[資訊] KARA and JYJ:“Slavery”or“Betrayal”?

看板KARA作者 (shaft)時間13年前 (2011/02/14 20:20), 編輯推噓38(38推 0噓 35→)
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其實這篇出來有段時間了，不過之前都以為沒事了就沒人看到了直到今天... 原文@ http://www.allkpop.com/2011/01/kara-and-jyj-slavery-or-betrayal -- With the recent news of KARA's contract negotiations, and JYJ's“Music Essay" reaching #1, the debate between management companies and artists has once again become a hot topic, and this time both sides are speaking out. Featured in a segment called, "JYJ and KARA, why did they do it?", on MBC’ s “News Magazine 2580”, representitives from both sides spoke out, and Junsu and Yoochun themselves discussed their controversial decision and artists' rights. 公司與藝人之間的萬年大戰經由 KARA 與 JYJ 的事件一躍而成熱門話題， (KARA 的解約事件及 JYJ 的專輯空降冠軍) 而這次，在 MBC 的 News Magazine 2580 節目上，後者的兩邊人馬踹共了。 For one of the first times, Park Yoochun confessed that he fully knew that he “might never be able to be a star again” when he decided to leave SM Entertainment, but even with this realization, he still needed to “find happiness and leave.” 朴有天在節目上首度承認， 他在決定離開 SM Entertainment 時就已經知道他的演藝生涯: "可能永遠都回不來了"， 即使是這樣，他仍舊需要 "為自己的幸福著想而離開"。 Kim Junsu, Kim Jaejoong, and Park Yoochun left their band, DBSK, and management group, SM Entertainment, in July of 2009, citing differences in regards to the length and terms of contract. The best known of these claims is SM Entertainment’s lack of transparency regarding group finances, and that the 13 year term of contract was far too long. However, the boys’ decision to leave and regroup as JYJ has not been a walk in the park, especially with them facing an unstated ban from popular music programs (SBS Inkigayo, MBC Music Core, and KBS Music Bank all declined to give statements or explanations). 現任 JYJ 的三名成員 (金俊秀、朴有天、金在中) 在 09 年 7 月由於合約長度與內容的爭議離開了 SM Entertainment。 他們那時候的宣稱包括財務資料的不透明，以及長達 13 年等同賣身契的合約。 但是出走之後的路是極為艱辛的， 他們後來遭到各大音樂節目(人氣歌謠、Music core、Music Bank)不約而同的封殺。 Regarding this, Junsu said, “I think that it is very weird that we cannot appear on broadcast television. I learned that it truly is difficult for a Korean singer to perform on a stage, and it is what I resent most.” 俊秀的說法是: "我覺得我們不能上電視這件事實在很詭異。 我發現韓國歌手連要上台表演都是很困難的，這是我最氣的地方。" Fast forward to almost a year and a half later, and three members of KARA: Jung Nicole, Han Seungyeon, and Kang Jiyoung, have moved to terminate their contract with their management group, DSP. The group also cites lack of transparency and suspected mishandling of group finances – especially regarding the money they raised and earned through overseas promotions and activities in Japan. 快轉到一年半後，KARA 的三個孩子決定與 DSP 終止合約(可能已經進入法律訴訟過程)。 原因同樣是不透明資訊以及令人懷疑的分紅問題-- 尤其考慮到她們在日本的高人氣以及驚人的商品銷售量。 On the flipside, the show also did the footwork and found that a management company invests an average $1,800 per person per month during the artists’ training years. Covering everything from food and housing to lessons, promotional fees, and spending money, costs can accrue during the process that could last anywhere from six months to three years. The segment also cites that one popular seven member girl group incurred 2.9 billion won in training fees alone over the course of four years. 另外一方面，該節目調查發現，經紀公司在藝人的訓練期間(這邊應該是說練習生生涯)， 每人每月的平均開支是 1800 元美金。 這包含了飲食、住宿、課程、宣傳費用、平日花費等。 取決於訓練的時間長短(六個月至三年不等)，這項開銷也會增加。 節目中並爆卦: 某七人女子團體在四年的訓練期間總開支是 29 億韓圜。 (1800*1128*7*4*12 = 2,900,000,000 似乎不是唯一解...?) In defense of the industry, a representative from Core Contents Media (the management company of groups T-ara, Davichi, and 5Dolls) said, “Management companies have to blindly and continuously invest money… Most people underestimate how much money we pour into our artists, and overestimate how much they make when in the market. We do what we can, but this is the way it works.” Core Contents Media 的代表表示: 大家要共體時艱，我們每年都在虧損，不爽不要看 (不好意思我實在忍不住...天下烏鴉一般黑阿) With netizens lining up and crying “slavery” or “betrayal”, and with passions still running high, we hope that for the sake of the fans, this battle between artists' rights and management costs will somehow find a resolution soon. 無論如何，為了藝人們以及粉絲們，希望這樣子的紛爭都能盡快落幕。 -- 要走上烈士之路，風險真的很大... -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 118.169.231.109
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02/14 20:31, , 1F
推 不爽不要看..........................（無奈）
02/14 20:31, 1F
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02/14 20:37, , 2F
金社長真的很奇怪...
02/14 20:37, 2F
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02/14 20:45, , 3F
那姓金的不是奇怪，是白目到了極點，Kara關他P事
02/14 20:45, 3F
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02/14 20:48, , 4F
他先管好他們家T妞吧...
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02/14 20:48, , 5F
看到金社長那一段我還以為我在看中職的新聞
02/14 20:48, 5F
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02/14 20:49, , 6F
金社長你管好自家藝人就夠了 我們KARA的事不需要你來說話
02/14 20:49, 6F
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02/14 20:50, , 7F
Kara甘他屁事?很想噓
02/14 20:50, 7F
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02/14 20:51, , 8F
不管有沒有誇大~29億韓圜T妞都不知道幫他賺幾倍回來了@@
02/14 20:51, 8F
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02/14 20:51, , 9F
不過進入訴訟之後，恐怕短時間很難在韓國音樂節目看到
02/14 20:51, 9F
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02/14 20:52, , 10F
三隻了... JYJ那三個也是違約在先，所以上不了節目
02/14 20:52, 10F
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02/14 20:53, , 11F
而且錢是後面財團出的又不他出的...一直跑出來哭窮= =
02/14 20:53, 11F
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02/14 20:57, , 12F
姓金的他公司對T-ara與kara相比，只會更差=.=
02/14 20:57, 12F
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02/14 21:03, , 13F
29億應該不是T-ARA吧 我不記得她們有訓練這麼久XD
02/14 21:03, 13F
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02/14 21:04, , 14F
七人團應該是指...rainbow@@
02/14 21:04, 14F
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02/14 21:06, , 15F
T-ara第二次改組時，新舊成員只花了一個月的時間熟識彼此@@
02/14 21:06, 15F
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02/14 21:09, , 16F
姓金的運氣很好 挖到寶 訓練期這麼短 在這麼競爭的環境下
02/14 21:09, 16F
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02/14 21:09, , 17F
T-ara還活的好好的
02/14 21:09, 17F
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02/14 21:27, , 18F
所以Kara和T-ara到底各是訓練多久@@?
02/14 21:27, 18F
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02/14 21:35, , 19F
以荷拉來說，他在進DSP之前就有在舞蹈學院上課很長一段時間
02/14 21:35, 19F
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02/14 21:35, , 20F
在DSP受訓的時間應該是不長
02/14 21:35, 20F
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02/14 21:36, , 21F
以智妍來說，他在T-ARA出道之前，當訓練生當了三年，不過上黃
02/14 21:36, 21F
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02/14 21:36, , 22F
金漁場時有提到~智妍本來是打算以演員出道的，後來才轉到現在
02/14 21:36, 22F
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02/14 21:37, , 23F
所屬公司，但智妍的舞蹈底子@@絕不可能三年的時間都是演員訓
02/14 21:37, 23F
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02/14 21:37, , 24F
練，應該也有舞蹈訓練吧?
02/14 21:37, 24F
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02/14 21:39, , 25F
KARA+T-ARA的十二位成員，訓練時間長短都不一
02/14 21:39, 25F
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02/14 21:41, , 26F
女團成員..不論是t-ara、kara..境遇恐怕都半斤八兩..
02/14 21:41, 26F
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02/14 21:42, , 27F
可能只有2NE1跟BEG的待遇、工作時數最為合理，尤其是前者@@
02/14 21:42, 27F
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02/14 22:12, , 28F
奎利 胜妍 妮可 至少有三四年的訓練
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02/14 22:15, , 29F
很想知道金社長為何這麼愛放話???
02/14 22:15, 29F
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02/14 22:17, , 30F
喜歡湊熱鬧吧
02/14 22:17, 30F
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02/14 22:21, , 31F
說給T-ara聽的
02/14 22:21, 31F
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02/14 22:27, , 32F
因為老楊是好人 我在Bigbang板看到老楊那段話 真是感動的
02/14 22:27, 32F
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02/14 22:28, , 33F
要是每間公司老闆都像老楊or李延浩一樣 就不會有那麼多紛爭
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02/14 22:33, , 34F
老楊真的是不可多得的好老闆，別人都急著把IDOL往外推
02/14 22:33, 34F
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02/14 22:34, , 35F
去賺錢，但老楊卻不太讓旗下藝人上綜藝，尤其2NE1...
02/14 22:34, 35F
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02/14 22:35, , 36F
這個金社長真的很愛淌渾水，對他到底有甚麼好處
02/14 22:35, 36F
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02/14 22:41, , 37F
很簡單...就是講給T-ara聽的，這團工作量不會比Kara少
02/14 22:41, 37F
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02/14 22:42, , 38F
可以問一下p大是哪篇文章嗎？ 想去Bigbang板看一下
02/14 22:42, 38F
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02/14 22:42, , 39F
而且因為ara兩團團員感情很好，怕T團受到影響也來搞這套
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02/14 22:44, , 40F
因此先放話打預防針，以上純屬合理猜測XD
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02/14 22:46, , 41F
他這樣一直放砲反而讓我更懷疑T團也有收入不均的問題
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02/14 22:48, , 42F
t-ara收入均不均這不知曉，但工作時數暴量絕對是有，自YAYAYA
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02/14 22:48, , 43F
10年後的李心臟見真章!!!
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02/14 22:49, , 44F
回歸曲後，每天睡覺時間是三個小時..，自GB後不知有無改善...
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02/14 22:58, , 45F
不知道p大看到的是不是這篇? #1D6_lQPe
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02/14 22:59, , 46F
每個社長如果都跟yg的楊社長一樣 那該有多好
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02/14 23:04, , 47F
不是欸 是這篇#1DES0QkA
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02/14 23:24, , 48F
謝謝 m(_ _)m
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02/15 00:05, , 49F
老實說看到JYJ跟KARA的名字是在這樣的情況下放在一起好
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02/15 00:05, , 50F
痛心!
02/15 00:05, 50F
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02/15 03:00, , 51F
大家都想爆 只是不夠力不敢而已
02/15 03:00, 51F
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02/15 03:11, , 52F
只有東方神起爆發 是因為只有他們硬到能對抗全業界
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02/15 03:15, , 53F
不是因為別團過得比較快樂...
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02/15 07:03, , 54F
覺得kara好像還不太夠力...
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02/15 07:15, , 55F
東方神起 真的是後面的仙后非常的強大...
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02/15 07:16, , 56F
就算知道這樣很可能會斷了演藝生涯 但還是能拼拼看
02/15 07:16, 56F
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02/15 07:17, , 57F
像最近的跑跑人 字幕上是打回歸的皇子 可見其地位之高
02/15 07:17, 57F
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02/15 07:18, , 58F
kara現在實在是好可惜...已經確定即將在日本暴發的女團
02/15 07:18, 58F
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02/15 07:19, , 59F
不管後續處理得如何 但對kara整團的傷害還是照成了
02/15 07:19, 59F
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02/15 11:38, , 60F
真的很可惜阿.萬一拆開之後在日本能不能延續人氣就
02/15 11:38, 60F
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02/15 11:38, , 61F
變成未知數了
02/15 11:38, 61F
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02/15 11:45, , 62F
我想她們也不是不知道有多可惜....所以這麼堅持一定有她
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02/15 11:46, , 63F
們的理由
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02/15 11:49, , 64F
雖然覺得可惜但也沒辦法...反正就只能等了
02/15 11:49, 64F
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02/15 13:18, , 65F
雖然希望三妞可以過更好的生活 但更害怕以後看不到三
02/15 13:18, 65F
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02/15 13:19, , 66F
妞 光是這段時間看不到推特更新 不知不覺就增添了不少
02/15 13:19, 66F
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02/15 13:19, , 67F
距離感...
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02/15 13:55, , 68F
希望還有轉寰餘地啊!!!!雖然KARA沒神起夠力 不過SM和DSP
02/15 13:55, 68F
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比 更是更加邪惡的帝國啊!... 唉唉好煩喔
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02/15 21:39, , 70F
DSP應該想多是出善意或利多留人阿.難得在日發展大好
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02/15 21:41, , 71F
日幣賺起來比在韓國拼得要死怕被免洗掉.容易太多了
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外國藝人團體現在可以在日本賣到30幾萬張的cd不容易阿
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02/15 22:09, , 73F
DSP現在只剩下KARA這團能賺錢的了....
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