Re: On cooperative work [Was: Re: newbus' ivar's limitation..]

On Aug 1, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:

> Hi,
>=20
> On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 4:06 PM, Adrian Chadd <adrian@freebsd.org> =
wrote:
>> Any interested party is very welcome to approach a developer and get
>> added to the developer summits. Plenty of the people at the most
>> recent developer summit weren't @freebsd.org committers - we had
>> plenty of representation from companies using FreeBSD.
>>=20
>> If you want to participate, just ask a friendly developer who is =
going
>> to the developer summit to sponsor you in going. You're pleasant in
>> person, so I'd have no problem sponsoring you if I am going to an
>> event. :)
>>=20
> I have a very deep, quasi-philosophical, trouble/problem with that
> whole idea of sponsor-requirement to attend a such meeting. There is
> just something which does not feel right about it. =46rom my point of
> view, this is a matter of common sense, focus is gonna be very narrow
> and deeply technical. Attendee should go there only if they think they
> will give positive feedback. As for myself, I would not attend a
> developer meeting on the fiber-channel over infiniband optimization,
> but would attend a developer meeting on next-generation mbuf.
>=20
> Now, maybe I'll just push the door of some developer meeting I'd be
> interested in during next BSDCan, and see what happen :-) The outcome
> might be interesting to study in a social interaction, prisoner
> dilemma related, point-of-view.

Given how ridiculously easy it is to get a proper invite, there's not =
need to be a jerk just to prove an obscure philosophical point about =
attendance.  There's plenty of time to do that over the technical points =
being discussed.

Warner

> - Arnaud
>=20
>> And/or, work with warner to get improvements into the tree and =
someone
>> will sponsor a commit bit for you.
>>=20
>> Perhaps we as developers should more openly publish the results of
>> developer summits. But as I said, they're not "closed" - they're just
>> "invite only for non-developers." We're not going to exclude anyone
>> from coming unless they really ARE going to just sit there and troll.
>> You're motivated, you're enthusiastic and you want to see things
>> change for the better. You're also not confrontational in person. I
>> have no problem with you coming along.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Adrian
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