[文法] 辭典中的if all of it will not fit

看板Eng-Class作者 (QQ)時間6年前 (2018/03/27 19:32), 6年前編輯推噓4(4014)
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各位好,請教一下 在韋氏高階雙解辭典看到這樣的說明: "Dots" within headwords show the places where you can break a word and add a hyphen if all of it will not fit at the end of a line of print or writing. 附圖https://i.imgur.com/DyoRgAL.jpg
-------- 想請教if子句用will的寫法。查了一下PEU 3rd. 260 1) results We use "will" with "if" to talk about what will happen because of possible future actions - to mean 'if this will be the later result'. Compare: - I'll give you £100 if I win the lottery. (Winning the lottery is a condition - it must happen first.) I'll give you £100 if it'll help you to go on holiday. (The holiday is a result - it follows the gift of money.) - We'll go home now if you get the car. (condition) We'll go home now if it will make you feel better. (result) --------- 2) 'If it is true now that .. .' We use "will" with "if" when we are saying 'if it is true now that .. .' or 'if we know now that ...'.例句: If Ann won't be here on Thursday, we'd better cancel the meeting. If prices will really come down in a few months, I'm not going to buy one now. ========== 這兩種解釋中,我認為應該第二個比較符合。因為第一個的if子句用will是表示結果, 也就是比較後面發生的。然而以韋氏那一句來說: ... you can break a word and add a hyphen if all of it will not fit at the end of a line of print or writing. 意思應該是,如果字放不下,你可以切字並加上連字號。(我認為all of it的it代替 a word。)因此if all of it will not fit at the end...是表示原因,是先發生的, 不符合PEU的第一種解釋。 詢問於英語論壇https://goo.gl/QfNF8g 網友J&K Tutoring卻認為: The dictionary author cannot know about your margins or how your words might fill the space, as your writing comes later. Hence, the use of if/will looking to a possible future. To simplify the sentence: "...break if it will (not) fit..." Actually, 260.1 fits your example better: "...what will happen because of possible future action..." 我回應: But I would think that "if all of it will not fit ..." happens first, and that "you can break a word and add a hyphen" second. 他說: Your writing is in an unknown future, but the result is static- it's the same; past, present, and future. It's a general statement that applies at any time, so present tense is used. (我不太懂他這個回應想表達什麼?) 我又補充: I would think it is the following: ... you can break a word and add a hyphen if all of it (= a word) will not fit at the end of a line of print or writing. ... you can break a word and add a hyphen if all of it (= a word) does not fit at the end of a line of print or writing. Is anything wrong? Could you tell me? 他回覆: Both of your examples mean more or less the same, but I prefer "will not fit". -------- 這我就不懂了,既然他認同我最後的說法,原句可以改寫為 ... you can break a word and add a hyphen if all of it (= a word) does not fit at the end of a line of print or writing. 那這樣不是很明顯是if子句發生在前嗎?怎麼會符合PEU的第一種解釋呢? 請教各位了,謝謝! -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 1.169.78.250 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Eng-Class/M.1522150325.A.1B6.html

03/27 20:18, 6年前 , 1F
我想是回應網友誤解260.1的意思了,應該是"if/will用在相
03/27 20:18, 1F

03/27 20:18, 6年前 , 2F
對於另一子句(寫連字號)的未來",但他想成了"相對於現在(
03/27 20:18, 2F

03/27 20:18, 6年前 , 3F
看字典)的未來",所以回你是260.1
03/27 20:18, 3F

03/27 20:18, 6年前 , 4F
你再問可是"連字號"應該是"塞不下"的未來,他這時以為你
03/27 20:18, 4F

03/27 20:18, 6年前 , 5F
問的是"這句更未來怎沒用will",所以解說為什麼用現在式
03/27 20:18, 5F

03/27 20:18, 6年前 , 6F
總之我覺得是2的解釋比較對
03/27 20:18, 6F
kb大您好,感謝您解釋,後半段我懂了,可是前半段我不懂,韋氏辭典解釋裡, if/will應該是相對於另一子句(寫連字號)的「過去」才對吧? (先「放不下」,才「寫連字號」) --- 還是說您想表達的是,如果照260.1來看,if/will應該是相對於另一子句(寫連字號)的 「未來」?(但事實上這樣的意思說不通) ※ 編輯: scju (1.169.78.250), 03/27/2018 20:48:40

03/27 21:54, 6年前 , 7F
後者,我上文第一行“應該是”指的是260.1的內容,但因為
03/27 21:54, 7F

03/27 21:54, 6年前 , 8F
不通我才覺得不是
03/27 21:54, 8F

03/28 09:55, 6年前 , 9F
"will not fit"這個will是PEU 260.2的情況,先發生,表條件
03/28 09:55, 9F

03/28 09:57, 6年前 , 10F
will/does not fit都可,will稍自然一些,是will表未來意志
03/28 09:57, 10F

03/28 09:58, 6年前 , 11F
但套用在無生命東西(word)的譬喻用法,很常見啊
03/28 09:58, 11F
感謝回應!不過我想應該不是表示意志,就是260.2的意思而已。 因為260.5有講表示意志的用法,看起並不相同。 https://i.imgur.com/LVMP94M.png
更新: 網友Raymott說 To me, 'will' does not indicate futurity, so the rule doesn't apply. "If the words won't fit ..." means "If the words don't fit ...". Compare: "I keep trying, but the car just won't start." That is not a statement about the future, but about the recent past and present. 我又問網友jutfrank,他說認同Raymott,並且認為既不是260.1,也不是260.2 真奇怪了... ※ 編輯: scju (114.25.216.107), 03/28/2018 15:15:18

03/28 15:22, 6年前 , 12F
PEU是很實用的書,缺點在於篇幅不是最大,所以它也無法羅列
03/28 15:22, 12F

03/28 15:22, 6年前 , 13F
所有有關will意志/意願的情況,導致你認爲所有有關意志的
03/28 15:22, 13F

03/28 15:23, 6年前 , 14F
只限於260.5那一點點的描述和例句,誤以爲它只用在客氣的請
03/28 15:23, 14F

03/28 15:27, 6年前 , 15F
求,沒有其他狀況,包括will not fit,這樣獨重一本書並不好
03/28 15:27, 15F

03/28 15:31, 6年前 , 16F
建議查查像the car won't start這種例子,和the word won't
03/28 15:31, 16F

03/28 15:32, 6年前 , 17F
fit是同一個will的用法,看看其他地方/書如何解釋這個will,
03/28 15:32, 17F

03/28 15:35, 6年前 , 18F
或許就會發現PEU在這點上並不詳盡
03/28 15:35, 18F
好的,感謝!所以您認為是260.2+表示「意志」的意思嗎? (260.3我沒附上,因為就是講if當名詞子句、當動詞受詞時可用未來式 ,這種情況蠻好辨認的) (更新) 英語討論區那邊有新的內容,有興趣的朋友可移駕。 ※ 編輯: scju (114.25.216.107), 03/29/2018 23:53:02
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