[新聞] 台灣的F-35訂單挑戰川習關係消失

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Bloomberg https://goo.gl/oHpt1F Taiwan's Pursuit of F-35s Tests Trump's Early Rapport With Xi Taiwan’s push to include F-35 fighter jets in its first arms deal with President Donald Trump could pose the next challenge to the diplomatic detente between the new U.S. leader and his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping. 台灣推動川普任內第一次的軍購案包含採購F-35戰鬥機,挑戰美中關係。 Taiwan, which has for decades relied on U.S. security aid to deter any attack by China, plans to add the Lockheed Martin Corp. aircraft to a weapons purchase list due to be submitted as soon as July. At the same time, the island intends to drop a longstanding request for more advanced F-16s to replace its aging fleet that the U.S. hasn’t approved, according to Wang Ting-yu, head of the Taiwanese legislature’s Foreign and National Defense Committee. 台灣數十年來依賴美國的防衛支援以嚇阻來自中國的任何攻擊,其預計在七月提交軍購訂 單,其中包含洛克希爾馬汀公司的戰機與武器,與此同時,台灣預計放棄等待許久但美國 未批准的F-16戰鬥機群。立法院國防委員會立法委員王定宇表示。 “We hope we can get F-35s,” Wang told Bloomberg News. “We have been waiting for updated F-16s for too long. Their time has gone. If we buy them now, in 10 years time they’ll be no use.” 我們希望可以取得F-35,我們等待F-16升級等太久,F-16的時代已經過去,我們要是買了 ,十年內就沒用惹。 Taiwan’s pursuit of one of the world’s most advanced fighter jets would pit Trump’s goal of boosting exports against his effort to foster cooperation with Xi since their first meeting earlier this month. U.S. arms sales to Taiwan have been a persistent irritant to China, which views the island as its territory and reserves the right to attack should Taipei move to formalize its de facto independence. 台灣購買世界最先進的戰鬥機將會讓川普陷於兩難-促進出口或是衝擊本月才見面的川習 關係,美國長年以來的對台軍售都讓中國很不開心,中國把台灣當成他的領土,且保留當 台灣改變現況走向獨立時攻擊的權力。 Su Hao, an international relations professor at China Foreign Affairs University, which is affiliated with the country’s foreign ministry, said any F-35 sale would represent a “very problematic” upgrade to Taiwan’s military relationship with the U.S. He predicted that Trump was more likely to use it as a bargaining chip than approve it. Su Hao(某個中國教授)表示F-35的軍售將會是台美軍事關係的大問題,他估計川普可能 會把這件事當成籌碼而不直接批准。 “An actual sale would cause a serious setback in bilateral ties, which are just returning to a normal track after the summit in Florida,” Su said. “It would become a huge challenge for both leaders to handle were the sale to take place. Beijing would oppose it without reservation.” 實際軍售將會對中美關係造成衝擊,北京會毫不保留的反對。 Taiwan often doesn’t get everything it asks for, particularly when the weaponry would anger China. No U.S. president has agreed to sell advanced fighter jets to Taiwan since George H.W. Bush in 1992. China suspended military talks with the U.S. in 2010 after President Barack Obama’s administration announced a $6.4 billion arms sale -- and that deal that didn’ t include the new F-16s Taiwan wanted. 台灣不常拿到清單上的所有東西,特別是會激怒中國的武器,1992年布希政府以後沒有再 批准售台先進戰鬥機,中國在2010年歐巴馬政府批准對台軍售後停止對美國的軍事對話。 這個軍售案甚至不包含台灣需要的F-16戰鬥機。 Trump-Tsai Call Obama eventually agreed in 2011 to upgrade Taiwan’s existing fleet of about 140 F-16s. Tensions have only increased since then, with last year’s election of Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen -- the leader of a pro-independence party -- and Trump’s decision to flout decades of U.S. diplomatic policy and speak with her by phone in December. A U.S. State Department official who asked not to be identified said that defense sales under the Taiwan Relations Act of 1979 were based on an assessment of Taiwan’s defense needs. The agency doesn’t comment on proposed defense sales until Congress has been notified, the official said. Taiwan wants the F-35B variant of the stealth warplane, which was designed for the U.S. Marines and can takeoff from short surfaces and land vertically. The fighter jet, which has also been ordered by Italy and the U.K., could help Taiwan maintain air defense should any Chinese missile attack destroy its runways. “We will submit our request to the U.S. to purchase jets in July,” said Wang, who’s a member of Tsai’s Democratic Progressive Party. “We hope the U.S. understands our needs. Our fighter jets really are too old.” Besides diplomatic considerations, there are questions about whether Taiwan could afford the F-35 or whether the warplane would provide the most effective defense. A price tag of about $100 million each would quickly drain the $2.2 billion Taiwan has set aside for hardware purchases this year. 每架1億美金的價格很快就會燒光台灣22億美金的硬體採購預算。 Rand Corporation report published last year highlighted China’s growing aerial advantage and recommended that Taiwan downsized its fighter fleet in favor of stronger surface-to-air missile defenses. Retired Major General Xu Guangyu, a senior researcher at the Beijing-based China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, said acquiring enough F-35s would take Taiwan too long to make a difference. By that time, China’s own next-generation fighters -- the J-20 and J-31 -- should be in widespread use, Xu said. “It suits Taiwan’s geography and it would also please the Americans, because that’s their main export fighter jet,” he said. “It’d be too late to tip the balance.” 5.備註: 好煩喔不想翻了,大概就是這樣。 自己國家要提昇國防一堆人在酸,完全不懂這種心態到底是想要國家變成怎樣。 不過這也是正常發揮,ㄏㄏ -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 140.113.224.39 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Gossiping/M.1493275459.A.9FF.html

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國庫沒錢 一台都買不起
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就算真的給賣 買的起嗎? ㄏㄏ
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#很好
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前瞻8800億,蔡英文最愛舉債建設了
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F-35那故障率...
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前瞻都開廖廖了,哪有錢買
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F-16V就夠了 美帝也延壽國內F-16
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幻象要除役了沒
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04/27 14:48, , 9F
歐巴馬對台灣人很不友善
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綠畜黨買阿 反正8000億都可以隨便審查了
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如果是勝文當總統.機殼重新烤漆噴上F-40 領先全球 YA
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把錢留給軍公教好嗎,尊嚴放哪去了
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F-35故障率高,台灣潮濕多雨,一定更慘
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把研發出資國當白癡嗎?
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04/27 14:50, , 15F
沒出錢還想先拿貨
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04/27 14:51, , 16F
我們連研發出資都沒有,先拿到絕對被各國圍剿XD
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04/27 14:52, , 17F
內文沒提到半個關於錢的 上面一堆在說錢的是?
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樓上軍盲,https://goo.gl/z32JNq,這叫故障率高XDDD
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※ 編輯: sincos5566 (140.113.224.39), 04/27/2017 14:54:55

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我指kingrichman
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04/27 14:56, , 20F
能買到是好事,但重要的是能夠因此提升國內的產業鏈及能力
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,才是長遠之計
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不過現在可以買F35,感覺像在當分母,降低成本用的
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每架1億鎂是給美軍的空機價,台灣請參考韓國F-35A每
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架1.8億鎂
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※ 編輯: sincos5566 (140.113.224.39), 04/27/2017 15:06:14

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F-35有3000架訂單,台灣當不當分母差異不大
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拿軍演新聞來說,會不會太可笑,那根本是莒光園地
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你先去了解什麼是紅旗軍演再來嘴吧
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$沾
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什么都靠米國 可以死一死了
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美國人都知道的事,台灣人不知還說人軍盲 XD
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F-16有沒有參加過軍演,結果會不會故障?
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台灣潮濕多雨,連F-16都很難照顧,更不用論天之驕子
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F-35
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台灣在潮濕能比海上潮濕嗎?
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F-35現在還在IOC階段尚未正式服役,就能在紅旗創造出
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20比1的交換比
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夏天你在海邊會感覺很潮濕嗎?
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戰機飛出去就要在雲層中穿來穿去 潮濕易壞不就摔好幾架?
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F-35故障問題,要等買了才知道,先看買多少錢吧
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在CVN或LHD上能不潮濕!?
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F-35那幾乎都是軟體上的小問題,不足以為懼
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只能講從過去台灣F-16經驗來看,F-35不樂觀
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人家還是LRIP,研發中!!!!!
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很多武器和機動都有限制
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