Re: [外絮] 潛意識中被定型了的林書豪

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已轉換成繁體 ============ After Game 6 an old topic that I have wanted to debate reappeared in my mind. I thought hard about writing this article in the past few day but after today ’s game it was I had to bring this up. I could’ve taken the time to write about Friday or today’s game but it would’ve been a waste of time and there is nothing good coming out of that. Instead, I want to talk about the underlying truth that’s been obscured by most, even by Jeremy Lin’s own selfless and calm personality. 第六戰打完，一個我以前琢磨了很久的話題又浮現出腦海。這幾天我一直在想把它寫出來，但是今天看完比賽，我覺得是時候把這個話題提出 來了。我可以花時間去寫星期五的那場比賽，但是我覺得那會是浪費時間，因為那些已經 都不重要了。相反，我想討論的話題卻是一個隱藏在很多人心裡，甚至可能也隱藏在林書 豪自己無私，冷靜的個性後面。 If you have followed me on Twitter you would know that I don’t necessarily like it when people play the racism card. I find it too simple and more of a reaction taken at the heat of the moment rather than a logical conclusion. You might also know that I’m not Asian. Therefore, what I’m going to talk about doesn’t come fromracial-preference. But, from my observations of what’s obviously a discrepancy in equal perception of Jeremy Lin compared to others and how this stereotypical perception has affected Lin’s current season and how it might shape his future in the NBA. 如果你關注我的推特，你就會知道我並不是很喜歡人家打種族牌。我覺得那個說法太簡單籠統，而且很容易在激烈的爭吵中被抓來用的論點，而 不是冷靜時的邏輯的結論。你可能也知道我並不是亞洲人。所以，我將談到的，並不是從 種族族裔的觀點出發的。但是，根據我的觀察，當人們想平等的比較林書豪和其他球員的 表現的時候，一種非常明顯的分歧，和定勢卻存在著，這樣的被定型的林書豪的直接影響 到他這個賽季，甚至可能影響到他以後在NBA的生涯。 (Before I go any further I must clarify my position on Steve Clifford’s treatment of Lin before I am misinterpreted. Clifford is not a Byron Scott or a Kevin McHale. In my opinion, he has treated Lin fairly during the entire season and more so than any other coach since Mike D’Antoni.) （在我開始談論之前，我想澄清一點，我對Clifford教練對待林書豪的方式的觀感。我認為Clifford跟BS，麥克海爾教練不一樣。我 認為，這個賽季他對林書豪還算公正，比丹東你以來其他教練都要更公正一些。） The underlying truth is that Jeremy Lin is not like any other NBA player. And I don’t mean that the way that you might think I do. I was at Time Warner Cable Arena for Game 6 thanks to a fellow Lin fan that was generous enough to give me a free ticket. As you all know Lin had a terrible game, there is no way to sugarcoat it. But, Lin is human, he is like every other NBA player which means he can have a bad game just like anyone else. Or maybe not. Because as I headed out to the exits the only thing I heard people talking about was Jeremy Lin’s horrible game. In game 6 Lin had 8 Points shooting 1/8 from the field in 23 minutes. It was indeed a bad night, but my question is, why did I only hear about Jeremy Lin having a bad game? Frank had 7 points in 35 minutes. Lee had 2 points (yes, two) in 39 minutes. Marvin Williams had 0 points shooting 0/7 in 37 minutes! Yet, I didn’t hear anyone talking about any of those players. Why is that? Why is it that it’s ok for Frank, Marvin and Lee to have bad games without their value diminishing but not for Jeremy Lin. 被隱藏的真相是林書豪不同於NBA中其他任何一個球員。而我說的可能跟你想像的並不一樣。季後賽第六戰我就在Time Warner Cable球場，感謝一位林書 豪的球迷的慷慨贈送的球票。大家都知道那一場林書豪的表現挺糟糕，這不用掩飾。但是 ，林也是普通人，他也和其他任何一個NBA球員一樣，也就是說他也會有打得不好的比賽 ，和其他任何一個球員一樣。也可能不是，因為在我往出口走的路上，我唯一聽到大家談 論的，就是林書豪的比賽有多糟糕。第六戰林8投一中拿到8分，上場23分鐘。 確實不是 好的比賽，可是，我的問題是，為什麼我只聽到人家談論林書豪打的不好？Frank 35分鐘 也只拿了7分，李拿2分，（沒錯，只有2分），上場時間卻有39分鐘。馬文上場37分鐘內7 投0中只拿0分。可是，我沒有聽到任何人談論這些球員，為什麼？ 為什麼Frank，馬文， 李都可以有很糟糕的比賽卻不會影響到他們價值，但是林書豪卻不可以？ 【圖片】Why is it that someone like Cory Joseph, who averaged 7/2/2 in 18 MPG last year, got a 7.5 M/YR contract this season; and Jeremy Lin who averaged 11/4.6/2.6 in 23 MPG last year got a miserable 2 M/YR contract? Even Jeremy Lamb got an extension of 7 M/YR averaging only 6/2/1 in 14 MPG last season. I know there is going to be a lot of arguments about contracts, but I don’t have time to dive into all the little details so let me go a bit further. 為什麼有的球員像 Cory Joseph （猛龍替補控衛），上個賽季場均18分鐘，7分2板2助攻就能拿到每年7.5米的合約，可是林書豪場均23分鐘 能拿11分4.6助攻2.6籃板，卻只拿到少得可憐的2米一年 的合約？甚至連Lamb都拿到7米一年的續簽合約，而Lamb只有14分鐘，6分2助攻1籃板而已 。我知道關於合約還可以有很多的探討，但是我現在沒有更多的時間鑽研這些細節可以討 論得更深入。 My argument is much more than contracts and money. It’s the fact that Lin’s bad games are treated differently than anyone else’s bad games. That Lin’s best games are treated differently than anyone else’s best games. Imagine that Lin was a stock in the market. In essence, when Lin has a great game his stock might stay the same or rise by 1-2%. When Lin has a bad game his stock plummets 80-90%. Yet, Batum can have a horrible game yet his value remains the same and no one questions his basketball abilities. Some may call this racism but I think that answer is too simple. I think there is a stereotypical subliminal perception of Lin, I know that’s a mouthful, but let me explain further. 我要討論的要超越合約的問題。我要談論的是這個現實存在，那就是林的表現差的比賽和其他球員差的比賽得到的是不一樣的對待。假 設林書豪是一支股票。當林有一場好的比賽的時候，他的股價可能漲1到2點，可是當他有 一場差的比賽的時候，他的股價可能掉個7，80點。可是，Batum可以有一場更糟糕的比賽 ，而他的股價卻不會變動多少，並且沒有人會去懷疑他的籃球能力。有些人會說這是種族 歧視，我覺得這樣說法還是太簡單化。 我覺得這是因為有一種潛意識中的將林書豪定型 的觀點，我知道這個說起來很繞口，還是讓我來解釋一下。 In Lin’s first season with the Rockets he averaged 13/6/3 in 32 MPG. After that “terrible” season he was benched the following year in favor of the infamous Patrick Beverley. Last season (first season without Lin) Beverley averaged 10/3/4 in 31 MPG. Beverley got a 6.25 M/YR contract after that season which was deemed as “ great.” 林書豪在火箭的第一個賽季，他場均32分鐘能拿到13分6助攻3籃板。這個“糟糕”的賽季過後，他被壓到板凳上，而被著名的貝弗裡取代。上個賽季是貝弗裡在沒有林 書豪同隊的第一個賽季，他場均10分3助攻4籃板，上場31分鐘。貝弗裡拿到了6.25米一年 的合約，而這個合約被普遍認為“非常合算”。 But for some unknown reason Lin’spoints, assists and rebounds per game have less value than everyone else’s he is compared with. But the stereotypical subliminal perception of Lin is not just about his value. Recently another Lin fan published a video that became viral about Lin’s “too flagrant not to call” fouls. I remember watching the first 2-3 minutes and I had to take the video off. I just couldn ’t keep on watching. These fouls were so flagrant yet sometimes Lin didn’t even get a common foul call. It was terrible. 但是因為一些莫須有的原因，林書豪的場均得分，助攻，籃板都比其他人相比就不值像等的價錢。而這些潛意識的對林書豪的 定型還不僅僅表現在合約身價上。最近網路流傳的一個林粉製作的視頻關於“林書豪被惡 犯卻不被吹罰”，我記得我看了兩三分鐘就不得不停止播放。因為我根本無法看下去。這 些犯規太嚴重了，可是林書豪有時卻連普通的犯規都得不到。這真的是無法接受。 In some way it’s like Lin is treated with a completely different set of standards. Let’s even bring it to today’s Game 7. The Hornet’s were having a terrible game and Lin was getting in his groove in the second quarter. Yet, he was benched and only played 9 minutes as the Hornets were down 12 at halftime. Clifford waited until they were down 20+ points to call his first time-out of the 3rd quarter. And guess who remained in the bench? Jeremy Lin. In fact, Lin finished with the same total amount points as Kemba Walker, who played 36 mins compared to Lin’s 19, in half the amount of shots. Yet again, no one is going to question Kemba’s basketball abilities just because of a bad game, and his value will not diminish either. 這個看上去就是林被用另一套規則來對待。讓我們來談談今天的第7戰。第二節時黃蜂表現極為糟糕而林書豪正在進入狀 態，可是，他被按回板凳，只打了9分鐘，而黃蜂半場時落後12分。Clifford教練等到他 們落後20+ 分的時候才叫了第三節的第一個暫停。猜猜誰還被留在板凳上？沒有錯，林書 豪。事實是，林書豪得到了和沃克一樣的分數，而沃克打了36分鐘，而林只有19分鐘上場 時間。但是，再一次，沒有人會因為這樣一場不好的比賽去質疑沃克的籃球能力，而他的 身價也不會因為這樣一場比賽而消失。 This subliminal stereotypical perception is so bad that I fear that Lin’s terrible Game 6 will undo most of what he has been able to accomplish during the entire season. I hope this is not the case. Thankfully we have been able to experience some good coverage on Lin after Game 4 and 5 of the playoffs. But the truth is that I expect Lin’s value to be lower than what it should be compared to other similar players unless there is a team that really wants him. My bet is on the Nets. I think they would be willing to give Lin the chance he deserves. Regardless, as good of a season he had, and as great as his teammates are if Lin stays, and everyone else does as well, he will commit career suicide. Lin would average less than 18 MPG next season for the Hornets if he stays. The only way I see that Lin stays is if Batum leaves. And believe me, I would love Lin to stay in Charlotte, I live in this city, but he shouldn’t, he can’t. Sadly, we won ’t be able to know anything anytime soon after our season was cut short. 這種潛意識中對林書豪的定型是這樣糟糕，我甚至擔心這場不好的第六戰會抹去一些他整個賽 季得到的成功，我希望不會是這樣。幸好林書豪打得好的幾場季後賽都得到廣泛的報導。 但是我覺得可能林書豪的身價還是會比跟他相當的球員低一些，除非有球隊真心需要他。 我最看好的是藍網。我覺得他們會希望給林書豪一個他值得的機會。不管怎麼說，雖然他 有一個很好的賽季，雖然他的隊友非常友善，他和隊友都非常融洽，但是如果他留下的話 ，對他的職業生涯來說幾乎是一種慢性自殺。下個賽季他將會得到少於18分鐘的上場時間 。唯一我覺得他可能可以留下的機會是巴圖 姆離開黃蜂。相信我，我會很高興林留在夏 洛特，我住在這個城市，但是他不應該留，他不能留。悲哀的是，在我們的賽季戛然而止 的今天，我們近期不會得知任何的結果。 What I been able to see in the last few years dissapoints me tremendously. I have seen Lin have great games, yet never getting the recognition or the value that he deserves. His basketball abilities and value is questioned every single bad game he has. But, the truth is Lin is human. He is not perfect, neither should he be. However, for most in the NBA Lin can never be good enough. I really hope that after these playoffs someone gives Lin the keys to run a team, but if history repeats himself, sadly, that won’t be the case. And Lin is too good to just be a 18 MPG role player. 過去幾年間我所見到的，讓我非常失望。我看到林有非常精彩的比賽，可是卻從來得不到他應該得到的認可。他的籃球能力和價值在每一場差的比賽後都被懷 疑。但是，林書豪是一個人，他不會是完美的，他也不需要是完美的。可是，對大多數的 NBA來說，林永遠是不夠好，我真的希望在這幾場季後賽表現後，林能有擁有一個屬於他 掌控的球隊，可惜，歷史總是重複的，悲哀的是，這不一定會發生，林總是被認為是只夠 格打18分鐘的角色球員。 -- 摸史隊長：「可以推……王永傑你在那邊鬧，快推塔啦！等等周小安你給我回…… 呂仲達你還跟著飛進去！！你們這一群智障！」 （系統音：NEXABC IS GODLIKE） ──隊長平凡的日常 X TPS 中二三本刀戰隊 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.253.28.17 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Jeremy_Lin/M.1462187122.A.ABD.html ※ 編輯: svg1031 (111.253.28.17), 05/02/2016 19:06:01
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05/02 19:07, , 1F
講得很好呀，懷疑的人現在立刻去NBA看談論Lin該拿多少
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※ 編輯: svg1031 (111.253.28.17), 05/02/2016 19:07:28
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的文章跟推文就知道了，黃種人都能這麼酸了，
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美國一定是十倍酸百倍酸，我一點都不覺得奇怪
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感恩贊嘆
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我信了
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黃種人是吧！行情價打個6折吧！不能再多了
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05/02 19:11, , 8F
補充一下，原文：https://goo.gl/NOio92
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拿CJ比也很奇怪 那是暴龍開得又不是公定價 季賽25.6分
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05/02 19:12, , 10F
跟lin差不多啊是考量暴龍雙衛防守都不好才簽他
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換句話說，林就不會有球隊開那個價，成績再好也一樣
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季後賽也差不多這時間 FGA只有.73的他很顯然上他不是
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為了進攻吧
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推~希望能看到林好好的打球
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黃種人嘛，行情打三折。貝貝6M你2M正常。
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而且我也不信大概都開2-4M是林自己選2M要怪黃蜂?
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市場預估悲觀點也有5M的
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很擔心他的下一張約,黃種人根本不可能被公平對待...唉..
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真的很心酸
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就跟G345打得多好都沒用,G6一場不好,G7輸了還要怪他?
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上季其實好像灰熊是開到12m/3y
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中肯 跟我發現的無異
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這篇文章意思是有看過NBA將季後賽勝負歸咎於backup pg?
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能贏3場lin絕對是關鍵，然後下一季也是只能打backup pg
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撇開lin亞裔身分，如果是其他球員，這樣季後賽表現
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且未來三年是巔峰期，然後討論300-700這種價碼
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去年西冠現在還在拼命提 換到林就只提g6 中外酸民都一樣XD
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這沒什麼好說的 Linsanity 就是基於亞裔的身份 才會
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廣泛被老外所強調 所以 也自然會一直以這樣的標準來
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看林 相信這個也是他不喜歡人家提Linsanity
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的原因 偏偏很多林的球迷還是動不動就把打得好的比
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賽稱做 "終於又有林來瘋時期的感動" 等等 掛在嘴邊
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樓上讓我想到提出米國式冷遇這概念的天才XD
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其實林比林來瘋時期進步了N倍 用林來瘋時期形容確實怪
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寫的很好。推
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還有 137 則推文
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Asked Lin if plan is to opt out, sign long-term deal
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with @hornets: "Yeah I think that would be the perfec
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situation if that could happen."
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說不定15M/3Y就簽了
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15M/3y 那就是每場上20分鐘的咖了
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今年大通膨 薪資應該至少有往年的1.25倍甚至到1.5倍
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如果簽5M/Y 那定位就不會是第六人 而只是輪換名單的價碼
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林書豪真的該拚一張好約，超過三年7M/Y 低於三年要9M/Y
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再來一張25M/3Y應該是基本要做到的
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大概看了下教練說的，感覺下季就是要打坎巴巴吞與MKG.
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我覺得有趣的事情是林大可以看LEE怎麼簽約 我講的價碼
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LEE他是很大機率簽的到 但重點是黃蜂會不會出這價簽LEE
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基本上吞哥頂新(80M~100M/5~6Y)跑不了 AL很可憐但掰定了
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剩下簽內線就很頭痛了 LEE跟林留一個甚至都留不住 原本
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就會是黃蜂季外可能會遭遇的狀況
05/03 00:00, 190F
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05/03 00:01, , 191F
黃蜂結業式Lin講的話,怎麼有去年湖人的既視感...?
05/03 00:01, 191F
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05/03 00:24, , 192F
所以已經開始有球隊接觸林了？
05/03 00:24, 192F
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05/03 00:26, , 193F
林說了什麼?
05/03 00:26, 193F
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05/03 07:45, , 194F
推一樓！
05/03 07:45, 194F
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05/03 08:02, , 195F
別再血汗了
05/03 08:02, 195F
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05/03 08:04, , 196F
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05/03 08:04, 196F
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05/03 09:17, , 197F
奇怪了會這樣定型不就是因為種族歧視嗎？
05/03 09:17, 197F
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05/03 09:51, , 198F
林自己說過，他打不好會看起來像0分打好會看起來像100分，
05/03 09:51, 198F
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05/03 09:51, , 199F
但其實他是介於中間
05/03 09:51, 199F
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05/03 11:41, , 200F
今年的感覺 有吞哥就別留了 不是吞哥不好 而是重疊了
05/03 11:41, 200F
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05/03 11:41, , 201F
但是巴吞又比林還強 所以...
05/03 11:41, 201F
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05/03 12:23, , 202F
好多林強啊 有新歌了嗎QQ
05/03 12:23, 202F
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05/03 13:10, , 203F
明年有MKG和簽Batum就不用考慮了 總不能靠他們受傷才上場
05/03 13:10, 203F
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05/03 14:36, , 204F
結果把白邊簽過來XD
05/03 14:36, 204F
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05/03 16:30, , 205F
林有幾個明顯的問題，投射能力有時讓人非常擔心
05/03 16:30, 205F
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05/03 16:31, , 206F
他對球隊的期待，相對其他球員不同，未必開高薪就去
05/03 16:31, 206F
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05/03 16:32, , 207F
不然做為球員，其實他是很好的球員，不管先發或替補
05/03 16:32, 207F
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05/03 16:33, , 208F
然後，他有時候在球迷認為該出手時，反而傳出去
05/03 16:33, 208F
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05/03 16:34, , 209F
當然，場上的情形他最清楚，可是他出手相對不夠積極
05/03 16:34, 209F
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05/03 21:53, , 210F
不積極也有可能是被連續幾隊的球隊老大磨出來的
05/03 21:53, 210F
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05/04 04:14, , 211F
是沒錯，前幾隊讓他出手更節制，但這樣會給人一個印象
05/04 04:14, 211F
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05/04 04:15, , 212F
所以要他自己去克服，就像Walker要他積極一樣
05/04 04:15, 212F
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05/04 21:18, , 213F
也要重要時刻 教練給他上場積極就是..
05/04 21:18, 213F
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05/31 07:31, , 214F
不用懷疑，就是種族歧視
05/31 07:31, 214F
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06/20 00:14, , 215F
廢到笑 趕快退一退拉
06/20 00:14, 215F
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