George Karl reflective after firing by Kings

看板Kings作者 (人生就是如此)時間8年前 (2016/05/02 17:08), 8年前編輯推噓18(18026)
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原文連結:http://goo.gl/aYxWno 原文作者Ailene Voisin(對就是那個之前寫新聞說國王會想交易表弟那個女記者)廢話太多 了,所以只翻一些重點或我自己覺得重要的部分。 “Vlade (Divac) has a helluva task ahead of him,” Karl said. The roster needs to be tinkered with. He is going to be in for an NBA free agency unlike anything we have ever seen. If the decision is made to keep Cuz, you have to put the right players around him. But it can’t be about Cousins. You have to make basketball decisions.” "Vlade有個非常艱難的任務在他身上,"Karl說。"球隊陣容還有很多地方需要修補。 他會在NBA的自由球員市場面臨到前所未有的情況。如果要決定留下表弟的話,你必須 放些正確的球員在他身邊。但不能都是跟表弟有關。你必須做出跟籃球有關的決定。" “Eighty percent of the time I think the Kings did what had to be done,” Karl said of his firing after his 44-68 record. “But I’m old school enough to think that a coach has to feel powerful, has to feel supported, and I never felt that level of support.” "我認為本季國王做到了百分之八十該做的事,"在帶出44-68成績之後被開除的Karl說。 "不過我是一個很老派的人,我認為一個教練要感到有權力,要感到被支持,但我從沒 感受到這種層級的支持。" “I never felt I got into a good place with Cuz,” Karl said, “and some of that was my stupidity when I said that no player is untradeable. I still believe that. But I should have been smart enough not to say it, and I in no way, at any time, thought DeMarcus was going to get traded." "我自己覺得從來沒跟表弟打好關係過。" "而且有一些愚蠢是因為我說沒有球員是不能被交易的。我始終相信這件事。但是我應該 要更聰明一點不去講這種言論,並且不管任何時候,我從來沒想過表弟會被交易。" First, while Kings officials, owners and coaches were assembled in a conference room, staring at the TV on draft night, the ESPN ticker flashed reports that principal owner Vivek Ranadive was considering firing Karl. According to Karl, the tension in the room prevented any possibility of creative exchanges. 首先,在選秀之夜,當國王的高層們,老闆們還有教練團聚集在會議室盯著電視,EPSN 突然報導出大老闆Vivek Ranadive考慮將Karl開除。據Karl所說,房間內的緊張情勢讓 一點有創造力的交談都沒辦法發生。 A few weeks later, Divac walked into the crowded gym during the Las Vegas Summer League, accompanied by Cousins, other players and assistant general manager Mike Bratz, while Karl sat at the other side of the facility. When Karl approached, Cousins only reluctantly shook his hand and then turned away, embarrassing his coach in front of dozens of his NBA colleagues and thousands of viewers following the drama on NBATV. 幾個禮拜之後,在Las Vegas舉辦的Summer League,當Karl坐在另一側時Divac伴隨著表弟 、其他球員跟助理GM Mike Bratz走進了人潮洶湧的體育館內。而當Karl靠近時,表弟勉強 的握了一下手就別過頭去了,讓很多他的NBA同行還有讓有在跟著這齣鬧劇的觀眾看到了 教練有多尷尬。 “Vlade thought he was helping me,” said Karl, “but that looked really bad.” "Vlade以為他是在幫我," Karl說,"不過那看起來真的是糟透了。" Later that week, Divac summoned Cousins and Karl to a private counseling session, and throughout training camp and the opening weeks of the season there were hints at a thaw in the relationship. But that ended when Cousins directed a postgame, profanity-laced locker room outburst at Karl after a loss to San Antonio on Nov. 8. Karl wanted Cousins disciplined with a two-game suspension. Instead, Divac, still intent on pursuing diplomacy, quietly fined his best player an undisclosed amount. 在那個禮拜過後,Divac招集Cousins和Karl開一個私人意見交流的會議,然後在訓練營 跟開季第一個禮拜,兩人關係就好像要盡釋前嫌了。不過就在十一月八號輸給馬刺的那場 球(當時戰績1-7),接著表弟在休息室噴了Karl一些不雅的話之後結束了。Karl想要禁賽 表弟兩場球。不過被善於外交的Divac用未公開的金額罰款給取代了。 “That night the bomb went off,” recalled Karl, his voice rising. “Vlade was right there. When they supported Cousins instead of me, I felt, ‘OK, I’ m in the compromise position. Cuz has the power.’ They sent that message many times, too many times sent it to the players. And the players wanted someone to stand up to Cuz, and they wanted it to be their coach. But at that point, I realized that you either compromise or you blow it up, and my job was to make us a better basketball team and get to the end of the year.” "那晚炸彈就爆炸了," Karl回想起,聲調也開始提高。"Vlade就在那裏。當他們選擇 支持Cousins而不是我,我想說,'好吧,我是要妥協的那一個。表弟有權力了。' 他們傳達這種訊息太多次給球員了。球員們想要有人對抗表弟那邊,而且他們希望那個人 是他們的教練。不過在那當下,我意識到你要不妥協,要不就是搞砸它,而我的工作是要 讓球隊在球季結束時變得更好。" More soul-searching: Should he have gone harder at Cousins from the beginning? “That’s a great question.” Could he have done more to foster a relationship with his volatile star? “Another good question.” 更深層的探討:Karl應該從一開始就對Cousins要更強硬點嗎? "這是一個好問題。" Karl說 他有做了很多事情去培養他跟他的易怒明星的關係嗎? "另一個好問題。" “Do you want my opinion?” Kim Van Deraa, his longtime companion, suddenly interjected from across the room. “I think DeMarcus needs to be loved. I kept telling George, Go over and put your arms around him! He needs love.” Karl laughed. "你要我的看法嗎?" Kim Van Deraa,Karl的長期女伴,突然出現在房間並插了嘴。 "我覺得表弟需要被愛,我一直跟George講,就過去然後把手搭在他身上! 他需要愛。" Karl笑了。 “I don’t disagree,” he said, “but he needs players around him that are better fits. You could tell at the end of last year that Rudy (Gay) and Cuz didn’t work. We added some pieces last summer, but we had too many guards. I kept telling Mike (Bratz), ‘Darren Collison, Ben McLemore and Marco Belinelli are too similar. Trade one of them because you can’t keep three (shooting) guards happy.’ And I wanted to play Seth (Curry), but you can’t give a player seven minutes here, seven minutes there, and think they can gain any confidence.” "我同意," Karl說,"不過他需要更適合他的球員圍繞在他身邊。你可以說上季最終 Gay跟表弟一起是沒有化學效應的。去年夏天我們加入了很多人,不過我們後衛太多了。 我一直不停跟Mike Bratz講,'DC、Ben、Marco性質都太相像了。交易他們其中一個吧, 因為你沒辦法讓這三個後衛開心的。'並且我是想要讓Seth Curry打的,不過你不能讓 一個球員在這個位置打七分鐘,那個位置打七分鐘,然後想說他們可以獲得信心。" As he reflected on the season, Karl said he was pleased with Omri Casspi’s development, Collison’s contributions when healthy, Rajon Rondo’s career revival and an “above average” rookie year for Willie Cauley-Stein. He stated the obvious, that Kings guards are poor individual defenders, most notably Rondo. 當他在對這賽季省思時,Karl說他很滿意Casspi的進步、Collison在健康時的貢獻、 Rondo的重生以及WCS高於平均水準的新秀賽季。他還舉出一些很顯而易見的事情, 國王後衛的單防太爛了,尤其是Rondo。 But the conversation always came back to Cousins, who, amid the negativity and his frequent, often visible resistance, was selected for the All-Star team, added a three-point shot and improved offensively and defensively, despite battling sore feet and chronic weight and conditioning issues. 不過對話總是會回到表弟,那個處在經常消極性情緒跟經常反抗的全明星,在這季增加 了三分球技能並且攻防兩端也有所進步,還不管是在對抗腳傷跟長期的體重以及健康議題 所打出來的。 “The greatest asset for Cuz is that he can play different places,” Karl said. “There are certain nights he is good in the block (post). Other nights, when he’s covered by, say, a Tim Duncan, he is probably better facing the basket, on pick-and-rolls. His shake-and-bake game is as good as his post-up. His shot selection has to get better, and he has get down to three turnovers a night and get his assists up. The offense was very close. They need a shooter and another playmaker, but it’s close.” "表弟最棒的是他可以用不同的方式打球(打很多位置)," Karl說。 "某些晚上他在禁區打得很好。其他晚上,他又打得像Tim Duncan,他面框攻擊、 擋切戰術打的可能更好。他的多種運球(shake-and-bake)攻擊跟他的低位攻擊一樣好。 他的投籃選擇必須要更好,並且他必須要降低他的失誤到三次以下然後提升他的助攻。 球隊的攻擊面已經接近完整了。他們還需要一個射手跟另一個playmaker,不過真的很接 近完整了。" So any parting words? Suggestions for the coaching candidates that, Karl said, should include Corliss Williamson, Monty Williams and Nate McMillan? 所以最後還有什麼話要說嗎? 一些對教練人選的建議。 “Whether or not they trade Cuz,” Karl said, “they have to empower their coach. They have to let him coach. It takes a few years to build a program. It becomes a culture, an energy force. Vivek wanted magic to happen, but in the NBA magic happens once in a while, and usually is associated with Larry Bird, Magic Johnson or Michael Jordan. I think you can win with him (Cousins), but my thing is, how long is it going to take to get there? Then, how long before you become a winning team? I think there are faster ways to go.” "不管他們有沒有要交易表弟," Karl說,"他們必須給教練權力。他們必須放手讓教練 執教。建造一個球隊文化跟能量是需要幾年時間的。Vivek老闆想要魔術發生,但在NBA 魔術久久才發生一次,並且是跟Larry Bird、Magic Johnson和Michael Jordan這些人 有關聯的。我認為圍繞Cousins的球隊可以贏球,但我的情況是,那要多久才能夠贏球? 多久才可以變成一隻常勝軍呢? 我認為是有些更快的方法可以達成的。" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 基本上這個採訪大部分Karl講的我都很同意,除了後衛使用(包含Seth)那部分,他點出 表弟球技上應該加強的地方跟球隊"真的"沒有給表弟足夠合適的支援。 他帶不好也不能真的完全怪他了,他有他調度上、球員特性使用以及防守的問題,球隊 陣容不是他的菜也是一個。但國王爛這麼久了一定有問題存在。就Vivek接手來看吧, 三不五時亂放砲,想四守五一人偷跑、亂開除Mike Malone真的是致命傷,接著Malone不是 前任GM PDA找的,Karl也不是Divac屬意的,他的干政使得高層無法跟教練一致性我自己 覺得他可以說是球隊繼續爛的主因。 文中也有提到表弟的經紀人Dan Fegan和Jarinn Tasi Akana好像在Karl當初接手金塊好像 有過過節,可能也讓球員教練之間的關係更惡化,更別說去年鬧得風風雨雨疑似是經紀人 所為,這經紀人是讓我最討厭的。 Karl挾著過往的輝煌成績來到國王,當初國外還有版上一片歡呼,結果是這種結局。 很多人因為他的過往一定是大多幫他講話,不過他文中的那個"沒有球員是不可交易的" 真的不應該講,我也同意這番言論,但一來你沒在國王拿出實績講這種話有人想幫你 打球? 二來想要管理層放權給你,但一樣你沒帶隊打出好成績人家信得過你嗎? 然後雖然他口口聲聲說不覺得Cousins會被交易,但看到最後他還是覺得要交易啊XD 表弟就不說了,他的毛病大家都很清楚,如果季初馬刺輸球那次他沒爆發,可能現在會 好點。不過他就是想贏球,想贏到管不住自己的情緒,如果下一季他再繼續這樣有些脫序 的行為他就算約到想留,球隊也不見得會留了。 Divac想當和事佬,卻兩邊吃力不討好,我認為他或許犯了兩個錯。 第一個錯就是不該擋季初Karl想禁賽表弟,或許有戰積考量或別的我不知道,不過真的讓 關係惡化了。第二個錯或許是季中沒開除Karl,如果那時候火掉Karl可能還有一點點季後 賽希望,不過後來大家也知道,WCS抱怨Karl給他的上場時間、Seth被Karl說可能只能待 聯盟幾年,也發了snake in the grass,不過他隨即刪掉的樣子。 http://i.imgur.com/Xi1ZwJr.png
球迷現在也只能繼續相信老狄的決定了,不過就像之前講的,大不了就是繼續爛嘛, 反正也不是爛一兩年了。 最後台灣媒體有沒有人考慮要簽這記者Ailene Voisin啊? 之前寫了表弟可能會被交易, 一堆媒體採信,現在這篇採訪我看又要造成不小的轟動了。好記者不簽嗎? 有翻錯或不好請指正囉,感謝。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 218.173.1.122 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Kings/M.1462180084.A.538.html

05/02 17:20, , 1F
關於後衛那部份真的是翻到想笑,嫌後場太多然後是擺三衛,冰
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05/02 17:20, , 2F
Ben,季初DC受傷硬操Rondo好幾場打滿也不給Seth上跟我說他想
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05/02 17:21, , 3F
給Seth打球,鬼才相信。後衛太多還硬要擺三衛打大多數時間跟
05/02 17:21, 3F

05/02 17:21, , 4F
決勝期,明明Gay跟Casspi組合或是WCS、Acy其中之一都是更好
05/02 17:21, 4F

05/02 17:22, , 5F
的選擇結果一直選擇三衛到很後期才改變,這點是Karl自己問題
05/02 17:22, 5F

05/02 17:23, , 6F
然後不得不說去看虎撲人家對這篇的言論公正多了,至少不會像
05/02 17:23, 6F

05/02 17:24, , 7F
總板那篇文底下某幾個無腦的一直講得很有理一樣,可笑可笑。
05/02 17:24, 7F

05/02 17:41, , 8F
這篇說的清楚多了 感謝翻譯
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05/02 17:55, , 9F
個人覺得總板那篇有點標題殺人
05/02 17:55, 9F

05/02 18:01, , 10F
私心幻想gay可不可以換batum
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05/02 18:02, , 11F
但不否認gay的身材也是很op
05/02 18:02, 11F

05/02 19:47, , 12F
DC 跟marco Ben的性質哪裏像了 ??
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05/02 19:48, , 13F
還沒說到莫名的愛用JA咧
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05/02 20:05, , 14F
囧卡看來也都知道球隊有什麼問題啊,結果還是帶成這
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05/02 20:05, , 15F
副德性
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05/02 20:09, , 16F
認真覺得囧卡就是想擺爛,球隊簽FA都沒跟教練商量也是
05/02 20:09, 16F

05/02 20:09, , 17F
個問題,球員,管理層,教練都不同調
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05/02 22:14, , 18F
他講的老實說我還滿同意
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05/02 22:14, , 19F
但還是不解知道後場整體防守差到不行還擺三衛
05/02 22:14, 19F

05/02 22:15, , 20F
還有rudy也真的是個必須解決的問題
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05/02 22:42, , 21F
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05/02 22:46, , 22F
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05/02 23:03, , 23F
看來囧卡就是高層不給權 在哪邊惡搞了
05/02 23:03, 23F

05/02 23:23, , 24F
人之將死 其言也善 WCS被冰成這樣 還是要硬誇個兩句
05/02 23:23, 24F

05/02 23:41, , 25F
Cousins想帶領國王重返輝煌歲月
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05/02 23:41, , 26F
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05/02 23:53, , 27F
季初 Curry Acy DNP一直冰
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05/03 01:21, , 28F
感謝 Gibe 說的完整,台媒斷章取義狗血劇很不可取
05/03 01:21, 28F

05/03 09:43, , 29F
因為後衛太多,不能一下打這個位子一下打那個位子,所
05/03 09:43, 29F

05/03 09:43, , 30F
以我就索性不讓他打了~yahu~~
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05/03 09:44, , 31F
我想囧卡應該也要說因為我們前場人太多,所以WCS也不用
05/03 09:44, 31F

05/03 09:44, , 32F
上場打了~yahu~~
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05/03 10:57, , 33F
I don’t disagree是我不反對
05/03 10:57, 33F
眼瞎把disagree看成agree,感謝XD

05/03 11:59, , 34F
囧卡就覺得管理階層都白癡,所以把缺點放大,讓管理階層看
05/03 11:59, 34F

05/03 11:59, , 35F
清楚,這麼用心良苦還被炒真可憐
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05/03 13:30, , 36F
囧卡:老狄你自以為陣容補的很漂亮嗎,我來讓你看看這
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05/03 13:30, , 37F
陣容有什麼缺陷,原來這樣啊
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05/04 00:29, , 38F
Stand up to Cuz是站在表弟對立面的意思
05/04 00:29, 38F
感謝指正。 ※ 編輯: gibe (220.143.3.214), 05/04/2016 00:43:52

05/04 01:04, , 39F
Karl這篇把管理層的問題能講的都講出來了,希望可以
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05/04 01:04, , 40F
改進
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05/04 01:09, , 41F
教練名單裡面McHale看起來是最能配合GM以及願意包容
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05/04 01:10, , 42F
球星缺陷的選擇,應該可以跟表弟相處融洽。
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05/04 01:21, , 43F
有傳言說老闆目前的確也最中意McHale,不過真的別再管事了。
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05/04 15:03, , 44F
老闆可以負責出錢跟看球就好了嗎
05/04 15:03, 44F
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