[轉錄]Re: [外絮] David Stern's Latest Target

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※ [本文轉錄自 NBA 看板] 作者: pedroremorse (I love Tchaikovsky...) 看板: NBA 標題: Re: [外絮] David Stern's Latest Target: Kobe Br … 時間: Sun May 2 04:03:54 2010 : David Stern's Latest Target: Kobe Bryant : 史騰下一個目標:KOBE BRYANT 我先聲明，如果你看到任何侮辱性或是爭議性用詞，那都是作者寫的，我只是翻譯... : Yesterday's game between the Lakers and OKC Thunder was an insult to fans : worldwide. I don't care what team you were rooting for, but anybody with half : a brain cell knows by now that the NBA is rigged and that David Stern has an : agenda. The free throw differentials, phantom calls favoring Kevin Durant, : and the fact that Kobe Bryant did not attempt a single free throw sealed the 昨天的湖人雷霆之戰對全世界的球迷來說根本是種侮辱，我才不管你支持哪隊， 任何一個腦袋沒完全燒壞的人都知道現今的NBA根本被操縱了，而且史騰的劇本 早已寫好了。罰球數的差異，KD的金身與無盡的愛，以及Kobe根本沒有半次罰球的事實， 這些現象使我下了個結論。 : deal for me. The fact that the refs were paid and employed by the league and : that the most trusted "company men", namely Dick Bavetta, Joey : "I-challenged-Tim-Duncan-to-a-fight" Crawford, and Steve : "I-hate-Allen-Iverson" Javie all have personal vendetta against certain : teams, players, and coaches and have the power to dictate free throw attempts : and the flow of the game. Granted, Bryant and the Lakers, once the golden : child of the NBA, were once at the opposite end of the equation when they : beat the Kings in the 2002 Western Conference Final aka one of the biggest : disgrace in sports history, but it does not justify what the league is doing : to Bryant at this stage of his career. Such manipulation is disgusting and 聯盟聘的這群裁判，也就是Dick Bavetta、Joey「微笑TD」Crawford、 Steve「我恨AI」Javie，都把私底下對特定球員、球隊、教練的憤恨帶到球場上， 任意操縱罰球吹判與比賽的節奏。就算Kobe與湖人2002年在西區決賽對國王隊 做了什麼好事(那是運動史上最醜陋的一面)，但是這不代表聯盟現在就可以這樣 對待Kobe。 : despicable. It is also one of the primary reasons that many longtime fans : have become disillusioned in recent years. Stern let Tim Donaghy take the : fall while continue to push forward his vision to transform the NBA into a : league full of boring, emotionless Uncle Toms with no swagger, authenticity, : individuality, Tim Duncan clones, and LeBron James. 這種操作手法太噁心而且卑鄙。這也是為什麼許多NBA的老球迷對這個聯盟感到心寒 的主要原因之一。史藤讓Tim Donaghy負責揹黑鍋，然後繼續執行他的計畫， 也就是要將NBA改造成充滿無趣、缺乏激情、乖乖牌、忠厚老實的可憐黑奴TD複製人大軍， 以及LBJ。 : I already predicted several months ago when I wrote about David Stern and the : media's effort to sabotage, marginalize, phase out, and destroy the careers : of superstars Allen Iverson, Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, Paul Pierce, : Gilbert Arenas, etc through officiating, trades, blackballing, and negative : media coverage. The ultimate plan is to make the league revolve around LeBron : James and give him the godlike status a la Michael Jordan. All the obstacles 我好幾個月前的文章就預測到了，史騰以及媒體利用裁判哨音、交易、排擠、負面新聞 來刻意破壞、邊緣化、毀滅像是AI、T-Mac、VC、PP、Arenas這些超級巨星的籃球生涯。 這個造神計畫的最終目的是讓這整個聯盟都圍繞著LBJ轉，就像MJ當年一樣。 : along the way must be cleared out. The most popular players are seeing their : careers sabotaged one by one while Stern's media cronies continue to spread : lies to further the claim that these guys are washed up when they are clearly : better than most of the young stat stuffers (Kevin Martin, Monta Ellis, Danny : Granger, Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant) in this league. As far as sabotaging, 所以妨礙LBJ登基的路障全部都要掃除。這些最受歡迎的球員眼睜睜看著自己的籃球生涯 就這樣被史騰在媒體界的心腹這樣鯨吞蠶食，看著這些媒體宣稱自己已經過氣了， 而那些年輕只會灌數據的球員((Kevin Martin, Ellis, Granger, Rose, Durant) 竟然會比自己還要優秀。 : the Allen Iverson example was the most obvious since he was not injured like : T-Mac and is a lot more popular than Paul Pierce ever has been, but what we : are about to witness is significantly more crooked and obvious than the A.I. : case. Minor tweaking and sabotaging of marginal players have been going on : for decades (Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis, Isaiah Rider, Dennis Rodman, : Ruben Patterson, Bonzi Wells, etc are blackballed out of the NBA while Great : White Hope like Brian Cardinal, Mark Madsen, Mark Pope, Sean Marks, and Ryan : Bowen continue to find work.), but the underhanded, intentional effort to : undermine superstars' careers in order to legitimize his golden child was : largely unprecedented. Stern's brave new world is now onto its last phase: : the destruction of Kobe Bryant. AI就是最好的例子，他不像T-Mac那樣傷病纏身，而且人氣比PP還要高N倍，但是我們即將 要看到比AI更誇張的例子。摧殘邊緣化球員不是沒有先例，像是Marbury、Francis、 Isaiah Rider、Rodman、Ruben Patterson、Bonzi Wells都被排擠出聯盟，但是所謂的 NBA白人希望Brian Cardinal、Mark Madsen、Mark Pope、Sean Marks、Ryan Bowen 竟然都還能留下。儘管如此，這個企圖幫助史騰心中的金童登基的秘密邪惡計畫實在是 史無前例的恐怖。史騰企圖打造美麗新世界的劇本已經來到最後一步：摧毀Kobe。 : The operation to sabotage Kobe Bryant is the most difficult one out of all. : He plays in one of the biggest markets in LA. He is a beloved figure in : Southern California, having played there his entire career. He is very : marketable, charismatic and, no homo, good-looking. Before his sexual assault : trial, he had a squeaky clean image with no off-the-court issues or tattoos. : If Allen Iverson symbolizes the anti-establishment during the post-Jordan : era, then Kobe Bryant was once the golden child of the NBA and David Stern. 摧毀Kobe比摧毀其他球星都來得難：他在世上最大的市場之一的LA打球，他是南加州人 的最愛，他始終沒有離開過這裡。他非常有市場價值、獨具魅力、而且長得好看。 在他的性侵醜聞之前，他擁有乾淨的形象，也沒有渾身刺青。如果說AI代表的是 後喬丹時代的反抗形象，那麼Kobe就曾經是NBA與史騰的心目中的金童。 : Full disclosure: I love watching Kobe Bryant plays the game of basketball, : but I never like him the way I like A.I. However, for the integrity of the : game and my firm belief that the best players should play, I will not stand : by idly while watching the media and Stern sabotage his career the way they : did to A.I. I don't believe Stern has what it takes to destroy Kobe Bryant : the way he did to Allen Iverson. Bryant will never be asked to leave LA the 揭露事情真相： 我喜歡看Kobe打球，但我從未像我喜歡LA般那麼喜歡Kobe個人。但是，為了球賽的 公正以及我個人的堅定信念，也就是NBA裡的球員應該是球打得最好的球員。我不會 默默站在一旁看著史騰用摧毀AI生涯的方式來摧毀Kobe。我不相信史騰有辦法以 摧毀AI的手段來摧毀Kobe。 : way A.I. was thrown around (forced to play half-court set and teamball in : Detroit. got benched in favor of scrub Rodney Stuckey. playing 8th man : minutes a year after having his most efficient season with 27 points and 7 : assists in 2008 and led Denver to franchise record in wins. Billups only led : them to 3 more wins the year after despite all the accolades.) No matter how : the media spin it, Bryant has a home to go to. But it is not far fetched to : say that Bryant probably will never win another title in his career as the : franchise player. Kobe永遠不會被要求離開LA，不會像AI那樣被丟來丟去，被迫要在底特律打半場與 團隊籃球、當Stuckey那樣的二流球員上場時只能坐板凳，在他最有效率的一季 (AI那季27分 7助攻，並且帶領丹佛創下勝場紀錄，Billups只讓金塊多了3勝) 之後只能當球隊第八人。不論媒體怎麼搞，Kobe至少還有家可歸。但是如果說 Kobe再也不能以球隊第一人的身分帶領球隊得到冠軍，這也不是什麼不可能的事。 : One has to ask the rhetorical question: What is the point in all this? Why : does Stern bother to lash out against Phil Jackson? Aren't marketable players : like Kobe Bryant and Allen Iverson good for the league? Before we could : psychoanalyze Stern, we must recap a bit of his history. 你可能會問：這到底是為什麼? 為什麼史騰要特意對付Phil Jackson? 難道讓Kobe與AI這樣高市場價值的球員在聯盟裡打球不好嗎? 在我們對史騰做精神分析之前，要先來看一下歷史。 : Stern became the NBA commissioner in 1984 succeeding Larry O'Brien. : Coincidentally, it was the same year when the famed "Class of '84", : consisting of Michael Jordan, Hakeem Olajuwon, Charles Barkley, and John : Stockton, entered the league. At that point, the league was on the verge of : bankruptcy. Stern was able to revive the league through the popularity of : Michael Jordan, who dispelled the long-held notion that you can't win a : championship without a dominant big man. Jordan, who became a global icon, 史騰在1984年接替Larry O'Brien成為NBA的總裁。巧合的是，那一年正好是 超級黃金1984梯(MJ、Olajuwon、Barkley、Stockton)進入聯盟的時候。 在那個時候，聯盟幾乎要破產。史藤靠著MJ的超高人氣讓聯盟起死回生， MJ打破了「沒有強力長人就沒有冠軍」這項相傳已久的魔咒。 : was arguably the most marketable athlete in the history of sports and the : NBA's profit increased exponentially. Since Michael Jordan's second : retirement with the Bulls in 1998, Stern has been desperately looking for the : next MJ as a mean to recreate his battle-tested marketing formula. He was not : the marketing genius some credit him to be, but one of the many businessmen : (like Nike founder Phil Knight), who profited from the presence of a : once-in-a-lifetime talent like Michael Jordan. MJ成為了全球偶像，他很可能是史上最具市場價值的運動員，NBA營收也因而大幅增加。 自從MJ在1998於公牛二度退休後，史藤積極尋找MJ接班人來實現他的大計。史藤並不像 許多人說的那麼有商業頭腦，他就像NIKE的創辦人Phil Knight，都是受益於像MJ 那樣畢生難逢的籃球天才。 : In the past decade, numerous efforts have shown that the NBA is no longer : what it once was. Aside from the 2002 WCF, the 2006 NBA finals (when Stern : let his personal beef with Mark Cuban get in the way), and last year's : blatant example during the Cavs-Magic series (it backfired, which resulted in : the Cavs acquisition of Shaquille O'Neal and Antawn Jamison. With 3 of the : starters from last year's team now coming off the bench, Stern is ensuring : last year won't happen again.) The rigging also extends to regular season : game, with the most prominent example occurring on March 31, 2010 when the : Cavs, Stern's favorite team, defeated the Bucks 101-98 due to a free throw : differential of 45-9. It just shows that Stern is willing to do anything to 在過去十年中，NBA已經不同於以往。除了2002年的國王湖人，2006年的熱火小牛 (史藤與檔路的庫班口水滿天飛)，以及去年手法非常露骨的魔術騎士(不過也因為這系列， 騎士得到O'Neal與Jamison，板凳球員裡有三個去年的先發球員，史騰要確保去年 那樣的事情不會再度發生)。史藤的魔掌也伸到了季賽，最有名的例子是2010年3月31日， 騎士(史藤的最愛)靠著45-9的罰球差距以101-98擊敗了公鹿。這代表史藤願意盡一切 努力來確保LBJ可以像MJ那樣登基。 : legitimize LeBron James as the next MJ. Other beloved superstars from the : post-Jordan era must be trashed by the media and eased out of the spotlight : and be replaced by boring guys you can't pick out of a crowd aka Tim Duncan : clones (Derrick Rose, Kevin Durant, Brandon Roy, Joe Johnson, Chris Bosh, : Dwight Howard, Deron Williams, Blake Griffin, Greg Oden, Aaron Brooks, Danny : Granger, Tyreke Evans, Trevor Ariza, Rodney Stuckey, Rudy Gay, Brook Lopez, : Devin Harris, Russell Westbrook, etc) who are better suited to play second : fiddle to LeBron James. Except for their hometown fans, fans worldwide will : never love these guys the way they love A.I., Kobe, T-Mac, Vinsanity, KG, or : even Starbury and Stevie Franchise, which makes their ascents a blessing to : the crowning of LeBron James. 其他後喬丹時代受喜愛的超級巨星都必須被媒體當垃圾批評與被奪走鎂光燈。他們必須被 像TD那樣窮極無聊、辨識性低的球員取代(如Rose, Durant, Roy, JJ, Bosh, DH, DW, Griffin, Oden, 小AB, Granger, Evans, Ariza, Stuckey, Gay, Lopez, Harris, Westbrook等等)，這些人最適合用以襯托LBJ。除了那些當地的球迷，其他全球的球迷 永遠不會像喜愛AI、Kobe、T-Mac、VC、KG，甚至是Marbury或Francis那般喜歡這批 TD複製人。這些無趣球員的崛起，對LBJ的登基來說實在是大大有利。 : Why were the media trashing A.I. so hard when : he was voted in as a starter even though the Sixers are .500 with him this : season and 10-40 without him? Why did Devin Harris make the all-star game : last season instead of Vince Carter? It's clear that Vinsanity was the one : holding the Nets from falling apart the past few years. Why didn't Vince : Carter make the all-star team this year despite being on one of the top : teams? Why is the media insinuating that Rajon Rondo is better than Paul : Pierce when it is obvious that Pierce is just sacrificing his stats and : playing teamball? Why did role player Al Horford make the all-star team : instead of Shaquille O'Neal when they are putting up similar stats and Shaq : was on a better team and is one of the biggest names? Why does Chris Bosh get 為什麼當AI被票選為明星賽先發，他在時七六人有五成勝率，而當他不在時只有 10-40這樣的成績時，媒體都還這麼唾棄他? 為什麼Harris上一季入選明星賽，而非VC? 很明顯是VC在其幾季讓籃網免於沉淪。 為什麼VC這季沒有被選入明星賽，而他的球隊是聯盟最強隊之一? 為什麼媒體暗示Rondo比PP更出色，但是其實PP是為了打團隊籃球而犧牲他的數據? 為什麼 Al Horford可以入選明星賽，而不是數據類似，而且球隊戰績更好的 Shaquille O'Neal? : a pass for being a perennial loser in his 7 seasons in the league despite a : decent supporting cast while T-Mac and Vince get trashed when their : supporting casts were far worse? Why did Brandon Roy make the all-star team : in his sophomore year ahead of Baron Davis? Why did cheap owner Gordon Gund : sell the team a year after drafting LeBron James? Why is LeBron James getting : top 4 payrolls in the league and going over the luxury tax every season for : the past 5 years despite being in a small market? Why are they calling T-Mac : washed up while letting Amare Stoudemire and Jason Kidd to take their time : coming back from microfracture surgery? Some of these questions may seem : inconsequential, but these are all efforts by Stern and the media to usher : out some of the biggest names from the spotlight and introduce/market : inferior players as stars and brainwash the fans into believing that. 為什麼Bosh這個有好隊友的萬年失敗者都沒事，但是隊友遠遠較差的T-Mac與VC 卻要遭到批評? 為什麼Roy在還是二年級生時就可以進明星賽而不是Baron Davis? 為什麼沒財力的前騎士老闆Gordon Gund在選到LBJ後反而要賣掉球隊? 為什麼LBJ在小市場的城市依然還可以有聯盟團隊薪資第四高並且付豪華稅的球隊? 為什麼他們說Amare與Kidd在手術後依然掌握球賽，而T-Mac就是過氣球員? 這些問題看似不合理，但是這些都是史藤與媒體為了從超級巨星身上奪走鎂光燈， 以及引入沒有市場價值的球員所做的努力，而且他們對球迷進行洗腦，讓球迷相信一切。 : There has been a lot of talks about Kobe Bryant being washed up and about : Kevin Durant overtaking him as the de facto "second best" player in the : league in the past couple of months. I don't buy it. In fact, I don't : consider LeBron James the best player in the league. Dwyane Wade could : probably win a title with his supporting cast. Allen Iverson probably could : as well if Stern did not f*ck with his head that much the past couple of : years. Hell, Paul Pierce probably could. I'm not a Lakers fan, but it is : clear that Kobe Bryant is doing more with less than LeBron James, who kills : ball movement with his overdribbling. Say what you want about James not 這幾個月來，人們都說Kobe已經走下坡，而Durant實質上已經取代他成為聯盟第二 優秀的球員。我才不買帳呢。事實上，我不認為LBJ是這聯盟最好的球員。 如果有好的隊友，Wade極有可能贏得總冠軍。如果條件相同，AI也很有可能拿冠軍， 如果史騰在過去這幾年不搞這些他媽的伎倆。該死，PP也有很能可能拿冠軍。 我不是湖人迷，但是很顯然地，Kobe比LBJ做得更好，LBJ只會過度運球，破壞球的流動。 : having a "supporting cast", but the Cavs team is a lot more stacked than the : Lakers for at least the past 3 years. Why is Kevin Durant getting all these : undeserved accolades when he doesn't play any defense and is turning the ball : over even though he's not even the team's primary ballhandler? Why does the : media have such a huge boner for ballhog Derrick Rose when his team always : underachieve and he takes 18 shots to score 20 points? I don't care about his : field goal percentage. Guys like Rose and Joe Johnson are the epitome of : inefficiency because they're too chicken to draw fouls even though the refs : are already favoring them. 你可以說LBJ沒有好隊友，隨便你，但是騎士在過去三年來陣容比湖人都更好。 為什麼Durant防守爛，不是球隊的主要控球者還愛黏球，依然還能得到這麼多 不該屬於他的掌聲? 為什麼媒體看到Rose超級無敵黏球，公牛總是打得不如預期， 而且他要靠出手18次才能拿到20分時，依然興奮得像勃起一樣? 我才不在乎他的命中率，像Rose與JJ這種人，是低效率的最好典範，因為即使 受到裁判哨音偏愛，他們依然太過懦弱，甚至不敢切入吸引犯規。 ------------------------ 典型的陰謀論文章，翻到一半才發覺作者文筆超犀利，超不留情， 其實我已經把原文稍微溫和化一點了 = =|| 作者一口氣戰幾十個球員，也實在厲害... -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 140.112.214.141
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05/02 04:09,
是說AIKOBE價值要到尾端了所以該換掉以免影響LBJ等
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05/02 04:12,
史藤：不爽不要看
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05/02 04:13,
先推辛苦翻譯m(_ _)m 不過陰謀論的太過了一些，中肯
05/02 04:13
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05/02 04:13,
非常非常偏激 不過滿滿的戰點
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05/02 04:14,
肯的部分有，可是大多數情形沒有那麼嚴重
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05/02 04:15,
難怪lpj平常那副嘴臉囂張的讓人這麼討厭
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05/02 04:16,
這發在白天比賽時間的話...哈
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05/02 04:17,
先補血，明天要戰翻天了吧，噓到深處無怨尤
05/02 04:17
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05/02 04:18,
原作者：一個一個戰太麻煩了。通通綁在一起戰吧!
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05/02 04:19,
喔 都給他說就好了
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05/02 04:19,
滿中肯的 史騰跟LBJ吃相難看早就不是新聞?
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05/02 04:20,
全面銷毀LBJ頭頂被灌籃的影帶事件 就很明顯了
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05/02 04:22,
我只是看到這篇文章很長 所以拿來當翻譯練習...
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05/02 04:26,
靠 還蠻有意思的 也推pedroremorse辛苦的翻譯
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05/02 04:26,
LBJ備屎疼捧LP又不是一天兩天的事了~
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05/02 04:31,
認同Stern有陰謀 但這篇寫得太過誇張 好像無惡不做..
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05/02 04:36,
不過這一兩年，過去的球星真的凋零的很快啊！
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05/02 04:37,
辛苦推
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05/02 04:38,
真的是有一種世代交替的感覺，也難怪會有陰謀論了。
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05/02 04:39,
有些球員明明就能在1/3球隊先發，卻淪落替補或沒人要
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05/02 04:40,
球隊寧可擺爛養新人抽選秀權，例子也越來越多～
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05/02 04:46,
這篇文章是zsh寫的吧
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05/02 04:53,
不否認lpj是下個世代的接班者，如果說每個世代的代
05/02 04:53
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05/02 04:54,
表球星都有種特質，那喬神就是神的化身
05/02 04:54
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05/02 04:55,
非常偏機 很多都立論不足 實在是浪費時間
05/02 04:55
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05/02 04:56,
kobe是唯我獨尊，LB嘛...大概是那種自以為的囂張吧
05/02 04:56
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05/02 04:57,
整篇充滿矛盾 真的是一篇討戰文
05/02 04:57
推
05/02 04:57,
淚推T-Mac
05/02 04:57
推
05/02 04:58,
這個想太多了吧... 騎士過去三年隊友比湖人好
05/02 04:58
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05/02 04:58,
看到這句我就關文章了
05/02 04:58
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05/02 04:59,
寫這種鳥文章,連到台科門口要飯的資格都沒有
05/02 04:59
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05/02 05:02,
看到Roy第二年選進明星賽.. 人家前一年拿ROY
05/02 05:02
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05/02 05:02,
他的成熟早有目共睹了..何況這是球迷投票 跟造神何關
05/02 05:02
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05/02 05:03,
就算是替補也是教練選的不是嗎...
05/02 05:03
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05/02 05:05,
屎疼下台!! 淚推麥帝
05/02 05:05
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05/02 05:06,
太偏激了 不過這給了湖迷輸球的好藉口
05/02 05:06
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05/02 05:06,
湖迷趕快把這篇文章拿回去供奉
05/02 05:06
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05/02 05:10,
推 很多問題的確以前沒想過 有些說得蠻有道理的
05/02 05:10
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05/02 05:11,
但是騎士陣容比湖人好 這個地方怪怪的
05/02 05:11
還有 182 則推文
推
05/02 11:02,
推這篇
05/02 11:02
噓
05/02 11:04,
原來KB和TD都沒有愛 冠軍戒是天上掉下來的
05/02 11:04
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05/02 11:04,
乾脆把hill penny 德佬沒拿到冠軍戒的責任都推給史騰
05/02 11:04
推
05/02 11:06,
這作者把事實說出來了
05/02 11:06
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05/02 11:08,
很多寫的超爛的....
05/02 11:08
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05/02 11:12,
前面寫的很好，後面爛尾
05/02 11:12
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05/02 11:14,
前面還OK 後面討論KOBE LBJ就是屁話 笑死人
05/02 11:14
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05/02 11:15,
"LBJ只會過度運球，破壞球的流動" 眼睛瞎了吧
05/02 11:15
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05/02 11:16,
為什麼他們說Amare與Kidd在手術後依然掌握球賽，而
05/02 11:16
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05/02 11:16,
T-MAC是過氣球員? 說得蠻貼切 媒體灌輸我們的
05/02 11:16
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05/02 11:17,
翻譯辛苦了
05/02 11:17
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05/02 11:17,
前三年的騎士陣容 這點不認同
05/02 11:17
噓
05/02 11:20,
只覺得裁判部分合理 其他狗屁
05/02 11:20
推
05/02 11:24,
只好給推了
05/02 11:24
噓
05/02 11:26,
Amare 跟 Kidd 在手術後的季後賽真的有掌握球賽嗎...
05/02 11:26
推
05/02 11:27,
推翻意. 作者是反串科迷吧~ 他其實是想酸KB~
05/02 11:27
推
05/02 11:30,
太偏激了打壓其他球員 不如說那些人老化快
05/02 11:30
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05/02 11:30,
辛苦翻譯推回來好了~~
05/02 11:30
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05/02 11:31,
實力就是不如LBJ 而且只剩LBJ NBA會很難看....
05/02 11:31
推
05/02 11:31,
翻的很棒幫推
05/02 11:31
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05/02 11:32,
跟喬丹打球的帥氣度差太多了
05/02 11:32
噓
05/02 11:39,
看了半天 這篇還是要噓一下好了 一半以上的廢文
05/02 11:39
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05/02 11:41,
樓上...人家辛苦翻譯 要不然你來翻譯啊.!!!
05/02 11:41
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05/02 11:42,
翻譯辛苦了，但文章內容太爛給箭頭
05/02 11:42
推
05/02 11:52,
1.PP拿過冠軍了, 2.LBJ過度運球???
05/02 11:52
噓
05/02 11:53,
純噓原作者 典型的妄想症人格
05/02 11:53
推
05/02 11:54,
翻得很棒呀
05/02 11:54
推
05/02 11:56,
推~~
05/02 11:56
推
05/02 11:56,
辛苦原po了
05/02 11:56
推
05/02 12:01,
淚推 某些小部份好像有點道理?
05/02 12:01
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05/02 12:01,
借轉感謝您 感謝
05/02 12:01
噓
05/02 12:01,
完全狗屁不通 沒有證據 矛盾論理 陰謀論 自以為
05/02 12:01
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推
05/02 15:08, , 1F
02國王對湖人季後賽真的很黑
05/02 15:08, 1F
推
05/02 17:11, , 2F
不過我覺得Kobe沒罰球這件事情跟陰謀扯不上關係
05/02 17:11, 2F
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05/02 17:11, , 3F
也不覺得K.Durant的罰球是金身 只能說太偏頗
05/02 17:11, 3F
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05/02 17:11, , 4F
以Kobe季後賽的打法 要犯規本來就很困難
05/02 17:11, 4F
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05/02 18:57, , 5F
這篇我本來在總板有回 後來被亂噓 有點不爽就刪了
05/02 18:57, 5F
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05/02 22:16, , 6F
kobe的球品若好一點 他會是偉大的球員
05/02 22:16, 6F
推
05/04 21:10, , 7F
這篇滿有趣的
05/04 21:10, 7F
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