiered last night, the general consensus was "huh?" As in, "what the hell is this pared down, choreography-deficient, one costume, dancer-free piece of rubbish?" At first, fans leapt to judgement and began harassing Joseph Kahn, the visionary director who has helmed videos for artists like U2, Britney, Mariah, Snoop. He also was the man behind "Edge of Glory." Emphasis on "was." Yesterday he Tweeted, "I did NOT direct Lady Gaga's 'Edge of Glory' video. Lady Gaga did -- I don't co-direct. One canvas, one paintbrush. Respect the art. Very simple rule with me." This seemed to imply disagreements on the set, a theory that has been corroborated by Joseph's team, sources close to production and, well, watching the video. One such insider, Chancler Haynes (Kahn's on-set editor), revealed on Twitter exactly what went down in a series of DM's with a fan ... who then released the conversation. It seems that the mermaid motif GaGa debuted on "Le Grand Journal" was supposed to be the video's theme as well. "[Joseph Kahn] had sets built for a hospital scene, Brooklyn Bridge, and a big underwater mermaid scene. It all made sense. Concept was done," Chancler wrote. But somewhere along the way there was, to hear Laurieann tell it, "an issue." One that, according to Chancler, stemmed straight from The Haus of GaGa. "GaGa changed her mind and told Joseph what to do. His hands were tied. The director just didn't have control over GaGa after she started making changes [and] Joseph's concept died." A concept that according to three leaked production stills (which Chancler confirmed to be real) looked suitably epic. If only the drama stopped there. Last night, after the underwhelming video made its grand debut, her Little Monsters proved just how sharp their claws are and began Tweet-tacking Laurieann on Twitter. NBD, this happens all the time when you participate in an open dialogue with fans. The difference here is that Laurieann returned fire when one fan accused her of stretching the truth. "listen u disrespectful f**k they had an issue on set I don't lie!!!!!" Her 140 character verbal vomit also included, "creative Changes happen always educate ignorant Monster's!!!" She then went on and personally responded to two dozen angry comments that varied from "you r sick Get some help u have no clue" to "who r u!!! don't talk negative to people u don't know it's foolish!" And that seems to be the buzz word here since foolishness reigned from start to finish. It was foolish of GaGa's team to stop trusting the director they hired, it was foolish of GaGa to think this subdued video would please the fans that have been conditioned to expect something grander, it was foolish of Chancler to have that conversation online and it was foolish of Laurieann to open fire on fans. But most of all, it was foolish of us to expect that GaGa would never stumble because, despite the preternatural image constantly presented, she is only human after all. http://tinyurl.com/3w562vf -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 58.114.208.60
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06/17 23:35, , 1F
好想看本來會拍什麼樣子啊！！！:(
06/17 23:35, 1F
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06/17 23:36, , 2F
原本的版本應該很棒 為什麼不信任呢 結果搞成這樣難堪
06/17 23:36, 2F
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06/17 23:37, , 3F
想看原版+1 QQ
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06/17 23:38, , 4F
就算自己當導演 前一首Judas也沒有這麼粗糙阿 (不懂阿)
06/17 23:38, 4F
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06/17 23:38, , 5F
人魚版的概念還比較好 不過人魚版只能在表演上看到了 嗚
06/17 23:38, 5F
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06/17 23:40, , 6F
以後大概也沒機會看到Joseph Kahn幫gaga導的MV了
06/17 23:40, 6F
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06/17 23:41, , 7F
Kahn還頗厲害的說~~~
06/17 23:41, 7F
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06/17 23:47, , 8F
我希望這是GaGa最後一次執導自己的MV 她跟她的團隊在這
06/17 23:47, 8F
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06/17 23:48, , 9F
張專輯的概念實在讓人搞不懂
06/17 23:48, 9F
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06/17 23:49, , 10F
場景很好看 想看原版
06/17 23:49, 10F
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06/17 23:55, , 11F
GAGA自己倒是很滿意 請看最新TWITTER訊
06/17 23:55, 11F
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06/17 23:56, , 12F
她好像走味了...
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06/17 23:58, , 13F
原版的概念也是邊緣嘛~~~
06/17 23:58, 13F
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06/17 23:59, , 14F
連助理都跳出來說話 想知道詳情的可以拉下去看
06/17 23:59, 14F
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06/18 00:06, , 16F
糟了GAGA要黑掉了啊啊啊啊啊啊啊...
06/18 00:06, 16F
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06/18 00:06, , 17F
板上人氣變HOT了現在!!
06/18 00:06, 17F
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06/18 00:08, , 18F
希望gaga只是不想再引起紛爭而說MV不錯 不要因為
06/18 00:08, 18F
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06/18 00:09, , 19F
"自我設限"而看不清事實有多糟 拜託不要
06/18 00:09, 19F
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06/18 00:15, , 20F
好想看原版＝口＝....
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06/18 00:15, , 21F
要自己弄的話也不要草草了事呀
06/18 00:15, 21F
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06/18 00:15, , 22F
好難過
06/18 00:15, 22F
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06/18 00:24, , 23F
唉@@ 就算他覺得自己的想法比導演還要好，但是再好的點子也
06/18 00:24, 23F
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06/18 00:27, , 24F
還是得透過專業的執導技術 把想法用最好的方式具象化出來啊
06/18 00:27, 24F
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06/18 00:28, , 25F
結果卻搞到導演退出了..真的很難堪 也很不智....
06/18 00:28, 25F
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06/18 00:37, , 26F
很推你的個人感想。
06/18 00:37, 26F
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06/18 01:17, , 27F
好傷心喔...有些東西不擅長還是要聽聽專業的意見呀
06/18 01:17, 27F
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06/18 01:18, , 28F
不要甚麼都自己去做,到最後就是這種不倫不類的作品了唉
06/18 01:18, 28F
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06/18 01:22, , 29F
Joseph Kahn看到MV成品之後應該也會偷笑吧。
06/18 01:22, 29F
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06/18 01:23, , 30F
很贊成尊重專業, 同時保持草根精神, 希望記取教訓~ 畢竟
06/18 01:23, 30F
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06/18 01:24, , 31F
Ga說過,她想要統治樂壇至少25年,所以都要學習當一個明君
06/18 01:24, 31F
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06/18 01:36, , 32F
本來以為她是有主見卻很肯聽話學習的藝人..
06/18 01:36, 32F
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06/18 01:36, , 33F
我希望MV出來效果有多差能重重的點醒她
06/18 01:36, 33F
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06/18 01:59, , 34F
好傷心唷...
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06/18 02:17, , 35F
這支mv很失望
06/18 02:17, 35F
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06/18 03:12, , 36F
it was foolish of us to expect GaGa would never stumble!
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06/18 03:13, , 37F
別再造神了， 她 只是個人類 XDDDDD
06/18 03:13, 37F
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06/18 04:16, , 38F
唉唉...
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06/18 08:25, , 39F
就算不如以往, 和其他人比也不見得多差~她本來就是人類,
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06/18 08:26, , 40F
差別在於她 "超人/出眾的表現" 的次數比他人頻繁
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06/18 10:11, , 41F
TF跟TFM時期真的場場精彩出眾,現在的水平...
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06/18 10:11, , 42F
好啦胃口真的養大了,可是gaga這樣真的無法持久的我覺得
06/18 10:11, 42F
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06/18 10:29, , 43F
別比爛 = = 這MV糟透了 還給無辜的導演被嘴砲
06/18 10:29, 43F
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06/18 10:32, , 44F
超人和出眾還不是要靠團隊...把名導得罪了對自己演藝生
06/18 10:32, 44F
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06/18 10:33, , 45F
涯是有甚麼好處喔？再不覺悟就準備flop this way!!!
06/18 10:33, 45F
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06/18 10:34, , 46F
她本來就是一個強力依靠團隊包裝的歌手，創意是她能走下
06/18 10:34, 46F
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06/18 10:35, , 47F
去的本錢，事實已證明靠她自己(以及嘎屋)根本沒有能力讓
06/18 10:35, 47F
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06/18 10:35, , 48F
有力地行銷音樂。
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06/18 11:08, , 49F
gaga加油好嗎....千萬別大頭症上身阿!!!!
06/18 11:08, 49F
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06/18 11:09, , 50F
想看原本的版本+1 XD
06/18 11:09, 50F
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06/18 13:43, , 51F
我覺得行銷還好,歌點對行銷沒那麼大困難,不過嘎自己
06/18 13:43, 51F
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06/18 13:43, , 52F
也說過啦,她演藝圈朋友少,這(可能)事一個問題
06/18 13:43, 52F
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06/18 14:14, , 53F
說真的，平心而論，不要說甚麼胃口被養大好了
06/18 14:14, 53F
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06/18 14:15, , 54F
拿這MV跟The Fame時期的MV做比較，難道有同樣的水準?
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06/18 14:16, , 55F
不要求更多更好，只要求同樣水準，有嘛QQ?
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06/18 15:00, , 56F
記得在好幾個地方都看過這種說法,gaga的成功是個人才華+集
06/18 15:00, 56F
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06/18 15:01, , 57F
美國音樂界包裝之大成,gaga很棒,但只有gaga一個人沒有那些
06/18 15:01, 57F
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06/18 15:01, , 58F
行銷專家一起合力,也是不成的啊!這支MV希望能給她點提醒
06/18 15:01, 58F
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06/18 15:42, , 59F
不愛這支MV+1! 希望gaga真的有聽到= =
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06/18 17:03, , 60F
這MV真的很差勁 之前GOOGLE CHROME的PROMOTE好上一億倍
06/18 17:03, 60F
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06/18 23:35, , 61F
唉，推樓上
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06/21 05:36, , 62F
Madonna也讓人傻眼很多次 還不是紅到現在XD gaga加油XD
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06/21 12:37, , 63F
madge早期~全盛MV可是彈無虛發啊 是近年才意興闌珊
06/21 12:37, 63F
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06/21 19:14, , 64F
我看Wiki才知道Joseph Kahn就是導Kylie-All The Lovers的
06/21 19:14, 64F
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06/21 19:15, , 65F
導演，拍得超級棒！歌詞和專輯的女神概念都拍出來了！
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06/21 19:15, , 66F
最後沒做出成果真的很可惜！
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