[新聞] 秘密文件洩露將破壞美國對阿富汗戰爭的 …

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標題:Document Leak May Hurt Efforts to Build War Support 新聞來源: 紐約時報 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/28/world/asia/28wikileaks.html?_r=1&hp Document Leak May Hurt Efforts to Build War Support By ERIC SCHMITT and HELENE COOPER Published: July 26, 2010 WASHINGTON — The disclosure of a six-year archive of classified military documents increased pressure on President Obama to defend his military strategy as Congress prepares to deliberate financing of the Afghanistan war. The disclosures, with their detailed account of a war faring even more poorly than two administrations had portrayed, landed at a crucial moment. Because of difficulties on the ground and mounting casualties in the war, the debate over the American presence in Afghanistan has begun earlier than expected. Inside the administration, more officials are privately questioning the policy. In Congress, House leaders were rushing to hold a vote on a critical war-financing bill as early as Tuesday, fearing that the disclosures could stoke Democratic opposition to the measure. A Senate panel is also set to hold a hearing on Tuesday on Mr. Obama’s choice to head the military’s Central Command, Gen. James N. Mattis, who would oversee military operations in Afghanistan. Administration officials acknowledged that the documents, released on the Internet by an organization called WikiLeaks, will make it harder for Mr. Obama as he tries to hang on to public and Congressional support until the end of the year, when he has scheduled a review of the war effort. “We don’t know how to react,” one frustrated administration official said on Monday. “This obviously puts Congress and the public in a bad mood.” Mr. Obama is facing a tough choice: he must either figure out a way to convince Congress and the American people that his war strategy remains on track and is seeing fruit — a harder sell given that the war is lagging — or move more quickly to a far more limited American presence. As the debate over the war begins anew, administration officials have been striking tones similar to the Bush administration’s to argue for continuing the current Afghanistan strategy, which calls for a significant troop buildup. Richard C. Holbrooke, Mr. Obama’s special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan, said the Afghan war effort came down to a matter of American national security, in testimony before the Foreign Relations Committee two weeks ago. The White House press secretary, Robert Gibbs, struck a similar note on Monday in responding to the documents, which WikiLeaks made accessible to The New York Times, the British newspaper The Guardian and the German magazine Der Spiegel. “We are in this region of the world because of what happened on 9/11,” Mr. Gibbs said. “Ensuring that there is not a safe haven in Afghanistan by which attacks against this country and countries around the world can be planned. That’s why we’re there, and that’s why we’re going to continue to make progress on this relationship.” Several administration officials privately expressed hope that they might be able to use the leaks, and their description of a sometimes duplicitous Pakistani ally, to pressure the government of Pakistan to cooperate more fully with the United States on counterterrorism. The documents seem to lay out rich new details of connections between the Taliban and other militant groups and Pakistan’s main spy agency, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI. Three administration officials separately expressed hope that they might be able to use the documents to gain leverage in efforts to get more help from Pakistan. Two of them raised the possibility of warning the Pakistanis that Congressional anger might threaten American aid. “This is now out in the open,” a senior administration official said. “It’ s reality now. In some ways, it makes it easier for us to tell the Pakistanis that they have to help us.” But much of the pushback from the White House over the past two days has been to stress that the connection between the ISI and the Taliban was well known. “I don’t think that what is being reported hasn’t in many ways been publicly discussed, either by you all or by representatives of the U.S. government, for quite some time,” Mr. Gibbs said during a briefing on Monday. While agreeing that the disclosures were not altogether new, some leading Democrats said that the new details underscored deep suspicions they have harbored toward the ISI. “Some of these documents reinforce a longstanding concern of mine about the supporting role of some Pakistani officials in the Afghan insurgency,” said Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat who heads the Armed Services Committee. During a visit to Pakistan this month, Mr. Levin, who has largely supported the war, said he confronted senior Pakistani leaders about the ISI’ s continuing ties to the militant groups. And others said that the documents should serve as an impetus to correct deficiencies in strategy. “Those policies are at a critical stage, and these documents may very well underscore the stakes and make the calibrations needed to get the policy right more urgent,” said Senator John Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat who is the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee and has been an influential supporter of the war. The White House appeared to be focusing some of its ire toward Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks.org, the Web site that provided access to about 92,000 secret military reports spanning the period from January 2004 through December 2009. White House officials e-mailed reporters select transcripts of an interview Mr. Assange conducted with Der Spiegel, underlining the quotations the White House apparently found most offensive. Among them was Mr. Assange’s assertion, “I enjoy crushing bastards.” At a news conference in London on Monday, Mr. Assange defended the release of the documents. “I’d like to see this material taken seriously and investigated, and new policies, if not prosecutions, result from it,” he said. The Times and the two other news organizations agreed not to disclose anything that was likely to put lives at risk or jeopardize military or antiterrorist operations, and The Times redacted the names of Afghan informants and other delicate information from the documents it published. WikiLeaks said it withheld posting about 15,000 documents for the same reason. Pakistan strongly denied suggestions that its military spy service has guided the Afghan insurgency. A senior ISI official, speaking on the condition of anonymity under standard practice, sharply condemned the reports as “part of the malicious campaign to malign the spy organization” and said the ISI would “continue to eradicate the menace of terrorism with or without the help of the West.” Farhatullah Babar, the spokesman for President Asif Ali Zardari of Pakistan, dismissed the reports and said that Pakistan remained “a part of a strategic alliance of the United States in the fight against terrorism.” While Pakistani officials protested, a spokesman for the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, said that Mr. Karzai was not upset by the documents and did not believe the picture they painted was unfair. Speaking after a news conference in Kabul, Mr. Karzai’s spokesman, Waheed Omar, was asked whether there was anything in the leaked documents that angered Mr. Karzai or that he thought unfair. “No, I don’t think so,” Mr. Omar said. The disclosures, with their detailed account of a war faring even more poorly than two administrations had portrayed, landed at a crucial moment. Because of difficulties on the ground and mounting casualties in the war, the debate over the American presence in Afghanistan has begun earlier than expected. Inside the administration, more officials are privately questioning the policy. In Congress, House leaders were rushing to hold a vote on a critical war-financing bill as early as Tuesday, fearing that the disclosures could stoke Democratic opposition to the measure. A Senate panel is also set to hold a hearing on Tuesday on Mr. Obama’s choice to head the military’s Central Command, Gen. James N. Mattis, who would oversee military operations in Afghanistan. Administration officials acknowledged that the documents, released on the Internet by an organization called WikiLeaks, will make it harder for Mr. Obama as he tries to hang on to public and Congressional support until the end of the year, when he has scheduled a review of the war effort. “We don’t know how to react,” one frustrated administration official said on Monday. “This obviously puts Congress and the public in a bad mood.” Mr. Obama is facing a tough choice: he must either figure out a way to convince Congress and the American people that his war strategy remains on track and is seeing fruit — a harder sell given that the war is lagging — or move more quickly to a far more limited American presence. As the debate over the war begins anew, administration officials have been striking tones similar to the Bush administration’s to argue for continuing the current Afghanistan strategy, which calls for a significant troop buildup. Richard C. Holbrooke, Mr. Obama’s special representative to Afghanistan and Pakistan, said the Afghan war effort came down to a matter of American national security, in testimony before the Foreign Relations Committee two weeks ago. The White House press secretary, Robert Gibbs, struck a similar note on Monday in responding to the documents, which WikiLeaks made accessible to The New York Times, the British newspaper The Guardian and the German magazine Der Spiegel. “We are in this region of the world because of what happened on 9/11,” Mr. Gibbs said. “Ensuring that there is not a safe haven in Afghanistan by which attacks against this country and countries around the world can be planned. That’s why we’re there, and that’s why we’re going to continue to make progress on this relationship.” Several administration officials privately expressed hope that they might be able to use the leaks, and their description of a sometimes duplicitous Pakistani ally, to pressure the government of Pakistan to cooperate more fully with the United States on counterterrorism. The documents seem to lay out rich new details of connections between the Taliban and other militant groups and Pakistan’s main spy agency, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI. Three administration officials separately expressed hope that they might be able to use the documents to gain leverage in efforts to get more help from Pakistan. Two of them raised the possibility of warning the Pakistanis that Congressional anger might threaten American aid. “This is now out in the open,” a senior administration official said. “It’ s reality now. In some ways, it makes it easier for us to tell the Pakistanis that they have to help us.” But much of the pushback from the White House over the past two days has been to stress that the connection between the ISI and the Taliban was well known. “I don’t think that what is being reported hasn’t in many ways been publicly discussed, either by you all or by representatives of the U.S. government, for quite some time,” Mr. Gibbs said during a briefing on Monday. While agreeing that the disclosures were not altogether new, some leading Democrats said that the new details underscored deep suspicions they have harbored toward the ISI. “Some of these documents reinforce a longstanding concern of mine about the supporting role of some Pakistani officials in the Afghan insurgency,” said Senator Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat who heads the Armed Services Committee. During a visit to Pakistan this month, Mr. Levin, who has largely supported the war, said he confronted senior Pakistani leaders about the ISI’ s continuing ties to the militant groups. And others said that the documents should serve as an impetus to correct deficiencies in strategy. “Those policies are at a critical stage, and these documents may very well underscore the stakes and make the calibrations needed to get the policy right more urgent,” said Senator John Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat who is the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee and has been an influential supporter of the war. The White House appeared to be focusing some of its ire toward Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks.org, the Web site that provided access to about 92,000 secret military reports spanning the period from January 2004 through December 2009. White House officials e-mailed reporters select transcripts of an interview Mr. Assange conducted with Der Spiegel, underlining the quotations the White House apparently found most offensive. Among them was Mr. Assange’s assertion, “I enjoy crushing bastards.” At a news conference in London on Monday, Mr. Assange defended the release of the documents. “I’d like to see this material taken seriously and investigated, and new policies, if not prosecutions, result from it,” he said. The Times and the two other news organizations agreed not to disclose anything that was likely to put lives at risk or jeopardize military or antiterrorist operations, and The Times redacted the names of Afghan informants and other delicate information from the documents it published. WikiLeaks said it withheld posting about 15,000 documents for the same reason. Pakistan strongly denied suggestions that its military spy service has guided the Afghan insurgency. A senior ISI official, speaking on the condition of anonymity under standard practice, sharply condemned the reports as “part of the malicious campaign to malign the spy organization” and said the ISI would “continue to eradicate the menace of terrorism with or without the help of the West.” Farhatullah Babar, the spokesman for President Asif Ali Zardari of Pakistan, dismissed the reports and said that Pakistan remained “a part of a strategic alliance of the United States in the fight against terrorism.” While Pakistani officials protested, a spokesman for the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, said that Mr. Karzai was not upset by the documents and did not believe the picture they painted was unfair. Speaking after a news conference in Kabul, Mr. Karzai’s spokesman, Waheed Omar, was asked whether there was anything in the leaked documents that angered Mr. Karzai or that he thought unfair. “No, I don’t think so,” Mr. Omar said. -------------------- 個人評論: 兩天前,美國的阿富汗戰情機密文件約有三萬筆資料洩漏出去,由維基組織散播給 紐約時報、英國衛報及德國明鏡周刊,瞬間造成國際轟動。這些機密文件不但包括聯合 國軍隊不為人知的暗殺行動,也有巴基斯坦與塔利班的私下串連,更駭人聽聞的是維和 部隊射殺平民,使得以美國為首的阿富汗軍事行動受到嚴厲指責。個人歸納此事將對美 國造成三大影響:第一,歐巴馬的軍事策略將會更受到國會與共和黨的制衡,甚至影響 到阿富汗的撤軍計畫,一但此時得不到國會批准的預算,美軍在阿富汗的行動就會更形 膠著狀態。第二,巴基斯坦政府必須更配合美國的軍事策略,因為其智庫與軍事團體被 批露與塔利班組織勾結,並意圖煽動阿富汗的叛亂,這對剛成為美國盟邦的巴基斯坦有 著極為不利的影響。第三,聯軍將更難要求阿富汗政府改善貪腐情況,因為秘密文件的 內容根本是曝光聯軍的缺點,阿富汗總統不會放棄這個機會反向操縱西方政府,使其配 合自己的政權鞏固。這批秘密文件尚有15000筆資料未曝光,一般認為這是更為驚悚的 秘密情報,而這將如何影響阿富汗戰事,仍須繼續觀察。 -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 115.165.237.72

07/28 08:37, , 1F
<--- 個人預測 歐巴馬想利用放此消息來撤出阿富汗
07/28 08:37, 1F

07/28 09:09, , 2F
最近在風頭上 應該會各種陰謀論滿天飛
07/28 09:09, 2F

07/28 09:16, , 3F
我猜歐巴馬想改去打巴基斯坦
07/28 09:16, 3F

07/28 13:24, , 4F
打伊朗不好嗎
07/28 13:24, 4F

07/28 19:21, , 5F
阿富汗才剛發現有礦產 美軍撤走不就讓給了中國?
07/28 19:21, 5F

07/29 00:23, , 6F
內文似乎有重複?
07/29 00:23, 6F

07/29 00:43, , 7F
阿富汗發現資源會變更棘手吧?
07/29 00:43, 7F

07/29 00:44, , 8F
這樣塔利班更有本錢擺資態 甚至靠這獲取利益
07/29 00:44, 8F

07/29 00:44, , 9F
總之 美國大選快到 各種動作都很難說
07/29 00:44, 9F

07/29 01:03, , 10F
開採礦藏的技術門檻得引進外資 塔利班沒這麼威去挖吧...
07/29 01:03, 10F

07/29 01:06, , 11F
靠著目前罌粟花的收入貢獻不是就很穩定嗎
07/29 01:06, 11F

07/29 01:14, , 12F
又礦藏的消息也是直得玩味的 >#1C6IfEyO
07/29 01:14, 12F

07/29 01:15, , 13F
美軍加碼 or 撤出 Dotch?
07/29 01:15, 13F

07/29 01:21, , 14F
個人覺得還是得觀察原PO提出的三方面後續發展會比較好
07/29 01:21, 14F

07/29 01:36, , 15F
阿富汗情勢要穩定的話也是要看這三者的合作關係穩定與否
07/29 01:36, 15F

07/29 01:45, , 16F
我有問你的意見嗎
07/29 01:45, 16F

07/29 01:58, , 17F
真是抱歉 讓樓上誤會了0rz...
07/29 01:58, 17F

07/29 02:09, , 18F
下次不要這樣了
07/29 02:09, 18F

07/29 03:54, , 19F
嗆板主 可以水桶了...
07/29 03:54, 19F

07/29 08:35, , 20F
不是九萬筆嗎?還是實際披露的只有三萬筆?
07/29 08:35, 20F

07/29 08:53, , 21F
好心回答還被嗆 天阿
07/29 08:53, 21F

07/29 09:28, , 22F
版主顯然沒有必要向這種人道歉
07/29 09:28, 22F

07/29 10:07, , 23F
這跟你誰啊亂公告有異曲同工之妙....我笑了
07/29 10:07, 23F

07/29 10:14, , 24F
的確是9萬多筆資料,筆誤抱歉。另外我覺得版主實在不需道歉
07/29 10:14, 24F

07/29 10:29, , 25F
話說... 那些影片我看不出對美軍有哪裡不利.
07/29 10:29, 25F

07/29 10:29, , 26F
有可能是美軍自己故意流出的.
07/29 10:29, 26F

07/29 15:52, , 27F
他們自己想回家了!?
07/29 15:52, 27F

07/31 22:47, , 28F
某樓有病啊....
07/31 22:47, 28F
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